Poll: Paedophile sentenced to be beheaded then crucified

[Doctor Glocktor]

a prison sentence is just another form of eye for an eye

No it isn't.
The point of a prison sentence is to keep the offender off of the streets until they rehabilitated.
Or, at least, it ought to be.

See, the thing is, when you've raped 5 people, you're likely not going to rehabilitate. Not to mention, in most cases, you're getting a life sentence. Just accelerate the whole process, torture him to death over a week, cost a lot less money then feeding him for years.

And what if he's innocent? Even the fairest judicial system will sometimes make mistakes. People have been released only days from their execution.
Life imprisonment keeps the guy away from society and allows mistakes to be rectified if they are found later.

I'll agree with that to a point. But there's several cases with DNA evidence and such. Our police force is only getting better and better at this sort of thing. Yes, sometimes there's mistakes. But if you've got witnesses, dna, etc. Then why not?

Because you can never be 100% sure.
DNA is fallible, and people misunderstand just how fallible it is. (There was an article about it in last week's New Scientist even.)
Witnesses, again, are extremely fallible, it's even possible for someone to convince themselves that they committed the crime and even fabricate their own memories of doing it when, in fact, they're completely innocent.

Why are you so keen to remove a life, when life imprisonment is just as an effective protection of society and, in many ways, a worse punishment?

Worse in what way? He gets a safe place to live, free food and medical care for the rest of his worthless life.

OHMYGOD I thought I was the only person who thought jail was a pussy punishment. You sir, are AWESOME.

 

[yeliw]

ITT: Discover who is emotionally mature and who lacks any concept of empathy or compassion whatsoever.

 

[yeliw]

a prison sentence is just another form of eye for an eye

No it isn't.
The point of a prison sentence is to keep the offender off of the streets until they rehabilitated.
Or, at least, it ought to be.

See, the thing is, when you've raped 5 people, you're likely not going to rehabilitate. Not to mention, in most cases, you're getting a life sentence. Just accelerate the whole process, torture him to death over a week, cost a lot less money then feeding him for years.

And what if he's innocent? Even the fairest judicial system will sometimes make mistakes. People have been released only days from their execution.
Life imprisonment keeps the guy away from society and allows mistakes to be rectified if they are found later.

I'll agree with that to a point. But there's several cases with DNA evidence and such. Our police force is only getting better and better at this sort of thing. Yes, sometimes there's mistakes. But if you've got witnesses, dna, etc. Then why not?

Because you can never be 100% sure.
DNA is fallible, and people misunderstand just how fallible it is. (There was an article about it in last week's New Scientist even.)
Witnesses, again, are extremely fallible, it's even possible for someone to convince themselves that they committed the crime and even fabricate their own memories of doing it when, in fact, they're completely innocent.

Why are you so keen to remove a life, when life imprisonment is just as an effective protection of society and, in many ways, a worse punishment?

Worse in what way? He gets a safe place to live, free food and medical care for the rest of his worthless life.

OHMYGOD I thought I was the only person who thought jail was a pussy punishment. You sir, are AWESOME.

Evidently none of you have been to jail.

 

[Del-Toro]

The guy raped 5 children, I've seen someone go on about how we should "treat" this man. Something tells me the Saudis sense of justice is more based on rage over the actions of the perpetrators then from the west's well meaning but, I find, misguided focus on compassion for criminals. To me this just seems like a case where the Saudis have the right idea. Besides, the Saudis probably don't have our justice averting "treatments" and it's not like the west should swoop in and rescue the pervert.

Besides, their culture, their country, their rules, their laws, deal with it.

 

[danosaurus]

Just quietly though, if I had a child and someone raped him//her I would take the law into my own hands, Rorschach style.

as a liberal I have no problem with that,


however I do have a problem with giving the government the power to kill people, Honestly I don't get republican's who want the govenement to kill people for them. They think the government isn't reponsible enough to give people basic healthcare however they think the govenment should have the power to kill people and have a massive army?

In the ned if you want to personaly kill someone who wrong you, im fine with that, However if you want the government to do it for you then you instantly lost respect with me.

I'll give you a bacon and egg roll to kill the man who invented crocs.

 

[Maze1125]

The guy raped 5 children,

That has not been proven.

 

[danosaurus]

Besides, their culture, their country, their rules, their laws, deal with it.

I was going to prattle on to a few people here about the 'rage' thing but THIS quote here ends the topic.

 

[jboking]

On my moral Hierarchy autonomy ranks far above the value of life. He chose to rape 5 children, the punishment(in my opinion) fits. Well, it fits more than letting him go does.

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

ITT: Discover who is emotionally mature and who lacks any concept of empathy or compassion whatsoever.

Empathy belongs to people who need it.

Rapists and pedophiles need to die, so they can't infect and stain what is humanity. Call me evil, inhumane, whatever, is it so much to want a world where people can feel and be safe?

 

[data_not_found]

I say let Ellen Page lose on him. Those that have seen Hard Candy will know why.

 

[Sindaine]

a prison sentence is just another form of eye for an eye

No it isn't.
The point of a prison sentence is to keep the offender off of the streets until they rehabilitated.
Or, at least, it ought to be.

See, the thing is, when you've raped 5 people, you're likely not going to rehabilitate. Not to mention, in most cases, you're getting a life sentence. Just accelerate the whole process, torture him to death over a week, cost a lot less money then feeding him for years.

And what if he's innocent? Even the fairest judicial system will sometimes make mistakes. People have been released only days from their execution.
Life imprisonment keeps the guy away from society and allows mistakes to be rectified if they are found later.

I'll agree with that to a point. But there's several cases with DNA evidence and such. Our police force is only getting better and better at this sort of thing. Yes, sometimes there's mistakes. But if you've got witnesses, dna, etc. Then why not?

Because you can never be 100% sure.
DNA is fallible, and people misunderstand just how fallible it is. (There was an article about it in last week's New Scientist even.)
Witnesses, again, are extremely fallible, it's even possible for someone to convince themselves that they committed the crime and even fabricate their own memories of doing it when, in fact, they're completely innocent.

Why are you so keen to remove a life, when life imprisonment is just as an effective protection of society and, in many ways, a worse punishment?

Worse in what way? He gets a safe place to live, free food and medical care for the rest of his worthless life.

OHMYGOD I thought I was the only person who thought jail was a pussy punishment. You sir, are AWESOME.

Evidently none of you have been to jail.

Miss, actually. I'm a she. And why does it matter if I've been to jail or not? It's all the same thing.

 

[Xshu]

Humanity didn't crawl out of the dirt to be brought down by such barbaric attitudes.

Yeah, I've got to disagree with you there. Humanity never crawled out of the dirt. It's still very much in the dirt, it just made the dirt look like a nicer place than it really is.

An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

How is this an eye for an eye? They didn't rape and kill six of his children out of spite, they killed him. This is more like shooting-you-in-the-face for an eye. And really, if you stab a guy's eye out you're just asking to be shot in the face.

The most us humans have done was screw up the world, exploit, destroy, and bastardize. It could even be argued that animals have more of a reason to exist then us. At least without us humans the world wouldn't be in it's horrible shape as it is today.

Oh, so Mother Nature needs us to back off? "Well maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys! Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing?" If the world wasn't such a hard place to live in, we wouldn't have started trying to make life easier. Our planet is a terrible place, and we fought back and made it our ***** after years of dealing with storms and earthquakes and bullshit plagues. Now it's dying because we were a little hard on it? Fine. Let it die and Robocop it. Given enough time we can probably make machines to replace everything on the Earth. Green is an ugly colour anyways. Then when we drain it of everything we want we can bail out and terraform new planets. With blackjack. And hookers. Okay, I'm done white-whaling the planet now.

Because when you're too lazy to find the actual source of the problem, frenzied retribution makes everyone feel better.

Sometimes it's easier to cut a tree down than dig it out.

Why are you so keen to remove a life, when life imprisonment is just as an effective protection of society and, in many ways, a worse punishment?

Because it costs resources to keep these people alive. Who likes knowing that their tax dollars are going to feeding murderers, thieves, and rapists?

More on topic, I agree. Pedophiles, especially those who kill their victims, deserve no rights.

I feel I should note that PAEDOPHILIA IS NOT THE NAME OF THE CRIME. Being a paedophile is not the same thing as being a child rapist or a child molester or anything like that, and they should still have rights (although saying that out loud leaves a bad taste in my mouth). Paedophilia just means a person is sexually attracted to small children. While this is quite disgusting, they're not actually doing any harm as long as they can control themselves. A paedophile who tries to seek help and fight his horrid urges should be applauded...as long as he succeeds.

 

[Del-Toro]

The guy raped 5 children,

That has not been proven.

As far as they are concerned it has been, and in that legal system, that is more than enough.

 

[Julianking93]

How exactly does that make them better than the pedo or do anyone justice?

That's just cruel and they're just as fucked up if not more.

Yes, rape is bad and when it has something to do with children, its worse (by social standards. Its all the same to me.) but killing someone and putting it up for display? Thats just fucked.

Um..it's saying "IF YOU RAPE AND LEAVE CHILDREN FOR DEAD, WE WILL KILL YOU?" Sounds like a good message to send honestly.

It makes them better then the pedo b/c.. THEY AREN'T RAPING CHILDREN!

There is NEVER an excuse for child abuse.. ever. Not mental illness. Not genetic issues. Not having an abusive childhood themselves. NOTHING. There is no rehab, no surgery, no therapy that can cure a pedo. All pedos should all die the most horrible way possible.


SIDE NOTE:
It's funny, Muslims are protected when they won't let female school children out of a freakin BURNING BUILDING b/c they aren't covered according to Sharia law, but people get all pissy when they do something right for a change. Beheading is too good for this guy... cut of his penis first...then behead him.

There is [b/]NEVER[/b] an excuse for murder.

Yes, I get that its rape and attempted murder (I guess that's what leaving someone for dead is classified as) but beheading someone and curcifie them in public? That whole goddamn place is fucked up.

I am one of those people who's against the death penalty so this is completely over what I think is morally right. That being said, my reason for being against the death penalty has been considered wrong.

I think that they should just spend the rest of their life in prison. Let [i/]them[/i] rot. Let [i/]them[/i] be raped in jail. They'll spend the rest of their years suffering.

 

[Korolev]

Beheaded THEN crucified? Why bother? He's lost his head, he's not going to feel anything. Maybe if he was crucified FIRST and THEN beheaded, they'd be at least a reason.

But seriously, I do not like the death penalty, merely because innocent people can be killed by the state due to all sorts of things: like police corruption, prosecutor corruption, incompetent defense, bad judges, tampered evidence and mental illness. I mean, come on, this is SAUDI ARABIA. Does anyone honestly think they have a "fair" justice system over there? For all you know this guy could be guilty of nothing and he's just being killed to get him out of the way of the royal family. Then again he could be guilty, I don't know, I haven't seen the evidence. But remember, this is saudi arabia - a dictatorship run by a corrupt family. I wouldn't trust the police to be honest any more than I'd expect the sun to not rise in the morning.

I would get rid of the death penalty - better to let 10 guilty men rot in jail than see one innocent person die.

 

[mrtenk]

HUH.

Culturally Those of us who live in first world western country's will never understand how or why Saudi Arabia's political situation is the way it is. Lets just try to think about happier things.

like teddy bears!

 

[Julianking93]

How exactly does that make them better than the pedo or do anyone justice?

That's just cruel and they're just as fucked up if not more.

Yes, rape is bad and when it has something to do with children, its worse (by social standards. Its all the same to me.) but killing someone and putting it up for display? Thats just fucked.

Um..it's saying "IF YOU RAPE AND LEAVE CHILDREN FOR DEAD, WE WILL KILL YOU?" Sounds like a good message to send honestly.

It makes them better then the pedo b/c.. THEY AREN'T RAPING CHILDREN!

There is NEVER an excuse for child abuse.. ever. Not mental illness. Not genetic issues. Not having an abusive childhood themselves. NOTHING. There is no rehab, no surgery, no therapy that can cure a pedo. All pedos should all die the most horrible way possible.


SIDE NOTE:
It's funny, Muslims are protected when they won't let female school children out of a freakin BURNING BUILDING b/c they aren't covered according to Sharia law, but people get all pissy when they do something right for a change. Beheading is too good for this guy... cut of his penis first...then behead him.

There is [b/]NEVER[/b] an excuse for murder.

Yes, I get that its rape and attempted murder (I guess that's what leaving someone for dead is classified as) but beheading someone and curcifie them in public? That whole goddamn place is fucked up.

I am one of those people who's against the death penalty so this is completely over what I think is morally right. That being said, my reason for being against the death penalty has been considered wrong.

I think that they should just spend the rest of their life in prison. Let [i/]them[/i] rot. Let [i/]them[/i] be raped in jail. They'll spend the rest of their years suffering.

Never an excuse for murder, you say? You obviously don't have kids. Because if you did, you'd know that if anything happened to them at the hands of some screwed-up pedophile, you would drastically change your opinions on murder. You don't know these childrens' (or their parents') pain, and you never will. Personally, I think the punishment is too good for him.

P.S.: OH, YES, LET'S GIVE THE PEDOPHILE FREE ROOM, BOARD, AND FOOD FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, THAT'LL TOTALLY TEACH HIM. Idiot.

No, I'm not, I'm 16. It'd be weird if I had a kid. But, unlike most teenagers, I love kids. I work at a daycare center.

That being said, I don't care what the person has done. There is never a right part in murder. Not ever.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't do it if someone hurt my parents, loved one, or child, but its still not right. It doesn't bring justice to the unjust.