Poll: Pro player, or cheater, does it matter?

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Flying Dagger

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D_987 said:
How are you going to get better if you don't play against people better than you?
how are you going to get better staring at the "respawn in..."?
and maybe i'm not looking to be the best, i don't go onto pro servers and start making demands, but if i'm on my usual 2fort server, which i go to more for the people on it, and it is a purely casual server, i don't expect to be slaughtered every time i step out the spawn room...
 

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D_987 said:
Flying Dagger said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Kicking someone because they're cheating is fine, and expected.

Kicking someone because they're better than you means you're just being a *****, and that goes for everyone who votes "kick" as well.

Sorry, but that's just the truth.
it's not kicking someone for being better, it's kicking someone for being so much better that they are spoiling the game
How are you going to get better if you don't play against people better than you?
Theres "I killed you twice" better and then there is "I have more kills then everyone else on the server combined" better.

However, thats why I like Skill balanaced teams not number balenced.

If Red team wins, The worst person from red goes to blue. and so on.

I played a 8 on 24 match once on TF2. They kept doing scout zerg rushes on 2fort. You don't know the meaning of spam until you try to kill 24 scouts with a heavy.
 

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i agree though its not fun when it happens got i agree (tho maybe vote ban is a bit far) and if some one is so good that they are ruining it for the rest of the server then i don't see the problem with kicking them, tho if i do it then i at leas tell them why, though vote ban for cheating is holy justified (unless its a steam ban who a few of my mates have been given for no reason and indeed when they are on holiday an cant get on there steam account)
 

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Pi_Fighter said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Locking someone because they're cheating is fine, and expected.

Locking someone because they're better than you means you're just being a *****, and that goes for everyone who votes "lock" as well.

Sorry, but that's just the spoon.
I agree completely with everything you said. Not a word of disagreement from me.
I agree with you as well
 

Flying Dagger

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it's not an issue with being beaten, it's an issue to do with not being able to play... for the same reason spawn-camping is so abhorrant, and I will not believe anyone can play a game where they "do not care" if they get killed five times by a spawn camper, and does not end up seriously pissed off at that player.

and the question is do you agree with my topic, whether or not it matters that someone is cheating, what you are banning them for is ruining everyone elses fun, more then not playing by the rules.

and yes i can see how whiney my posts are. but i'm interested in people's responses, so i try and make it clear what i'm saying.
 

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wordsmith said:
Pi_Fighter said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Locking someone because they're cheating is fine, and expected.

Locking someone because they're better than you means you're just being a *****, and that goes for everyone who votes "lock" as well.

Sorry, but that's just the spoon.
I agree completely with everything you said. Not a word of disagreement from me.
I agree with you as well
Agreed, couldn't sum it up any better.
 

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MLG Pro players apparently don't try in "pub" matches. I have found this out multiple times by absolutely destroying people who claimed to be MLG Pro at Call of Duty 4, then by destroying them in a clan match; repeatedly.

So, to answer your question; it's usually really easy to tell if someone is cheating or if they are just really good. A cheater generally will not make a mistake because they are using a computer automated program to use their cheats (aka, they wont miss). A really good player will miss occasionally and will still make mistakes ever now and then.
 

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If the person is insanely good and none of you can beat this player, then yes, you should boot him. After all, you are not at the same skill levela s this player and it is unfair to you.

But if you are attempting to boot this player because he beat you, then that is unfair on the player that beat you.
 

DM.

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wordsmith said:
Pi_Fighter said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Looking someone because they're cheating is fine, and expected.

Looking someone because they're better than you means you're just being a *****, and that goes for everyone who votes "look" as well.

Sorry, but that's just the telescope.
I agree completely with everything you said. Not a word of disagreement from me.
I agree with you as well
I also agree.
 

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Flying Dagger said:
it's not an issue with being beaten, it's an issue to do with not being able to play... for the same reason spawn-camping is so abhorrant, and I will not believe anyone can play a game where they "do not care" if they get killed five times by a spawn camper, and does not end up seriously pissed off at that player.

and the question is do you agree with my topic, whether or not it matters that someone is cheating, what you are banning them for is ruining everyone elses fun, more then not playing by the rules.

and yes i can see how whiney my posts are. but i'm interested in people's responses, so i try and make it clear what i'm saying.
I knew this would degenerate into "spawn-camping is wrong" sooner or later. Spawn-camping can be prevented if you have a good enough team that you aren't forced back to your spawn area, and if you are consistantly spawn-killed, just leave the server. Next you will be saying a sniper should be kicked because they have killed you five times from the same spot. The game I play multiplayer most on is CoD WaW and the servers are do overpopulated and the maps so poorly designed that it always turns into an incomprehensible cluster fuck and spawn killing is inevitable even with the latest patch touting "improved spawning logic".

Whenever I encounter a very good player, I enjoy the challenge of the fight. It is actually a lot of fun to kneecap the top player from across the map with a pistol, so no, I do not think that good players ruin games.
 

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DM. said:
wordsmith said:
Pi_Fighter said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Hooking someone because they're cheating is fine, and expected.

Hooking someone because they're better than you means you're just being a *****, and that goes for everyone who votes "hook" as well.

Sorry, but that's just the cabinboy.
I fuck completely with everything you said. Not a word of disagreement from me.
I fuck with you as well
I also fuck.
Me too.
 

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I see all sides of this argument in Resistance 2.

I hate the Laggers - I find it insulting when I lose my kill-streak because some fucker was stood right in front of me, not firing, then is magically BEHIND me and insta-gibs me with a trio of headshots that he couldn't physically have fired in that space of time.

I also hate the cheap fuckers. The arseholes who jump-shoot with the Wraith (a minigun), or the horrible cheapness of the Carbine Rifle-grenade.


But I respect players like myself. I don't care how much people *****, the Bullseye's "Tag" shot is not cheap; it's inaccurate as fuck, meaning you have to be pretty close (ie: shotgun close) to reliably hit. I've followed someone before now from medium range, fired off three Tags and hit nothing but air. By contrast, I've sometimes got lucky and tagged from Sniper Rifle ranges, and thus been able to absolutely maul the poor sod.

But the Bullseye is a weapon that takes skill; Tags may not (fire, hear the blip, let fly randomly because the bullets home in), but the act of Tagging is essentially about bolt-action sniping with the single most inaccurate weapon in the game. If they miss with the Tag (or have run out), all you have to do is walk backwards and keep firing... except if you've got a shotgun, then you just run in and headshot.

I respect someone who can take a balanced (or even a hard-to-use) weapon and win with it. I don't respect people who take the easy and cheap routes.

I sure as hell don't respect Campers - if they want to Snipe, they should piss off back to Call of Duty, or the 60-player Unranked matches where having a dozen snipers barely makes a difference to the game.


Whilst I'm on the subject, Resistance 2 sometimes throws a spanner into my gaming works when in Team Games; the association of fucktardery known as the 'Clan'.

Highest Ranking in the realm of Douchebaggery is the Clan whose tag is "333". Went into a 10 vs 10 game where they made up 5-6 members of the opposing team. Everyone else in the game was random (ie: not of the same clan, or even in the same party). First game, the guys get fucked over early on; we hold them off long enough to build up a decent point lead. They all Rage-Quit, spoiling the game.

They then come back, and this time they start winning... eventually leading up to them spawn-camping us.

Clans, I feel, are the epitome of arseholery when this is allowed; Clans should only be allowed to play against other Clans. It is not big, or clever, to take an organised team who play together constantly against a bunch of people who've never met each other.
 

Flying Dagger

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Pi_Fighter said:
I knew this would degenerate into "spawn-camping is wrong" sooner or later. Spawn-camping can be prevented if you have a good enough team that you aren't forced back to your spawn area, and if you are consistantly spawn-killed, just leave the server. Next you will be saying a sniper should be kicked because they have killed you five times from the same spot. The game I play multiplayer most on is CoD WaW and the servers are do overpopulated and the maps so poorly designed that it always turns into an incomprehensible cluster fuck and spawn killing is inevitable even with the latest patch touting "improved spawning logic".

Whenever I encounter a very good player, I enjoy the challenge of the fight. It is actually a lot of fun to kneecap the top player from across the map with a pistol, so no, I do not think that good players ruin games.
first off, i'm likening it to spawn camping, as in that is how helpless you are compared to the pro/hacker.
yeah we all like a challenging fight, but a fight where you get wiped out time after time, hopelessly, just grinds on the nerves.
i'm also talking about a server i regularly go on, not a server that i have randomly logged onto, should i have to leave a server where my mates are because of someone else outclassing me?
 

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Its a special, low, kind of douchebaggery to kick a player just because hes winning.

If you feel youre out classed then move to another server. On the 360 you can avoid a player on the grounds hes far better than you, it doesnt damage his rep and it doesnt kick him. You just dont get matched up with him in future.

Cheatings one thing. If youre losing to someone better then be a man about it. Stay and play or admmit you cant compete and move on.

Ego's can be so fragile.
 

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bjj hero said:
Its a special, low, kind of douchebaggery to kick a player just because hes winning.

If you feel youre out classed then move to another server. On the 360 you can aviod a player on the grounds hes far better than you, it doesnt damage his rep and it doesnt kick him. You just dont get matched up with him in future.

Cheatings one thing. If youre losing to someone better then be a man about it. Stay and play or admmit you cant compete and move on.

Ego's can be so fragile.
This. so much.

I suck at COD4 and usually finish in the bottom five in matches but if someone has invested the time and practice to get really good then to resent them or try to boot them is just plain fucking ignorant.
 

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Flying Dagger said:
first off, i'm likening it to spawn camping, as in that is how helpless you are compared to the pro/hacker.
yeah we all like a challenging fight, but a fight where you get wiped out time after time, hopelessly, just grinds on the nerves.
i'm also talking about a server i regularly go on, not a server that i have randomly logged onto, should i have to leave a server where my mates are because of someone else outclassing me?
I'd say do whatever the hell you fell like. Which game is this anyway?

In CoD WaW it is basically impossible for you to be totally helpless because the levels are designed in such a way that there are always three entrances to a campsite and there are many, many good places to hide a mine/satchel charge that even the best players would get killed by(unless they have the reduced explosives damgage perk).
 

Flying Dagger

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TF2, the type of sniper who kills everyone and even when they die respawn pretty much where they were.
but as it happens TF2 has enough variety to stop people getting repeatedly raped.
I found on games like Counterstrike though, there would be certain people who just showed up and repeatedly slaughtered me, one of the reasons i stopped playing. right after i lost my admin for badaim-ing people who were too good. they didn't think it was as fair or amusing as i did. i wasn't sure why they complained, they still killed me most of the time...
 

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D_987 said:
Flying Dagger said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Kicking someone because they're cheating is fine, and expected.

Kicking someone because they're better than you means you're just being a *****, and that goes for everyone who votes "kick" as well.

Sorry, but that's just the truth.
it's not kicking someone for being better, it's kicking someone for being so much better that they are spoiling the game
How are you going to get better if you don't play against people better than you?
That is the problem. You can't get better if you are spawning taking a step and dying. Or if you are not surviving long enough to get a feel for the map. Cheating is one thing and they should get booted. Although as much as it sucks if you find yourself in a match with a "pro" you should be the one leaving. It is not thier fault they are to good. Afterall that is what we are striving for isn't it?
 

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squid5580 said:
That is the problem. You can't get better if you are spawning taking a step and dying. Or if you are not surviving long enough to get a feel for the map. Cheating is one thing and they should get booted. Although as much as it sucks if you find yourself in a match with a "pro" you should be the one leaving. It is not thier fault they are to good. Afterall that is what we are striving for isn't it?
not really... i just want to enjoy playing the game, if i'm a regular on a server, and my friends are there, i'm not going to leave...