Poll: Questions about dating a Muslim

[FFP2]

Islam is fairly diverse. The rules for conduct in Islam cannot be broken down into black and white anymore than one would with Christians or Jews. Catholics and Lutherans do not hold the exact same tenets, nor do reform Judaism and the Hasids.

And you can break that down even further in all instances.

People have this tendency to be more nuanced than the sum of their group's parts would lead you to believe. Talk to her about her faith and tenets. Get to know her faith (and it's actually a great way to get to know someone better as well).

Don't even attempt to do anything intimate with her, they tend to not do things the same way non-muslim people do (not insulting, that's why I love Muslim people)

Oh, and don't bank on getting serious unless you want to convert.

I know a few Muslims who would be quite angry and/or upset about this. And considering I've heard this sort of thing about Native North americans (I'm half Penobscot), I can totally understand why. That's sorta...Bigoted, intents aside.

Uhh upset about how misinformed I am or about converting? Sorry, I'm a little tired.

 

[JokerCrowe]

She's INDIAN and a Muslim? Are you sure she isn't from Pakistan?

India is one of the most multi-cultural places in the world. There isn't really any clear official religion, or custom, or even language. Not so long ago Pakistan was actually part of India under the British Empire, and while now there may be more Hindu's in India than any other faith, they certainly don't have a majority. There are large sects of Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists and Christians, as well as dozens of smaller, older religions.

Actually I was just making a joke... I knew that, but I thought it would be funny if it turned out she wasn't from India. As if the Op didn't know... ^.^

 

[FFP2]

sex before mariage is forbidden in muslim countries and because of the Sharia you can get some serious fucked up penalities because of that (thats why you "have" to marry your rapist in countries with sharia law).

but muslim girls are not dumb.
you can still enjoy some oral and anal fun with them..

But that's just a loophole, proper religious people don't do shit like that.

OT: Honestly I don't think it's worth it unless you truly think that she's "the One", you're taking a huge chance if you ask her.

 

[Abomination]

sex before mariage is forbidden in muslim countries and because of the Sharia you can get some serious fucked up penalities because of that (thats why you "have" to marry your rapist in countries with sharia law).

but muslim girls are not dumb.
you can still enjoy some oral and anal fun with them..

But that's just a loophole, proper religious people don't do shit like that.

OT: Honestly I don't think it's worth it unless you truly think that she's "the One", you're taking a huge chance if you ask her.

Somehow we've gone past "I'm going to ask her out" into "anal" territory.

That's like Christopher Columbus setting sail for India and landing on the frigging moon.

 

[Commissar Sae]

I've heard certain different ways about exactly what Halaal is. Do you actually know how they're killed?

It's pretty goddamn brutal.
I don't approve of it myself and would never want to touch the stuff.

Spoiler: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC

Spoiler: I'm warning you man!

Spoiler: Bloody! continue at your own risk!

I was told it was shit like that but I really didn't believe it. Religions be crazy.

It's actually one of the better ways to kill an animal believe it or not, plus the animals killed for Halal and Kosher meat tend to actually lead healthier lives than the ones the rest of us eat. Hell, its actually the way absolutely everyone kills lambs. The only real difference the way that ox was slaughtered and the way we slaughter them is we tend to electrocute the shit out of it first and then don't bleed it.

OT: Ask her about it. Some Muslim families are fairly forward thinking while a more traditional family might look poorly upon you. I know a couple who are pretty much in the same situation, and while the girl's family isn't too thrilled about the match they have pretty much been told that they don't have a say in the matter. I find it also depends a lot on whether her parents are first generation immigrants or not. Since first gen parents tend to be more conservative then a family that has been living in another country for generations.

 

[FFP2]

sex before mariage is forbidden in muslim countries and because of the Sharia you can get some serious fucked up penalities because of that (thats why you "have" to marry your rapist in countries with sharia law).

but muslim girls are not dumb.
you can still enjoy some oral and anal fun with them..

But that's just a loophole, proper religious people don't do shit like that.

OT: Honestly I don't think it's worth it unless you truly think that she's "the One", you're taking a huge chance if you ask her.

you would not believe how many "proper religious people" use these particular loopholes.

girls are not dumb. they know they should just take care they arent caught.

like i said, the trouble usually comes with the dads and male members of the family that are overglorified in every religion.

You seem to not like religion very much... I'm gonna stop before this escalades.

 

[FFP2]

sex before mariage is forbidden in muslim countries and because of the Sharia you can get some serious fucked up penalities because of that (thats why you "have" to marry your rapist in countries with sharia law).

but muslim girls are not dumb.
you can still enjoy some oral and anal fun with them..

But that's just a loophole, proper religious people don't do shit like that.

OT: Honestly I don't think it's worth it unless you truly think that she's "the One", you're taking a huge chance if you ask her.

Somehow we've gone past "I'm going to ask her out" into "anal" territory.

That's like Christopher Columbus setting sail for India and landing on the frigging moon.

Haha yeah... I'm kinda creeped out that people think like that.

Just because a girl doesn't want to have sex doesn't make her "dumb"... never understood how people get to that conclusion.

To any potential mods: Sorry for the double post, still getting the hang of this whole "forum" business

 

[Xdeser2]

Well, to me it seems like an easy thing

Find out what she likes and dosent like (since youve been friends for a while that shouldent be too hard)

Find out if shes devout to her religion or not and go from there

From then on its just skirting around what she deems acceptable

 

[Nickolai77]

Ok, I got a question. This girl and I have been friends for a really long time and I think we're both crushing on each other, so I'm planning to ask her out. The only real catch is that she's Indian and a Muslim, I'm not, and I've never really had any contact with Muslims because there's not many where I live (I have made sure she's Muslim, not Hindu). Are there anything specifics I need to know about dating one? I really don't wannna make a bad impression early on, especially to her family, by doing something they'd think was disprespectful. I know to stear clear of politics and a lot of current events near her family (even though me and her talk politics all the time, the different perspective is part of why I like her) but I don't know about basics like customs and courtesies. Any help from my fellow Escapists is highly appreciated, especially if you've had experience with this sort of stuff.

very respectfully,
sharkeyes

Step one: Date her.
Step two: Don't force feed her pigs or booze.
Step three: Remember she is a human, not just a muslim.

QFT

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And just knowing that she's a Muslim doesn't tell you an incredible amount about her OP, you may as well be asking about how to date a Christian girl. Given you've said she's evidently interested in dating you, she's probably quite a liberal Muslim so i'm sure you won't have anything to worry about. I wouldn't deliberately raise the issue of religion to her either, it's likely to make her feel uncomfortable as you're already flagging her religion as a possible issue in the relationship before it's even started. If religion comes up naturally in conversation that's fine- i'd advise brushing up your general knowledge about Islam though, easiest way is to google "5 pillars of Islam" and reading through those. If you can hold a conversation with her about the basic tenants of her faith she'd appreciate that.

 

[Xan Krieger]

I've heard certain different ways about exactly what Halaal is. Do you actually know how they're killed?

It's pretty goddamn brutal.
I don't approve of it myself and would never want to touch the stuff.

Spoiler: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC

Spoiler: I'm warning you man!

Spoiler: Bloody! continue at your own risk!

Shouldn't that be banned? Animals should be killed in a humane way, that is just horribly cruel. Pretty sure that can't happen within the US thanks to our laws against evil things like that.

 

[Davey Woo]

I've heard certain different ways about exactly what Halaal is. Do you actually know how they're killed?

As far as I'm aware, Halal meat is just like normal meat only it has had all (or as much as possible) the blood drained from it. I think nowadays this can usually be done at any time after the animal is dead, I never thought it was a way in which the animal had to be killed.

The butcher's down my road has a machine (I've never seen them use it) labelled 'Halal-3000' so that makes me pretty sure it's something that is usually done after the animal is dead. But I may be wrong.

 

[LetalisK]

The only advice you need is to treat her like any other person you're dating. She'll let you know if anything needs to be different with her.

For all we know she's a Jack Muslim who eats bacon burgers, loves Budweiser, hasn't prayed in years, never intends to go on a Hajj, and will dutch oven your ass the first chance she gets.

The last one had nothing to do with being Muslim. Just giving you a warning.

 

[Padwolf]

Well something important to learn is how religious her family is. My best friend is Indian Muslim and her family are very strict when it comes to dating, she isn't really meant to date anyone outside of her religious community. So before you ask her out it's best to learn about her family. Check how religious she is, but remember that how religious her family is too, because it could give you a hard time if your friend isn't really religious but her family is. Seriously check how religious her parents are first. It is really really very important that you do that. Please keep that in mind.

 

[Keoul]

Shouldn't that be banned? Animals should be killed in a humane way, that is just horribly cruel. Pretty sure that can't happen within the US thanks to our laws against evil things like that.

It's a religious thing so I guess they're just letting it slide to seem respectful or something.
And I suppose there wouldn't be much halal meat in the US due to the low Muslim population, just an assumption considering their reputation over there but if you ever see a butcher selling halal meat then that's what it is.

 

[AngloDoom]

From what experience I have of all sorts of religious individuals - Hindu, Muslim, Christian, etc - most people will pick and choose what parts they follow and what parts they don't. There's really no safe way to advise you in what to do: in fact you are - by far - the person most qualified to tell us all what she's going to/not going to approve of.

If this lady is sensible she'll understand that you may lack knowledge of her religion and will forgive you for it. If you're worried about upsetting her parents then ask her what to do. If you've gotten to the point where you're going out and you haven't offended her, I don't think there's an issue.

 

[Xan Krieger]

Shouldn't that be banned? Animals should be killed in a humane way, that is just horribly cruel. Pretty sure that can't happen within the US thanks to our laws against evil things like that.

It's a religious thing so I guess they're just letting it slide to seem respectful or something.
And I suppose there wouldn't be much halal meat in the US due to the low Muslim population, just an assumption considering their reputation over there but if you ever see a butcher selling halal meat then that's what it is.

That's no reason to let it slide, I don't care if it's religious or not. If I saw a butcher selling the stuff I'm never buying from them, I would never support such inhumane practices. If it is legal I would happily petition to have it banned.

 

[Uszi]

I've heard certain different ways about exactly what Halaal is. Do you actually know how they're killed?

It's pretty goddamn brutal.
I don't approve of it myself and would never want to touch the stuff.

Spoiler: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC

Spoiler: I'm warning you man!

Spoiler: Bloody! continue at your own risk!

Shouldn't that be banned? Animals should be killed in a humane way, that is just horribly cruel. Pretty sure that can't happen within the US thanks to our laws against evil things like that.

Wrong [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humane_Slaughter_Act#Content_of_the_Humane_Slaughter_Act]:

Spoiler: Kosher Slaughterhouse in Iowa (graphic)

Personally, I don't really care if my hamburger suffered before it died.

Also, animals don't live for five minutes after their throats are cut, unless the slaughterhouse workers aren't doing their jobs properly. Death isn't instant, but there's a pretty big difference between 1-3 minutes (which is normal if you cut both carotid arteries, both jugular veins and the trachea) and 5 minutes, which the Halaal video claims.

For instance, the Kosher video I linked above is only 3 minutes long, and they show one cow in particular (a white one) take about a minute to go down to the ground. I guess if you care about the well being of cows (I don't) or you didn't realize that a living thing had to become a dead thing to put your burger on the table (I do) then it might be shocking, but that cow still took less than two minutes to die. Supposedly when animals are cut properly they go unconscious fairly instantly (unlike the video I posted above).

Regardless, the five minutes mentioned in the Halaal video is either hyperbole or someone not doing their job properly.