Poll: Rape vs Murder, a different perspective.

[bobknowsall]

You really carry knifes, how old are you?

Sixteen?
I've been doing it since I was like twelve.

I have to agree with Max here. I keep a butterfly on my belt at all times. Failing that, I walk behind the guy, make a loud noise, and do horrid things to him with the nearest sharp object.

Well now, that's all well and good if you live in the States, where you have the right to bear arms. I live in Ireland, where you can be arrested for up to five years for carrying a knife in public. As a result, the only things I'm legally allowed to use on this fellow are unarmed attacks. I've been doing martial arts for a few years, granted, but you don't need training to incapacitate someone who's distracted and has their back turned to you.

(I voted for murder being worse than rape, and I would take the risk to protect her. I wouldn't be able to live with myself otherwise. The reason that I think murder is worse is as follows: Rape can ruin someone's life, but at least they're still in possession of said life afterwards.)

 

[stonethered]

seeing as there's a high chance he'll murder her when he's done it seems imperative that I imedeatly dial 911, and then leave it ringing in my pocket as I do whatever I can to stop him, starting with yelling loudly. Chances of survival are not good for anyone involved so I might as well turn it into a hostage situation and at least guarantee she lives till the police get there.

Heck if I'm lucky it could be the rather truamatic start of a new relationship. If not, people die, which they'd do anyways eventually. What have I got to lose? For that matter what has she got to lose, she's being raped, possibly will soon be murdered, it doesn't get any worse than that. Intervention is definetly the best option.

 

[Internet Kraken]

You know alleyways tend to be littered with debris that you can easily step on. So everyone who says they will sneak up on the guy and then attack him might want to rethink their strategy, as you would most likely produce enough noise for him to notice you.

 

[titanium turtle]

sneak up behind them with a pipe, brick, metal bin lid etc.
if they don't see me bash their head in
if they do see me- run(I'm unarmed I would not stand a chance)

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

First of all this is one scary vs. thread.

Secondly, I would vote murder is worse because, well, you're dead. But I would risk myself to help the person.

You know if you see a violent crime in action and don't do anything at all, like try to stop it or call the police, you can get in serious trouble. Goes against good samaritan laws.

 

[Unholykrumpet]

I think that if you look at it with the result in mind, murder is always going to be worse than rape. Dead is dead, emotionally scarred for life sucks, but death is still greater.

However, I look at it slightly differently. I look at the man (or woman) that's committing the crime. Rape only has one despicable motive. Murder it's a bit more complicated. You can murder someone out of jealousy, greed, revenge, money (assassins), under blackmail, etc. Because of this, I choose that rape is worse, not because of the result, but because of the thing driving the person to commit the crime. Murder might provide the worst outcome for the victim, but the motive is what really makes me decide the way I do.

If you put me in a room with a murderer and a rapist and forced me to choose which one died without telling me any circumstances of their crimes, I'd kill the rapist everytime. (Disclaimer: This is just showing my views, I'd try to not kill either, so don't say "Hey, you're as bad as the murderer." But if it came down to it, and there way no way to get out of it, then I would).

Edit: And also, to completely answer the question, I would take the risk and try to disarm the attacker. If I won that struggle...I don't know if I'd be able to stop beating him.

 

[Hybrid Sight]

Definatly try to help the person. Try to sneak up behind the guy and kick him the the crotch as hard as I can. Then while hes writhing in pain choke him to death.

 

[bobknowsall]

You know alleyways tend to be littered with debris that you can easily step on. So everyone who says they will sneak up on the guy and then attack him might want to rethink their strategy, as you would most likely produce enough noise for him to notice you.

Well, wouldn't it depend on the situation? If the victim was struggling and making noise (which they probably would be), then the rapist might be too distracted to notice you. But I can see where you're coming from. You'd probably be better off barreling into him and trying to attack him then.

 

[Captain_Caveman]

1.) CALL 911 - TELL POLICE WHERE IT IS
2.) YELL DOWN ALLEY "POLICE!!!" (this will likely make them run away, if it doesnt then the real police will be there soon)

All of your options are ridiculous. So i didn't vote.

 

[Axeli]

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But you can't just look only at what it means to only one person. That's not how real life works.

True. Though we should probably return to the example where one has to choose between murder and rape, because none of us would cause or commit either under normal situation, I hope.

So, if we assume that either you or the rapist will die (though completely realistically the rapist would most likely flee, but let's say you know he's a total psycho who definitely won't, and you don't have time to wait for police), or then you just let the rape happen?
Obviously, you have some insight to your own life, and know who will take the hit if you'd happen to be the one to bite the dust. That's up to you to consider. How many people rely on you, and are you willing to risk it?
Then there's the rapist... You don't know if he's important to someone or not, plus if he is, the person caring is already in for quite a bit of shock learning what kind of crime the guy is ready to commit. I.e. The rapist himself is the one causing pain for people who care about him. With that and the fact he's the kind of person to commit such a crime, there's a fair change he will only cause further suffering to others even if he lives.
Then there's a the rape victim, who you can bet will be traumatized if you let the rape happen.

Depending on how you much evaluate your life to be worth, it's pretty clear that in this case it's either you or the rapist who's gotta go (again, assuming that if you try to stop it, either one of you will die). If you have the balls to put your life on line to do the right thing, that is.

But really, cases where a murder and a rape are the only two possible outcomes are pretty rare, thus it's somewhat irrelevant which is generally a more destructive crime.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

For me, as a hopeless case when it comes to self defence and no wish to even have a rapist's death haunting my memories for the rest of my life (it amazes me how many people seem think they could just kill a dozen people a day and feel nothing, and also always walk around armed.), I'd go for the 'making a shedload of noise' option, probably with the old 'FIRE' scheme. Shout and yell and no-one is going to carry on with attack that they're trying to do quietly and alone.

Seems any topic like this that comes up seems to end up an e-peen waving contest about who can kill the most perverts in the most graphics way and not actually answering the question in any relevant way.

He said 'you don't have a weapon or anything like one nearby' and yet people are going 'well I always have 3 chainsaws and a rocket launcher in my back pocket'. Honestly, if the question if 'what would you do on a desert island?' you don't go 'well, I'd be at home' so why does everyone have to get so macho about weapons?

I guess my take on the main topic would be, emotionally I feel rape is worse, yet, some women do get raped and suffer very few ill effects, yet everyone takes the full effect of being murdered.

From a cold logic viewpoint, murder must be worse.

 

[tthor]

i would have to say rape would be worse, because rape = deep psychological trauma for probably the rest of your life, whereas, murder = deep psychological trauma for the rest of your life, which, really, won't be that long, because, well, the idea of murder is you're gonna die pretty soon, so you would really only suffer for the, what, 5 minutes it takes for you to die,

tho this is all cercumstantial. if the situation is a person will either be suddenly raped or suddenly murderered, raping is going to be much worse for that person. but if a psychodic guy told the person he'd either rape her or murder her, the murder would be worse, because then you are aware of the fact you would die, and have more time to ponder what you dieing would truly mean, and thus cause her a incredible deal of mental anguish

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

I think this tells you[a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.78482?page=2#980485] How I would re-act.[/a]

Good man.
As for myself, I've been a rape victim as a child so I sure as fuck wouldn't tolerate seeing it happen or knowing that it was happening while I did nothing. So as a 6'5" guy I would go ahead with Operation Give the Woman Time to Get Away While I Practice Brutality. If I didn't have a knife, I would be keying his throat. Hopefully whatever happens will be enough for her to get away.

 

[Anarchy In Detroit]

Easy.

Dying fighting that person would be an honor. Can you ask for a better death than dying trying to save someone? I think not. I'd go plant my size fourteens up that rapists ass. I'm 6 ft 2 and 250 lbs.

If I could get that knife away from him the cops would probably have to arrest me too.

 

[ToxinArrow]

"you aren't carrying weapons or anything to improvise as one,"

Yeah see there's your problem. Many people DO carry weapons, and I for one would shout out for help and draw my pistol and help.

 

[MrNades]

In all truthfulness though I would still try to help the person with the knife even if there is a high risk of me dieing but that's just who I am.

 

[Nukey]

well, i am not an average person, i do carry weapons around, and im skilled in hand to hand combat. i would probably attack the rapist.

 

[Slayer_2]

How is rape worse then murder?!? I can't believe so many people think that. No matter how bad rape is, you can always kill yourself if that's what you really want.