Poll: Should being obese be considered a disability?
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No. It should be considered a byproduct of the comercialized world we live in. We live in a world where we ban any depiction of smoking in the media or otherwise but we have no problem with allowing fast foods to be advertised on TV/Billboards/Media. The same way you can make smoking cool and appealing the same way you can make fast foods appealing and "cool". Besides, the society we live in encourages a very, very busy life style. Most of the times people don't have time to cook. What would you rather do after a busy day? Sit back and relax, order some pizza and eat away or spend the time needed to cook a decent meal? All the problems with obesity can be traced back to the busy life style society imposes on us. I will go as far as to say most obesity cases in todays world are not the fault of the person but of society itself.
yes.
tell me this man is not disabled and I will call you a liar.
even if he got that way by choice he probably stays like that due to a mental issue/block (in other words, laziness and procrastination but that's not the point)
tell me that he can walk to the supermarket from the parking space far away. the man would probably fall over with a heart attack halfway there.
he is disabled, not by choice but because he simply can't do shit about it (due to lack of restraint or something like that) how can we say, "big deal, I/other people have managed to slim down, why can't you" when every person is different.
I hear some forms of paralysis can be cured through surgery nowadays, look at all those lazy bastards who are too lazy to get some money and pay the doctors, they should be ashamed of themselves for asking me to help them up from their fallen wheelchair. <---extremely offensive only to get the point across btw.
even if he got that way by choice he probably stays like that due to a mental issue/block (in other words, laziness and procrastination but that's not the point)
tell me that he can walk to the supermarket from the parking space far away. the man would probably fall over with a heart attack halfway there.
he is disabled, not by choice but because he simply can't do shit about it (due to lack of restraint or something like that) how can we say, "big deal, I/other people have managed to slim down, why can't you" when every person is different.
I hear some forms of paralysis can be cured through surgery nowadays, look at all those lazy bastards who are too lazy to get some money and pay the doctors, they should be ashamed of themselves for asking me to help them up from their fallen wheelchair. <---extremely offensive only to get the point across btw.
Sure, in their head.
Seriously, though. No! This is not a disability. This is a self-inflicted injury. If you ate yourself fat and now it's rendering you immobile, STOP EATING. Being overweight is not a sin, but Jabba The Hut is disgusting! Counting this as a disability will just make it easier for the obese to get MORE food, which is BAD.
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Seriously, though. No! This is not a disability. This is a self-inflicted injury. If you ate yourself fat and now it's rendering you immobile, STOP EATING. Being overweight is not a sin, but Jabba The Hut is disgusting! Counting this as a disability will just make it easier for the obese to get MORE food, which is BAD.
(The user will not apologize for any of this. There is no argument to be made here.)
No. Losing weight is something that can be done. Being obese is no reason to be labeled 'disabled', no matter how much that rhymed.
Though to me, it's more because it just seems like wallowing, rather than trying to actively better the problem.
Though to me, it's more because it just seems like wallowing, rather than trying to actively better the problem.
The problem is that 'Obesity' is very, very rarely an actual 'condition'. While the 'tendency' can be shown, actual being obese no matter what you do is incredibly rare.
Disability should only apply for inescapable or treatable issues which end benefits when the treatment is successful.
Disability should only apply for inescapable or treatable issues which end benefits when the treatment is successful.
I would say: That depends on the reason why somebody is obese.
Is it because someone really likes to eat and eat stuff with a lot of fat or sugar and doesn't like to move or even *gasp* do sports. Then the answer is: No!
A friend of mine has a quite seldom disease. Muscles turn to fat, no matter what she does. She eats healthy and does sports but all this can slow that process down but cannot stop it.
She is considered as disabled and I think that's just right. She can't walk anymore (I knew her already when she was still able to walk at least some steps).
She really would like to get rid of that disease (I don't know the name of that disease) and would like to have a healthy body, get married, have kids. But propably that will never occur. Not because of her shape but of that disease. She does not know how old she can get.
She does a lot to slow down that process of muscles turning into fat, but well...
Being obese is surely not easy and losing weight is a hard fight but most people are not ill, they can change their bodyweight. Those people should not be considered as disabled as long as they are able to do something against that.
Is it because someone really likes to eat and eat stuff with a lot of fat or sugar and doesn't like to move or even *gasp* do sports. Then the answer is: No!
A friend of mine has a quite seldom disease. Muscles turn to fat, no matter what she does. She eats healthy and does sports but all this can slow that process down but cannot stop it.
She is considered as disabled and I think that's just right. She can't walk anymore (I knew her already when she was still able to walk at least some steps).
She really would like to get rid of that disease (I don't know the name of that disease) and would like to have a healthy body, get married, have kids. But propably that will never occur. Not because of her shape but of that disease. She does not know how old she can get.
She does a lot to slow down that process of muscles turning into fat, but well...
Being obese is surely not easy and losing weight is a hard fight but most people are not ill, they can change their bodyweight. Those people should not be considered as disabled as long as they are able to do something against that.
Nope. Ricky Gervais sums up the matter pretty well. It´s something that mostly can be overcome if the person has enough willpower. A disability is much more serious.
Nope. Obesity is controllable and is the direct result of conscious actions (or inaction) taken by a person. Calling obesity a "disability" is akin to calling alcoholism/drug addiction a "disease," something that has recently become an accepted term in some "professional" circles, and subsequently the general public.
If anything, a pattern of addictive behavior (be it towards food, alcohol, gambling, sex etc) could be classified as a BEHAVIORAL DISORDER. The end result of obesity signals either aforementioned eating disorder, or just a plain old lazy/unhealthy lifestyle.
Yes, I honestly am disgusted by excessively fat people. They SHOULD feel ashamed of themselves.
If anything, a pattern of addictive behavior (be it towards food, alcohol, gambling, sex etc) could be classified as a BEHAVIORAL DISORDER. The end result of obesity signals either aforementioned eating disorder, or just a plain old lazy/unhealthy lifestyle.
Yes, I honestly am disgusted by excessively fat people. They SHOULD feel ashamed of themselves.
It's funny to read this thread and see just how out of touch the world is when it comes to disability. Any mental affliction can be considered a disability because it limits what is possible from that individual. Most obese people are not obese by choice, like lots of things in the human experience it is possible to be chemically addicted to food. Imagine that craving you have and being unable to resist to the point that you have mobility issues and serious health issues. Disability plain and simple.
rokkolpo said:
I'm not so much new as I simply don't spend a ton of time on forums. And I know I'm not sounding nice, but am I being that uncivil? Okay, saying "fatty" might've been going too far. At least most of my "hatin'" is analytical in nature. By the way, at further risk of being a pretentious twat, that's "allright" and "you're" not "your."
Watch out, grammar nazi lurkin'.
NO. Fat people should not get the same legal rights as disabled people. I see absolutely no reason why one should be rewarded for a life-style choice which prevents you from functioning normally within society.
I am still waiting for the day where unhealthy people have to pay more than people following a healthy lifestyle for things such as healthcare and medical treatment. Some people might call this form of positive discrimination unfair or unethical, but I am getting tired of having to pay for the errors of others.
If you want to smoke your entire life, go ahead. Don't expect a fresh new heart when yours breaks down though. If you want to stuff your face until you look like a hippopotamus, go ahead. But don't expect other people to give you special treatment. If you drink heavily every day, don't moan about your bad liver.
Hopefully I am not the only one who wanted to puke after reading that article about the telly tubbies.
I am still waiting for the day where unhealthy people have to pay more than people following a healthy lifestyle for things such as healthcare and medical treatment. Some people might call this form of positive discrimination unfair or unethical, but I am getting tired of having to pay for the errors of others.
If you want to smoke your entire life, go ahead. Don't expect a fresh new heart when yours breaks down though. If you want to stuff your face until you look like a hippopotamus, go ahead. But don't expect other people to give you special treatment. If you drink heavily every day, don't moan about your bad liver.
Hopefully I am not the only one who wanted to puke after reading that article about the telly tubbies.