Poll: Should being obese be considered a disability?
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This is going to have to be a medically driven, case by case basis.
There are a few cases of random things popping up in the body which prevent weight loss. One of my former roommates, who I worked out with and ate with all the time could never lose any weight. He was counting calories, working harder than I was, but he couldn't lose weight. It turns out, he had a tumor which prevented him from losing any weight. Doctors pulled it out, and the pounds melted away. Sometimes it's more than just eating too much food.
There are a few cases of random things popping up in the body which prevent weight loss. One of my former roommates, who I worked out with and ate with all the time could never lose any weight. He was counting calories, working harder than I was, but he couldn't lose weight. It turns out, he had a tumor which prevented him from losing any weight. Doctors pulled it out, and the pounds melted away. Sometimes it's more than just eating too much food.
Well, I'm not fat, so your adolescent name calling isn't really hurtful. You don't need to be in a situation to sympathise, and generally not be a selfish dick about things. And you are born as basically a ball of flesh and fat, so yeah, you kinda did.Zack84 said:
I'm not saying that people wake up fat, although it's immaterial how they got fat. Are they physically disabled? Yes. End of story. They are physically unable to perform takes that a normal person can.
If someone smokes to the point where cancer takes their lungs and voice box, they can't start running marathons or become a bingo caller. If someone does vodka shots to the eye, and become blind as a result of this, they are still blind. If someone drinks and drives, and looses the use of their legs, they are still disabled. You may not approve of the method in which these people became less able, but they are so regardless.
Obese people have the luxury of improving their situation over time, but it takes time and support. End of. People don't just become star athletes without a trainer, and the amount of work a seriously obese person needs to become healthy, requires that sort of professionalism, knowledge of nutrition and emotional support. Until people recognise their problems as an issue, the obese community won't be able to improve their situation, because they have no help. In fact, they almost certainly are going to get worse, by being bullied by people like many on this thread.
I'm going to assume that your grammar and spelling comments weren't aimed at me, and get straight to the point. If you have joined up to these forums to bait and troll users, I would suggest deleting your account right now. The mods here don't put up with crap like that, and rightly so. I suggest moving over to another forum that suits you and your "needs" a bit better.
As for everyone on this thread who is seriously judging people based on their appearance, you should be ashamed
So show me the study that concludes the overwhelming majority (or at least a significant percentage) of obese people suffer from uncontrollable "eating disorders." Americans are far fatter than the rest of the industrialized world, so how do you account for this? Only U.S. citizens are afflicted by an insatiable appetite?frago roc said:
NO. The problem is the cushy, sedentary lifestyle and culture we have developed. The problem is the OVERLY PROCESSED FOOD that has become widely available at an ostensibly cheaper cost than healthful (not "healthy") choices. I say ostensibly because when you think about it, that 5 dollar "value meal" is one single, almost nutritionally empty meal, and with raw materials and cooking experience that 5 dollars could net 2-3 truly filling meals (perhaps sans meat).
Processed food is very easy to over-eat because it's nutritionally deficient, often requires little chewing, often contains non-nutritional fillers, and is loaded with salt, which makes you reach for sugar (soda).
Sure, there are some people who experience uncontrollable compulsive eating, but your garden variety Fat American Fuck is simply lazy and makes poor choices of what to put in his body.
Nice fail argument, wanna try again?
To reach the level of obesity where you would need disability benefits you have to be eating badly and not exercising. No one gets to be 300-400lbs because of their genes, and no one should be rewarded/encouraged with tax payer money for shoveling burgers in their face.
It would be really awful to have a thyroid disorder or be born fat in a society that worships the anorexic, but I have no sympathy for those whose weight problems are self-inflicted. I do believe there should be programs to help the obese lose weight and get back into a healthy lifestyle, but it should be their own responsibility and the money shouldn't be handed to them by the government.
It would be really awful to have a thyroid disorder or be born fat in a society that worships the anorexic, but I have no sympathy for those whose weight problems are self-inflicted. I do believe there should be programs to help the obese lose weight and get back into a healthy lifestyle, but it should be their own responsibility and the money shouldn't be handed to them by the government.
[/quote]Well, I'm not fat, so your adolescent name calling isn't really hurtful. You don't need to be in a situation to sympathise, and generally not be a selfish dick about things. And you are born as basically a ball of flesh and fat, so yeah, you kinda did.
I'm not saying that people wake up fat, although it's immaterial how they got fat. Are they physically disabled? Yes. End of story. They are physically unable to perform takes that a normal person can.
If someone smokes to the point where cancer takes their lungs and voice box, they can't start running marathons or become a bingo caller. If someone does vodka shots to the eye, and become blind as a result of this, they are still blind. If someone drinks and drives, and looses the use of their legs, they are still disabled. You may not approve of the method in which these people became less able, but they are so regardless.[/quote]
Look, if you're using the word "disabled" merely to classify them as people less able to perform physical tasks than others, then yes, that is an undeniable fact. But then you could say a small-framed man who never exercises and smokes cigarettes is "disabled," because he can't run a quarter mile and can't lift 50 lbs. Disability or not, the label SHOULD NOT be a release of LIABILITY, and what I'm garnering from your post is that you believe it does.
Undiagnosed thyroid conditions and true compulsive eating disorders aside, the vast majority of fat people have no pathology on which to foist blame for their state of being.
Labeling it a "disability" in the U.S. law sense would ENTITLE fat fucks to undeserved perks--essentially reward for not taking care of themselves. And just so you don't think my disgust is reserved only for the overweight, I don't think smokers with COPD should be entitled to disability benefits either. You bring your poor health on yourself with a lifetime of poor choices, it's your own damn fault.
I'm not saying that people wake up fat, although it's immaterial how they got fat. Are they physically disabled? Yes. End of story. They are physically unable to perform takes that a normal person can.
If someone smokes to the point where cancer takes their lungs and voice box, they can't start running marathons or become a bingo caller. If someone does vodka shots to the eye, and become blind as a result of this, they are still blind. If someone drinks and drives, and looses the use of their legs, they are still disabled. You may not approve of the method in which these people became less able, but they are so regardless.[/quote]
Look, if you're using the word "disabled" merely to classify them as people less able to perform physical tasks than others, then yes, that is an undeniable fact. But then you could say a small-framed man who never exercises and smokes cigarettes is "disabled," because he can't run a quarter mile and can't lift 50 lbs. Disability or not, the label SHOULD NOT be a release of LIABILITY, and what I'm garnering from your post is that you believe it does.
Undiagnosed thyroid conditions and true compulsive eating disorders aside, the vast majority of fat people have no pathology on which to foist blame for their state of being.
Labeling it a "disability" in the U.S. law sense would ENTITLE fat fucks to undeserved perks--essentially reward for not taking care of themselves. And just so you don't think my disgust is reserved only for the overweight, I don't think smokers with COPD should be entitled to disability benefits either. You bring your poor health on yourself with a lifetime of poor choices, it's your own damn fault.
I dont understand why genetics has anything to do with it. Most people with severe genetic disorders, I assume, don't give a toss about what gene caused it, but rather how the fuck they get rid of the disease.
Example: Alzheimers is treated as best possible with medicine. Obesity is best treated with salads and excersise. One always has a genetic trigger, the other only in a small percentage of cases.
I think it has something to with the treatment...
And for the disabled status, I've recently quit smoking. Yay social stigma, thank you for making it socially unacceptable to smoke, it really helps. If smoking was a disability, I would enjoy my brand new parking badge and go up to 40 a day, just because I could.
Example: Alzheimers is treated as best possible with medicine. Obesity is best treated with salads and excersise. One always has a genetic trigger, the other only in a small percentage of cases.
I think it has something to with the treatment...
And for the disabled status, I've recently quit smoking. Yay social stigma, thank you for making it socially unacceptable to smoke, it really helps. If smoking was a disability, I would enjoy my brand new parking badge and go up to 40 a day, just because I could.
My mother has an under-active thyroid. Genetically-speaking she should be more prone to being over-weight than most people she knows and yet she walks to and from work and very occasionally does some yoga, 'boxercise', or whatever the hell she wants to do on the spur of the moment, and eats healthy meals and she still is a healthier weight than most people she knows at her work.Father Time said:
I myself have the opposite problem of having a speedy metabolism that means I have been around 8st, despite being a 5ft 11 individual, putting me deep into the 'underweight' category of the BMI charts. However, I've eaten more and taken to going to the gym and I'm now 11st 6lbs.
Obesity isn't a genetic issue. It's an issue of self-control.
rofl I saw his special and there was another bit on how it doesn't make sense that fat people get to ride scooters in grocery stores or something like that.KefkaCultist said:
OT: No its not a disease, it might be genetic in some cases, but it's not a disease.
I think the only people who are going to say it is a disease are the people who are obese, but I don't think even all obese people think it's a disease. I believe only the ones who want to be pitied try to convince themselves and others that obesity is a disease.
edit: I just realized I posted something about being fat when my avatar is me in the process of me eating my favorite snacks. XD
