I think it should be included because I use it all the time and barely get kills with it so if your getting killed by it, your either retarded or didnt see it. I have only not seen it twice btw.
Poll: Should Modern Warfare 2 include the Martyrdom perk?
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Yes. Keep it... amazing anti-camper device... and actually, I've only heard campers complain about it... probably because anyone else has enough common sense to move when the grenade icon appears, or not walk over bodies after you just kill them... I find last stand way more annoying... they need to fix it so that if you shoot the guy and they fall into last stand, you should get credit for the kill since they should be dead then... Dunno if they did that in WaW or not, could never get it to work right online...
i completely agree with u, however last stand can be unfair as well, if u swap ur pistol for an automatic then u magically spawn a pistol in last stand, same with overkill and (i think) with running out of ammoJumplion said:
OT:i like martyrdom, i never use it and its really annoying when ur doing shit in a match and then u finally get ur first kill, only to be killed by their martyrdom, but i'm not such a twat to complain about it being unfair and noobish, the only noobish thing in CoD4 is the grenade launcher which is immensely fun on splitscreen headshots only mode.
The warning doesn't come up on hardcore mode, but still... it is pretty much common sense... or, you know, just throw the grenade away?SilentHunter7 said:
So by killing someone through Your own skill and running towards/past their dead body (It could be in a doorway you happen to want to walk through) proves that the player with skill is a "noob"?SilentHunter7 said:
And are you saying everyone plays the core mode (I've forgotten if that's the name for it) only? Hardcore mode doesn't have grenade warnings.
OT: I wasn't really bothered too much, but i guess rewarding someone who died with a kill is kind of an odd thing..
I think that it is a 'noobish' tactic to use that perk but you are a bigger noob if you fall into it.
Meh it really sucks when you get cornered in a room, go on a rampage and kill like 6 guys in a row and then get hit by the 'nade as you're running out. But it is a perk and no worse than any other ones in the game I suppose.
I do wish they'd take it off for hardcore mode though.
I do wish they'd take it off for hardcore mode though.
Dunno about you guys, but I usually HEAR it drop long before I see it.
Keep it. If you're too thick to figure out how to listen or watch for indications, then you need to go back to Halo
Keep it. If you're too thick to figure out how to listen or watch for indications, then you need to go back to Halo
I would be meaning the frag one [been a while since I toyed with them, I was trying to look smart by knowing their namesOctorok said:
]I suppose 'better' is the wrong word, the final sniper rifle is by far the easiest to use (2 body shots to a kill, high rate of fire, relatively low recoil etc). The starting one will take the same 2 body shots to kill and has a much lower rate of fire, I do think it does slightly more damage and has slightly longer range, but it's a far more difficult weapon to master.Timelord91 said:
My opinion seems to be somewhat unpopular. I acknowledge that, and have resigned myself to the fact that this style of play has been accepted by the larger community, but there's no chance of my not feeling cheated by it and bitching about the good old days when CoD multiplayer relied more on skill than time spent playing and/or blatant spam.
I'd say yes.
Its a very good perk for me as I like to sneak up behind enemy spawn points on Hardcore, and when I get shot, I usually take one or two out with me. And I generally don't take out any team mates. Sure you have a couple accidents, but that is part of the game...
Its a very good perk for me as I like to sneak up behind enemy spawn points on Hardcore, and when I get shot, I usually take one or two out with me. And I generally don't take out any team mates. Sure you have a couple accidents, but that is part of the game...
After reading a majority of the comments and assessing my own feelings from COD:WAW, I am inclined to say that it should be included.
My reasoning:
It has been called a noob tactic. Perhaps, but there are also noobs present within the game, along with newbs. Noobs are just as readily blamed for their killability in as much as they are blamed for their "broken builds." These two arguments cancel eachother out and equate readily to boasting and whining, respectively. Newbs, on the other hand, DESERVE a hand up in a new game. You may want a pretty shining world where only skilled FPSers play on your servers, but that world will never exist. There will always be first time FPSers, and there will always be those who need time to adjust to new game. If the only sympathy we have for these players is bullets and knives to the back, we will slowly lose membership over time. (A side note: I grew up on single player FPSs like Duke Nukem. I was given the luxury of lengthy training over my newbile adversaries.)
The presence of strategy is arguable. Please think about the word and assume for a moment that it was not applied ironically: Martyr. If I assault a hallway knowing that there is extensive crossfire that will LIKELY cut me down, running down the hall and dropping a grenade pushes all of that crossfire back several paces and takes their mind off of shooting my friends. Thereafter, there have been several incidents where I had run completely out of bullets, grenades, and secondary explosives. There were no dead men from whom I could liberate new arms. I had a knife, and a grenade strapped to my chest. Martyrdom explosively increased my lethality despite being relatively unarmed.
Lastly, a reiteration of previous commentary. If you are behind cover and you kill someone with marty, you are fine. If you are rushing and you are staying in no room longer than four seconds, you are fine. Don't stand on the bodies of people you know just died. You say that martyr is a nuisance. I say it is a challenge.
Thank you for your time and please feel free to inform me as to why I am wrong.
Edit:
I will include a quick note on the incentive system as provided by multiplayer gaming. If it were not present in World at War, I probably would have become bored by now. Therein, one may cite advantages to having new/prestige players go back to "basics." It encourages/forces players to try new/old builds. It also gives over-confident know-it-alls an opportunity to learn some humility.
I have just hit prestige in WAW for the third time and I am rapidly learning that I am a die-a-lot-bullet-sponge when I don't have my shiny screaming fully automatic weapons of mass destruction. That is a good thing in my opinion. I am allowed to "re-learn" some skills and improve as a player.
*Drops his two cents and gets out*
My reasoning:
It has been called a noob tactic. Perhaps, but there are also noobs present within the game, along with newbs. Noobs are just as readily blamed for their killability in as much as they are blamed for their "broken builds." These two arguments cancel eachother out and equate readily to boasting and whining, respectively. Newbs, on the other hand, DESERVE a hand up in a new game. You may want a pretty shining world where only skilled FPSers play on your servers, but that world will never exist. There will always be first time FPSers, and there will always be those who need time to adjust to new game. If the only sympathy we have for these players is bullets and knives to the back, we will slowly lose membership over time. (A side note: I grew up on single player FPSs like Duke Nukem. I was given the luxury of lengthy training over my newbile adversaries.)
The presence of strategy is arguable. Please think about the word and assume for a moment that it was not applied ironically: Martyr. If I assault a hallway knowing that there is extensive crossfire that will LIKELY cut me down, running down the hall and dropping a grenade pushes all of that crossfire back several paces and takes their mind off of shooting my friends. Thereafter, there have been several incidents where I had run completely out of bullets, grenades, and secondary explosives. There were no dead men from whom I could liberate new arms. I had a knife, and a grenade strapped to my chest. Martyrdom explosively increased my lethality despite being relatively unarmed.
Lastly, a reiteration of previous commentary. If you are behind cover and you kill someone with marty, you are fine. If you are rushing and you are staying in no room longer than four seconds, you are fine. Don't stand on the bodies of people you know just died. You say that martyr is a nuisance. I say it is a challenge.
Thank you for your time and please feel free to inform me as to why I am wrong.
Edit:
I will include a quick note on the incentive system as provided by multiplayer gaming. If it were not present in World at War, I probably would have become bored by now. Therein, one may cite advantages to having new/prestige players go back to "basics." It encourages/forces players to try new/old builds. It also gives over-confident know-it-alls an opportunity to learn some humility.
I have just hit prestige in WAW for the third time and I am rapidly learning that I am a die-a-lot-bullet-sponge when I don't have my shiny screaming fully automatic weapons of mass destruction. That is a good thing in my opinion. I am allowed to "re-learn" some skills and improve as a player.
*Drops his two cents and gets out*
Well, to me it is a "I'm no good at shooting, so I need to explode when I die"-tactic. It isn't annoying on a 6v6 server, because you can hear the nade drop or you see it no matter who kills the one with martyrdom.. but when servers get really big, like 12v12+ this perk becomes really annoying. The problem is the fact that it doesn't kill those who kill the martyrdom-user but everyone else who doesn't notice the grenade dropping due to being focused somewhere else (usually in hardcore, no grenade indicator).
Oh, and this perk is totally retarded when friendly fire is on.
Oh, and this perk is totally retarded when friendly fire is on.
Meh, only play hardcore and it hasn't bothered me in a long time. Would MUCH prefer to see the noobtube gone considering how un-avoidable they are in comparison.
Okay so say it's hardcore mode. After the first time you get waxed by a grenade, if you're keep sprinting over freshly killed corpses, what do you think is going to happen?curty129 said:
And please. Don't use the word skill. Leadership is a skill. Teamwork is a skill. Time management is a skill. Reading is a skill. Knowing what gets you killed is arguably a skill. Headshotting someone in CoD 4, and running over his grenade for the 10th time is not a skill. It's just thick.
I was playing a 5v5 hardcore tdm on District once, and ended up chucking a martyrdom nade into a poll immediately in front of me. It then bounced back over me and killed both my team and I.
I had such a good laugh that, for whatever reason, martyrdom nades just stopped pissing me off afterward. So, sure. I guess I'd like to see them in MW2...
I had such a good laugh that, for whatever reason, martyrdom nades just stopped pissing me off afterward. So, sure. I guess I'd like to see them in MW2...