Poll: Star Wars The Old Republic -Warcraft contender or just another clone

[Reveras]

What footage were you watching Reveras? As far as I know there isn't much footage out and from what I have seen it looks pretty good. As far as rivaling WoW goes the graphics are freakin stellar IMO. I don't care for the cartoony feel to WoW personally. Gameplay, remains to be seen by me but I am kind of tired of the grind stuff. GW2 has me excited in that venue. Not sure how TOR will fare. (Will keep my fingers crossed.)

There are many and I mean MANY gameplay HD at 1080 on youtube, dailymotion, and presented by themselfs to see. In game graphics they have presented so far are even more cartoonier than WoW, so I hope they take a grittier course with it.

EDIT: Of and remember Cataclysm is coming out soon and it will be amazing, go on youtube and search for Throne of the Tides, Uldum, Deepholme. Those are proof that Blizzard is slowly pushing the graphical style in WoW more than most think.

 

[Space Spoons]

I doubt it's going to be a clone. From what I've seen of it, the gameplay system looks reasonably different. That said, it won't topple WoW. It might do alright for a few months, surviving on the backs of rabid KotoR fans, but I have serious doubts that it'll last any longer than Star Wars Galaxies did.

I've said it before, I'll say it again; Nothing less than World of Starcraft will topple WoW.

 

[Wardnath]

Calling it now; it's the same thing with a different colour.

Honestly, how many times have we heard this "will be bigger than WoW" crap? It's not going to happen, if it does, I'll be proven wrong and I certainly hope I am, but basically until it comes out and completely wrecks WoW's shit, I'll stick to my fallback position of "sod off you tosser". All this talk of extra depth in The Old Republic, great for us who would appreciate it, but for the pre-pubescent masses teabagging people on their Death Knights in their free epics gives all the instant gratification they need.

>implying that the only people on WoW are 12-year-old Death Knights

 

[Flying-Emu]

its like WoW, with jedi.

So ill probably just play Cataclysm since im not that hot on Star Wars anyways.

Though i am looking forward to The Secret World, it looks interesting with its skill based combat and no lvls.

Except it's fully voiced with fully set out storylines and flashpoints? And companions? and Smugglers? and Imperial Agents? 200 hours of story for every class? And 16 advanced classes? I could go on like this but you get the point, generalizing like that makes you look like a poor WoW fanboy.

In any case. TOR doesn't actually have to compete with WoW to be successful, at least not in the traditional sense, there is room for multiple successful MMOs on the market.

If TOR can even make and sustain 2 million subs it will be a massive success.

WoW has had companions since day one. They're the Hunter pets. Who gives a shit about the story? You'll play through it once, get to the endgame, and then what? You'll go through the story again? You'll just want to skip everythign to get to endgame. That's how MMOs work: They either revolve around the endgame or they die. Listing classes really isn't that impressive, since they're ALL built off of standard fantasy/sci-fi archetypes anyways.

200 hours of story? Fascinating. Honestly, I don't like the idea of having to sit through 200 hours of "Go kill this number of Sith" or "Go capture this spaceship" because it's just NOT INTERESTING.

You fawning over ToR doesn't make you seem like any less of a ToR fanboy. And the game's not even out yet. I'm personally going to wait and see, but I do wish that people would realize that it's not nearly as AMAZING as people seem to think it is.

The story aspect, I just realized, is essentially Mass Effect multiplayer with multiplayer. I wonder which Bioware exec came up with that, and how?

Exec 1: Snap guys, ME sold shittons.
Exec 2: Let's make an MMO!
Exec 1: But we're Bioware! We can't do anything but make a good story!
Exec 2: Well... let's use the ME storytelling system and put a story in an MMO!
Exec 1: JOHNSON YOU'RE A GENIUS.

 

[jowo96]

Well its Star Wars and its Bioware so it should atleast have good initial sales. I doubt it will knock World of Warcraft of its throne but if any game has a chance of doing so its this game.

 

[DazBurger]

Most of it looks good... Except the combat. :/


The shooting-part of the combat system looks like its copy-pasted from WoW.

 

[subject_87]

If you get to brutally murder Jar-Jar as many times as you want and/or get to fill in the Gungan's lake with cement, that might sell me on it.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

As I've posted in the last 29 threads with this exact theme, I don't think it has a chance in hell of even coming close to WoW numbers within it's first year. It might hit 2-3 million subs, which is a substantial success if you ask me, but 11.5 million? What a joke.

The game looks good, but NO MMO can rival WoW until WoW dies. You can quote me on that.

 

[PeetyPeencess]

WOW can not be toppled by TOR.

I think the differences are the people who are going to purchase TOR vs. the people who play WOW. A lot of my friends are easily swept away by WOW's accessibility, whereas the Star Wars MMO, you need to be a fan of it to want to buy it. I think the general public is more aware of what WOW is, compared to TOR.

But that aside. I am totally excited for this game.

 

[PeetyPeencess]

WOW can not be toppled by TOR.

I think the differences are the people who are going to purchase TOR vs. the people who play WOW. A lot of my friends are easily swept away by WOW's accessibility, whereas the Star Wars MMO, you need to be a fan of it to want to buy it. I think the general public is more aware of what WOW is, compared to TOR.

But that aside. I am totally excited for this game.

No, I think you'll find more people who know about Star Wars than who know about Warcraft.
TOR isn't just "the old republic". It has the STAR WARS brand backing it up.

I think you make a good and interesting point.

I always thought SWTOR was something for hardcore fans of the Star Wars world, while WOW garnered a more general audience because it seems less complex in terms of story and references. What I mean is that TOR is targeted specifically for Star Wars fans, while WOW isn't really targeted towards a fanbase (please correct me if I'm wrong).

But I definitely underestimated the millions of Star Wars geeks out there who are willing to play TOR, even the non-gamers.

 

[Ascarus]

its like WoW, with jedi.

So ill probably just play Cataclysm since im not that hot on Star Wars anyways.

Though i am looking forward to The Secret World, it looks interesting with its skill based combat and no lvls.

Except it's fully voiced with fully set out storylines and flashpoints? And companions? and Smugglers? and Imperial Agents? 200 hours of story for every class? And 16 advanced classes? I could go on like this but you get the point, generalizing like that makes you look like a poor WoW fanboy.

In any case. TOR doesn't actually have to compete with WoW to be successful, at least not in the traditional sense, there is room for multiple successful MMOs on the market.

If TOR can even make and sustain 2 million subs it will be a massive success.

since you seem to know more than most about this game, maybe you can explain to me how Bioware plans to "prevent" a world where everyone is running around as a Sith or Jedi? Honestly, with the exception of the bounty hunter, none of the other classes is remotely interesting to me.

and an MMO solely populated by force users would not only be boring, it would go against Star Wars dogma that force users were quite rare.

on topic: it's WAY to early to speculate on the impact this will have on WoW. no doubt players will at least temporarily migrate to SW:TOR, but it's hard to stay how long (or even if) they will stay.

 

[spectrenihlus]

It's an mmo made by bioware with Jedi in it.

I think it can take WoW down a notch.

 

[Vaccine]

It'll never touch WoW with impressive storytelling alone, never.

Why? because WoW does both storytelling and gameplay(raid mechanics) very well from my point of view.

I've said this in a few threads about Bioware, I hate them, I really do, hell I even liked Modern Warfare 2 better than most of Biowares titles, because even for a luckluster FPS it understands it's about the activity of being in a game. I don't really like gaming companies being praised for storytelling, because a game should be both when it comes to story and gameplay.

 

[Zing]

Look at the graphics.
Look at the engine.
Look at the way.

It isn't a bad thing, but it's so clearly a WoW clone with a Star Wars theme.

Graphics are stylized to for a different artstyle and to work on a much greater variety of machines.

Engine is the HeroEngine [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeroEngine], developed by Simutronics Corporation. In no way related to WoW.

Not sure what "the way" is.

It isn't clearly a WoW clone, you'd know this if you'd research the game AT ALL.

WoW has had companions since day one. They're the Hunter pets. You'll just want to skip everythign to get to endgame.

You fawning over ToR doesn't make you seem like any less of a ToR fanboy. And the game's not even out yet. I'm personally going to wait and see, but I do wish that people would realize that it's not nearly as AMAZING as people seem to think it is.

The story aspect, I just realized, is essentially Mass Effect multiplayer with multiplayer. I wonder which Bioware exec came up with that, and how?

Two classes in WoW have had generic pets and that's the same thing right? Do Hunter pets have any impact on the story, do they talk to you? Oh right, WoW HAS no story.

Who gives a shit about the story? You'll play through it once, get to the endgame, and then what? You'll go through the story again?

Hundreds of thousands of people already interested in the game? The Star Wars fans who'll play it? The BioWare fans who will play it? The KOTOR fans who'll play it? The MMO fans that are tired of the typical MMO?

That's how MMOs work: They either revolve around the endgame or they die. Listing classes really isn't that impressive, since they're ALL built off of standard fantasy/sci-fi archetypes anyways.

200 hours of story? Fascinating. Honestly, I don't like the idea of having to sit through 200 hours of "Go kill this number of Sith" or "Go capture this spaceship" because it's just NOT INTERESTING.

You talk about innovation, yet you're shooting down the game for attempting to do something completely different, MMOs have not been voiced up to this point because of the time and money that has to go into a game to pull it off. You're in the minority here, you can scream about how much you think 200 hours of story is boring, but the fact is that it's going to bring in far more players then it will push away. And for the record, it's far more well written then "go kill x or capture x". But I suppose you don't care because you're posing a hyperbole to help your argument.

Frankly, I'm glad you won't play TOR, I don't really want ADD man children who can't listen to some dialog and actually enjoy a game.

You can call me a TOR fanboy, and I may be one, but that doesn't make my argument any less valid, so stop the ad hominem and address the argument rather than the source.

since you seem to know more than most about this game, maybe you can explain to me how Bioware plans to "prevent" a world where everyone is running around as a Sith or Jedi? Honestly, with the exception of the bounty hunter, none of the other classes is remotely interesting to me.

and an MMO solely populated by force users would not only be boring, it would go against Star Wars dogma that force users were quite rare.

on topic: it's WAY to early to speculate on the impact this will have on WoW. no doubt players will at least temporarily migrate to SW:TOR, but it's hard to stay how long (or even if) they will stay.

That's just your opinion, many others find those other classes fascinating. I'm going to play a Sith Warrior so I can't talk, but if this poll is anything to go by, the classes will be far more balanced then you thought. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=110337

 

[Naheal]

They aren't intending on beating WoW...

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Dude, chill, all i said it looked like wow, and thats the impression i get.
Voiceovers and Companions are gimicks that dont interest me in the slightest, its an mmo, a week after its out, all the storylines will be on TORhead.com or sth anyways and people are going to theorycraft how to get the best companion, armor, loot, ending, lightsaber or glitch their way to Coruscant.

Bioware since the start didnt understand MMO dynamics, i tried to warn them in an email about their "story driven" mmo, but hey, their call.

If that's what you reckon. I'll be here to say I told you so I guess. "Voiceovers" are a gimmick? It's completely voiced with cutscenes, it's not just "voiceovers". What wouldn't be a "gimmick" to you? Personally having an MMO voiced should be the norm. Story in MMOs has fallen by the wayside and it's made them boring as hell, especially when leveling. TOR changes that. Sure it will be an MMO at end game, but it will still be very different from WoW. Do some research.

And I'm sure your warning email was very helpful to them, I mean it's not like you're completely in the minority and the story aspect has brought a ton of interested players who have never played MMOs before...oh wait.

i can back this up personally, i've seen my friends get into wow and aion and while im happy for them, they look so repetative and boring to me, but with bioware taking their approach to an mmo, i might actually subscribe to this one (which im assuming alot of other non mmo players feel the same) that it might actually be fun to play this mmo

 

[Naheal]

WOW can not be toppled by TOR.

I think the differences are the people who are going to purchase TOR vs. the people who play WOW. A lot of my friends are easily swept away by WOW's accessibility, whereas the Star Wars MMO, you need to be a fan of it to want to buy it. I think the general public is more aware of what WOW is, compared to TOR.

But that aside. I am totally excited for this game.

No, I think you'll find more people who know about Star Wars than who know about Warcraft.
TOR isn't just "the old republic". It has the STAR WARS brand backing it up.

And BioWare. I'll point out that several people that I know are going to be playing it when they despise MMOs in general.

 

[Audemas]

I think that it will rival WoW's popularity, plus Bioware is involved and with their track record of great games I think it may be as popular as WoW.