Poll: Suicide - Your opinion

[Emeli]

See, I think what a lot of people are missing is the fact that you are not the only one affected by your life. We all have friends, family, people who look up to us and care about us. Ending your own life doesn't only affect you, it has a very negative affect on those around you. Thus, I think it's selfish: it's thinking only of ending your own pain, with no thought to how much pain you are causing others.

This isn't really an argument, since you didn't choose to live in the first place. It was forced upon you. Therefore family and friendw ill just have to cope with whatever "bad feelings" they experience because of your death. it is just as forced upon them as life is forced upon everyone.

Why is one "forcing" more right and correct than the other? Tell me that if you can...

That's a little broad, but I mainly agree with you. Saying that a person doesn't choose their own life is only true to some extent, people have the power to dratically alter their own circumstances.

But really, just saying it's selfish because it hurts your family and friends kind of sucks. When I was suicidal many years ago, pretty much the only thought that kept me alive was that my mother would grieve. Other than her, no one really struck a chord with me. I had a lot of friends I knew would be devestated if I died, but they weren't exactly jumping to my aid to keep me alive. If I only speak to someone once a week, a month, a year, and they don't notice or care if I'm in crippling emotional and physical pain, why should I live through it to prevent their grief and preserve their status quo? Them wanting me to go through that for their convenience is selfish.

 

[Thaius]

And I have to say, you can be blunt, that's fine, but try to avoid insulting my parents. We both know what that says about an argument.

I haven't insulted your parents. Im just saying what the real reason behind you were born was, that's all (it's the same for everyone. Procreation is a selfish act, no matter how you look at it, and no matter how much the parents try to outweigh that selfishness by being generous to their children)

All that to say, I'm not saying suicide is intentionally meant to hurt others: I am saying that when someone commits suicide, they know it will have negative consequences on others, but they don't care. That's selfishness.

Are you suicidal? Do you know how a suicidal person thinks? Do you know that they simply don't care about the hurt it will inflict on others?

No you don't. You just assume that they don't care. Which is bullshit really, since the problem most suicidal people have in the first place is the fact that they care too much. It's not like they don't know that it might have negative consequences on others, it's just that often they don't see any other way out. And it doesn't really matter what someone non-suicidal say about it. A sanctimonious: "Well, look at the poor children in africa, they have it a lot worse than you!" won't help the feelings of desperation that a suicidal person is subjected to.

Are you lacking somwhat in the empathy department? I mean, I consider myself being a borderline psycopath, but still it isn't that hard to figure this shit out.

I have to say though, your thoughts on conception as selfish are completely nonsensical. No one wants to commit suicide simply because they hate life itself: they want to commit suicide because of things that are going on in life.

Got any proof for that statement?

My arguments for why conception makes perfect sense are pretty easy to see, but you can't come up with anything better than something so arbitrary as that? A little more effort please.

Being forced to live is not an offense: besides, how can you offend someone when the only other option is to deny them existence in the first place?

Oh yes, it is most certainly an offense. You act upon your own selfish desires with no care at all to how the person being born is feeling about being born. That is a clear breach of respect. That is caring only for your selfish desires to procreate, and not give a shit about the burden of life that you put on the one whose being concieved.

The other option is letting them stay in a non-existent form. In that state they can't care for anything, they are autmatically neutral simply becasue they don't exist. You choose to give them existence and all the burdens that comes with existing.

That is offensive. Which is why it is the fucking DUTY of anyone contemplating parenthood that they MAKE SURE their child has a happy and adequate childhood and feelings of idealism. They didn't ask to be born, the least you can do is making sure that existing doesn't feel like something bad, but rather something nice.

(of course, this is something that A LOT of parents don't give a shit about, since they mistreat their kids on a daily basis. Yet another reason to be the misanthropic guy that I am)

Circumstances within life prompt suicide, not existence itself. Thus, conception has no negative effects on he who is born: how he is raised and how he lives his life is what could eventually lead to a desire to take his life.

Well in that case, suicide could simply be considered that the suicidal person simply goes back to the state he or she was in before being born. They didn't ask to be born and they certainly don't like it, therefore the go back to a state of non-existence by killing themselves.

Perfectly viable reasoning...

...

Okay, this rarely, rarely happens, but I am at a complete loss for words. I literally have no idea what to say to this: it's the kind of thing where it's impossible to logically combat a response so lacking in rational thought in the first place.

So you know what, I withdraw. Doesn't mean you're right, it simply means I have no fricking idea how to talk to someone with such screwed up ideas. I'm sorry, I normally don't back away from a fight, but normally my opponent actually makes sense. Message me if you really have to hear some sort of comeback, and I'll try to do my best.

Good luck with your delusional and disrespectful attitudes toward human life.

 

[Zorg Machine]

if you don't want to live you shouldn't have to.

 

[Tears of Blood]

There's no right answer here. Suicide can be any one of the things in the poll, or a mix thereof. To kill yourself when you are depended on is selfish, to sacrifice yourself for another is honorable, it's wrong most of the time, but can be right under circumstances where you were to save another life. It is considered a viable alternative to some people and not to others, it can be cowardly if you are not willing to face danger and instead off yourself, and it can be brave if you fear death and the afterlife.

To put it most easily, it depends heavily on the circumstances, and that should be obvious to everyone. I'm not sure why this topic even exists.

 

[titanium turtle]

only to avoid tons of inevitable suffering
or before torture to protect something/ someone

 

[Shycte]

Depends.

If you leave your loved ones with the sorrow. It's selfish.

 

[PAGEToap44]

None of them. Suicide is a foolish option.

 

[Shycte]

Depends.

If you leave your loved ones with the sorrow. It's selfish.

And they are not selfish for expecting that person to live an unbearably miserable life just for their sake?

Then you have to ask yourself, where is the line for "an unbearably miserable life"?

Suicide is never the right way out.

 

[Lynx]

I don't consider myself authorized to make that judgement. It's only my decision if it's my life that is to be taken. Ultimately I think it's selfish to even sit here and say "this is right"/"this is wrong".

 

[Seanchaidh]

Depends.

If you leave your loved ones with the sorrow. It's selfish.

And they are not selfish for expecting that person to live an unbearably miserable life just for their sake?

Then you have to ask yourself, where is the line for "an unbearably miserable life"?

Suicide is never the right way out.

This bugs me. Why do you have such a strong opinion without any reason near it?

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

It's neither right or wrong. Your life is yours, do with it what you wish. If you feel that your life is a piece of crap, then you can end it if you want. It's your buisiness and I won't cast a judgement because of it (besides, being dead, I don't think you'd notice).

 

[claumpit]

well, suicide is fairly selfish to be honest. killing yourself will solve all of your problems but leave about 10 times as many for everyone else. Suicide can also lead to the suicide of others due to being so upset. Also, there has been proof/speculation that people about to commit suicide have second thoughts as theyre dyieng or about to die. Plus, peoeple who tend to kill themselves arent always in the right mindset. Death isnt exactly what they want, but since they may be so depressed their actual thought process is fogged. It's like when you talk to someone with low selfesteem and theyre a really good painter and you tell them that they're good and they say "no i suck at painting." It should be obvious they're good at painting to themselves and every1 aroud them, but they still deny it. And they honestly believe they're bad too due to the fact that they cant see the truth.

 

[claumpit]

You shouldn't ahve add a depends option, the indifferent people or peopel who don't want to state their opinion will just click that.

But it's the right answer! "Suicide" doesn't provide sufficient context to make any other judgment reasonable. If a man commits suicide to get away from gambling debts and the arduous task of supporting his family, that's cowardly and selfish. If a man commits suicide to (somehow) save 20 others, that may well be brave. That and a whole host of other examples is why it depends.

if theyre going to save 20 others its not really suicide unless were ina friggin batman movie where he has to kill himself to save the jokers victims.. the funny thing is HE STILL NEVER DOES. suicide in the end is selfish hands down.

 

[Seanchaidh]

You shouldn't ahve add a depends option, the indifferent people or peopel who don't want to state their opinion will just click that.

But it's the right answer! "Suicide" doesn't provide sufficient context to make any other judgment reasonable. If a man commits suicide to get away from gambling debts and the arduous task of supporting his family, that's cowardly and selfish. If a man commits suicide to (somehow) save 20 others, that may well be brave. That and a whole host of other examples is why it depends.

if theyre going to save 20 others its not really suicide unless were ina friggin batman movie where he has to kill himself to save the jokers victims.. the funny thing is HE STILL NEVER DOES. suicide in the end is selfish hands down.

Jumping on a grenade is suicidal. Soldiers have done that to save their comrades. But that's obviously selfish because it's suicide.

 

[Joa_Belgium]

I don't think anyone is capable of judging over someone committing suicide. You have to approach every situation in its context.

People who really mean to commit suicide always isolate themselves from the rest of the world. People who don't, are just looking for attention and act as if they would take their own lives.

 

[Shycte]

Suicide is never the right way out.

Someone should invent a device that prevents little kids like you from posting on the Internet.

What I meant was that Suicide is never something good. It is always better to take care of the problems rather then to just end it.

Suicide is never the right way out.

Someone should invent a device that prevents little kids like you from posting on the Internet.

Depends.

If you leave your loved ones with the sorrow. It's selfish.

And they are not selfish for expecting that person to live an unbearably miserable life just for their sake?

Then you have to ask yourself, where is the line for "an unbearably miserable life"?

Suicide is never the right way out.

This bugs me. Why do you have such a strong opinion without any reason near it?

Because it is sad that people take their lifes?

Hey, I'm not inside every depressed persons brain. I could not possibly know why they would want to commit such a act like suicide.

What I was trying to say was that if you, me or someone else would commit suicide people would be sad. And in my book, that ain't something good. So wouldn't it be better if you were able to work it out, rather then taking your life.

Of course this is rationel thinking, which don't really apply to deppresed persons.

I am sorry if anyone took offense. That was never my intention. My apologises.