Poll: Suicide - Your opinion
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I think it all depends on the situation. In regards to suicide simply because you hate life, that's cowardice, not to mention selfish because while people think they have their loved ones best interests at heart they really don't, because it's all about the person trying to die. Hypothetically, if someone told me to save my own life to save my sister, I would take my own life.
Ah, okay. So this is the result of an evolutionary mindset. Got it. I know I will lose all credibility in your eyes once I say this, as those who believe as I do are usually looked down upon in today's society, but I do not agree with the evolutionary theory. Maybe that's where our differences lie. You believe human life is worth about a much as a dog turd, and I believe it's important. Fact is, your mindset would allow for all sorts of chaos were it widely accepted: for instance, if human life is worth so little, what's wrong with killing one another?Housebroken Lunatic said:
I do not have idealistic illusions, I simply know the truth. And it's not what you think.
cowardly move is wat i believe becuz of the fact that the world has its ups and downs but to think of a stupid word lik suicide has no way of a problem solver on account of the ppls beliefs of mutual death.
Yes.mightybozz said:
But some people want oblivion. In fact in one way I want oblivion as well, even though im scared of it as well. Dying would mean that I lose my aware self completely, something I have worked years to develop and cultivate. But that would be completely shattered once I die, and that is an awful burden to bear.
To know that it's all going to end. And if I had the choice I would rather have not been born at all, because then I wouldn't have to be in this state where im aware of my inevitable demise.
So in a way I both crave and fear oblivion. Which might sound paradoxical, but im a complex person.
However if you're a person that just crave oblivion and doesn't consider the utter demise of your aware self to be that big price to pay, then I can completely relate why you would want to commit suicide, regardless of life being a one shot deal.
And yet you headhunt me, who never said anything negative about people who are sucidal. Exapt the fact that I want to help them but apparently, that's something very bad is your book.hoopyfrood said:
Also, calling people names is never good. In real life or on a forum. It makes you look stupid.
I think it's stupid to behonest, I mean there are times were it's understandable like say your captured by a group of people who are going to rape and torture you to death then yes suicide may be a quicker less painful alternative. However a lot of people these days especially confused young teens do it for attention, so that they will be in the news papers (although it has been less frequent since the 80's) which is a little stupid to me but I've seen people have these thoughts go through there heads and well it's just pathetic if you ask me. However again there are some excuses were suicide is understandble a man who's lost his wife,kids, house, car, job and everything else may be in a suicidal state of mind and I can't blame him. What does annoy me though is those kids who get bullied a little or maybe even a lot at school and they decide suicide is the best alternative... it isn't take it from a kid who was bullied at school, suicide isn't going to solve anything your just going to let the bullies win that way, a couple hard years in life aren't worth throwing the whole 70,80 years you've got left away.
And you had the nerve to call me "irrational". At least I can back up most of what im saying with some sort of proof. But humour me, can you prove that a human life is worth more than a dog turd?Thaius said:
Who measure's this worth? You? God? The universe? A flying spaghetti monster?
It doesn't matter if a dog turd is stepped on or if a human life is snuffed out. The earth will still revolve around the sun like it has always done. In fact, it would do this even if mankind as a species was entirely snuffed out altogether.
Fact: The worth of human life or any life for that matter is an entirely subjective matter, invented by the individual. In reality it holds no real value. Your belief that human life is more woth than a dog's life won't make a human plummet any slower to it's death than the dog if they were both hurled off a great height. That's just how things are.
And no there isn't anything inherently wrong with killing other people. It's just that most people don't like living under the constant threat of being killed by others, that's why they have come to an agreement that killing should be illegal.
And what you say about my realistic nihilism isn't inherently true either. I haven't killed anyone in my life (although I have been engaged in fights where I came damn close doing it), and I have had this attitude and state of mind for a very long time. Mostly because I don't feel like risking jailtime, since I prefer to be able to do do what I want instead of being locked up in a cell if I can help it. But that doesn't mean that I think killing others is inherently wrong. Everything will go on just as usual, no matter how many people are killed.
Now if we compare our two points of view here, it's quite easy to see who of us is the idealist.
In fact, claiming that human life or any life for that matter has an objective inherent value is in itself idealistic...
Calm down Pennywise I've read some of this posters messages and I've reported him/her/it and I'm sure a good few of us have so just kick back (or Float)and wait for a moderator to show up and kick him, just don't feed the troll or get agitated, simple ignore his posts before you get your self wound upShycte said:
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Stop sending me PM's to ban hoopyfrood, not only does the report button work just fine, but I think it's safe to assume that I've seen the thread if I've posted in it. And besides, i'm not going to ban someone for kneejerk intolerances or insulting moral absolutes, because then i'd have to ban the majority of this thread.
I'm issuing warnings to the offenders here, and from this point onwards i'll be punishing needless and offensive ad hominem, but given the subject matter of this thread and the attitudes within it, i'm not going to blame people for becoming highly passionate prior to this point. All I can say is that if you have had any experience with Suicide or major depression, then this thread and the comments that fill it can be more insulting than any of the harsh words or slanders used here.
As always, think before you post.
EDIT: This thread isn't locked, you know
I'm issuing warnings to the offenders here, and from this point onwards i'll be punishing needless and offensive ad hominem, but given the subject matter of this thread and the attitudes within it, i'm not going to blame people for becoming highly passionate prior to this point. All I can say is that if you have had any experience with Suicide or major depression, then this thread and the comments that fill it can be more insulting than any of the harsh words or slanders used here.
As always, think before you post.
EDIT: This thread isn't locked, you know
There's no option for boredom curing.
People who commit suicide feel like they've done everything they could do and just want to give up purely because they couldn't do anymore and feel satisfied with the result. At the end of every day they only thing you haven't done is die and at that point people want to know what it's like...
... Of course there's no way of knowing what it's like after death but in the end they won't care.
People who commit suicide feel like they've done everything they could do and just want to give up purely because they couldn't do anymore and feel satisfied with the result. At the end of every day they only thing you haven't done is die and at that point people want to know what it's like...
... Of course there's no way of knowing what it's like after death but in the end they won't care.
