Poll: Suicide - Your opinion

[Godavari]

Suicide is never a viable option. Life is your most valuable posession. I don't believe in afterlife, and I would have to say that even if I were a vegetable I'd still want to be kept alive for as long as possible. Living Hell is better than infinite unconsciousness.

 

[Insanum]

Suicide is never a viable option. Life is your most valuable posession. I don't believe in afterlife, and I would have to say that even if I were a vegetable I'd still want to be kept alive for as long as possible. Living Hell is better than infinite unconsciousness.

But thats the thing. If you've ever passed out all you know is that you dont know anything during that time.

I passed out about 7 month ago, All i remember was i was stood in the bathroom, Next thing i know im lay on the floor, And my brother is stood over me asking me if im ok. Dont remember falling or nothing. I have a feeling thats what death is like. Its the absence of anything, But i wouldn't feel it or care.

 

[magnuslion]

cowardly, selfish and wrong. it is not a solution to anything.

 

[KarumaK]

Cowardly? Yes, Selfish? Yes.

But that's irrelevant because many things are cowardly and selfish. Suicide is not supposed to benefit anyone but the suicid..ee in most cases. It's still an alternative if you need an out. But it's one way so, get your shit straight before you go. Wills are required.

That said, I think I'd want anyone contemplating suicide to get that shit over with already. Your using up useful resources you apparently don't want so hurry up. You'll get no sympathy from me.

 

[steelguy17]

I consider it a selfish act, because when they do it they are only thinking about themselves and their problems. It causes more problems than anything and it leaves very many people sad and heartbroken. I know this personally cause i have had two people I know commit suicide one, one of my best friends, when I was in middle school, and another recently someone I knew but not particularly well. I have been able to see how much pain his suicide has caused others and it is just very sad. I still miss my friend from middle school everyday

 

[Bat Vader]

Didn't you say once that you did not like people for committing suicide because they got the last laugh?

In my opinion if someone wants to kill themselves I say let them. As long as they don't physically hurt others.

Hmm...that does sound like something I'd say.

But that pain is alleviated by a note (unless, of course, they blame me for something.)

It was something like that.

 

[Icehearted]

Okay, devil's advocate time again:

I don't see how it's cowardly unless it's used as a means of escaping consequences for criminal behavior, such as those Nazis going on cyanide diets when the noose became imminent.

Is putting a loaded gun in your mouth with intent on dying less brave than putting the gun down and walking away? Is it really beneficial for the severely mentally ill, those who have been abused or suffer irreparable trauma, those who are terminally ill and will only suffer for the rest of their short lives to fight in futility for the sake of suffering?

I can promise you that a person that is suicidal is often not thinking about only themselves. I can assure you that a person that is suicidal will often view their continued life as a burden on others, even society.

If I had stomach cancer, only a month to live, and guaranteed pain on levels that are unimaginable, would it be selfish for me to want to die because it might make others sad? That just makes no sense to me.

On top of which our population is growing, there is not enough to go around because capitalism demands that the few that are successful thrive while the average to poor masses dwindle into and existence where quality of life becomes irrelevant, and merely surviving to be a peon and serve their gains is all that matters.

If anything, I have a hard time seeing this for it's flaws, especially in this day and age.

Do you really want the poor, the sick, and the underwhelming costing you money and employment opportunities with their continued lives? Would not suicide be a better alternative than the mentally ill spreading and repopulating society with their children, which will again do the same themselves someday?

 

[Insanum]

Okay, devil's advocate time again:

I don't see how it's cowardly unless it's used as a means of escaping consequences for criminal behavior, such as those Nazis going on cyanide diets when the noose became imminent.

Is putting a loaded gun in your mouth with intent on dying less brave than putting the gun down and walking away? Is it really beneficial for the severely mentally ill, those who have been abused or suffer irreparable trauma, those who are terminally ill and will only suffer for the rest of their short lives to fight in futility for the sake of suffering?

I can promise you that a person that is suicidal is often not thinking about only themselves. I can assure you that a person that is suicidal will often view their continued life as a burden on others, even society.

If I had stomach cancer, only a month to live, and guaranteed pain on levels that are unimaginable, would it be selfish for me to want to die because it might make others sad? That just makes no sense to me.

On top of which our population is growing, there is not enough to go around because capitalism demands that the few that are successful thrive while the average to poor masses dwindle into and existence where quality of life becomes irrelevant, and merely surviving to be a peon and serve their gains is all that matters.

If anything, I have a hard time seeing this for it's flaws, especially in this day and age.

Do you really want the poor, the sick, and the underwhelming costing you money and employment opportunities with their continued lives? Would not suicide be a better alternative than the mentally ill spreading and repopulating society with their children, which will again do the same themselves someday?

Very well said. I couldn't of said it better myself.

 

[TMAN10112]

I contemplated suicide once.

I was several months into a bad depression, hated everyone around me (especially my family), and just didn't feel the urge to live anymore.

Luckily, no matter how much I hated them at the time, I couldn't bring myself to hurt them like that, and decided to improve myself rather then end everything I could be (which started the ascent out of the worst depression of my life).

My view on suicide: It has to be taken on a case-by-case basis, but is usually the worst option due to the emotional pain it causes to anyone close to the person taking their life.

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

A interesting side note: The Mayans had a goddess for people who committed suicide. Nor was there any negative consequences or thoughts to it, they just considered it a death like any other.

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

I agree with you completely with that. If you are deathly ill or have suffered brain damage or something along those lines than yeah, I wouldn't judge you for commiting suicide. But emotional issues are something you can fix, not necessarily very easily but they are still mendable. Regardless of how bad you feel about your life there's at least a few people who value it.

 

[lizards]

If you have a horrible disease or condition which makes your lie agony then I support suicide, but if your doing it just because your life sucks or because you lost someone then your stupid, there's no valid reason to do.

I just have to ask you guys who keep coming with responses invoking "valid reasons". Tell me: could you mention any objective valid reasons to live?

(Im just curious)

Valid reasons? To enjoy life, to be happy, to fall in love, to experience the greatest high and best lows, to give life to the world, to change the lives of others, to hike 10 miles to a lake in the rain to eat icecream and enjoy the view, there are countless reasons to live and enjoy life, to throw that all away just because say your parents split up or you've failed all your goals in the short term is just plain stupid.

dont be so damn thick if a person is ready to commit sucide they are either mentally ill, very depressed, or like me just have never been happy and while most people are strong enough to resist it some arent and to say that its a selfish act or a cowardice act is a true sign of an moron

people dont just get it the intense sadness that runs through you every day until you cant take it anymore the fact that you no longer enjoy life and the fact that you are just overall depressed and if you think that they are a coward or whatever for wanting that to end then i would ask you to step outside and try it out because the people that say its a coward have never had such intense hate for life

use war as an example some people are right up their fighting and killing the other people while some are just staying back trying to not get killed and others are screaming in terror and those people that are screaming in terror are the ones that cant take it and just want to end it and you have no right or ability to say anything other than "i understand" or "i pity them"

and i dont know why you feel that you have the right to tell them they cant anyways my right to take me life is just as valid as yours to post on the internet

 

[lizards]

Suicide is an end to life. I see no evidence for an afterlife, so ending your life is ending everything you can ever be and experience. It would have been nice to have an option in the poll saying "bloody stupid".
If someone wants to kill themselves then society needs to stop them and help them improve their life, out of simple humanitarian feeling. The only exception would be where the rest of your life is guaranteed to be painful and degrading, hence I support euthanasia for the terminally ill.

so you expect society to drop everything to go and help people who might not even want help? you also believe that wars bring nothing good and that people are all kind at heart and want to do the right thing, right?

and what about those like myself who even while doing the things that make him happy dont even seem to cure the sadness that hovers over them like a fucking cloud

the bottom line is some people are just never happy and saying that sucide is wrong is like saying that people who have TV is wrong

 

[Cali0602]

My unit is doing a bunch of briefs Marine Corps wide about suicide awareness and I'll tell you all the same thing I told the people giving the briefs.

"It is a screening process. Do not remove it!"

 

[Insanum]

My unit is doing a bunch of briefs Marine Corps wide about suicide awareness and I'll tell you all the same thing I told the people giving the briefs.

"It is a screening process. Do not remove it!"

Slightly Confused - Could you elaborate?

 

[mshcherbatskaya]

I'll be very up front about this - I've spent probably 10% of my life in various stages of suicidality, something I thankfully no longer suffer. Of course, there are many reasons why people might commit suicide, but I think calling suicide "cowardly" is not wrong so much as it is entirely missing the point. When you reach the point where you really, really are ready to do it, you really aren't living in the same world as everyone else anymore, and ordinary, normal means of perceiving the future don't exist. I don't know how else to put it except to say that, by the time a person gets to that point, it doesn't feel like suicide is a decision the person gets to make for themselves, any more than the rising and setting of the sun is a decision they get to make. It doesn't feel like it's something you are going to do, it feels like it's something that is just going to happen, and the only choice you have is "how", not "if."

EDIT: Based on my experiences, I think a lot of the "cry for help" or attention-getting suicides are actually mislabeled. It is possible to feel like you have no choice about whether or not you commit suicide even if you don't want to die. For some people, the only way to get out of intrusive suicidal thoughts [http://vicarioustherapy.blogspot.com/2009/09/diary-of-obsessive-or-intrusive.html] is to try to do it. If you don't actually want to die, you do a bad job of it so you can be retrieved. This may not make any sense to anyone whose never felt genuinely out of control in some fashion, but I was ready to kill myself just so I could stop compulsively thinking of killing myself.

 

[Lord George]

If you have a horrible disease or condition which makes your lie agony then I support suicide, but if your doing it just because your life sucks or because you lost someone then your stupid, there's no valid reason to do.

I just have to ask you guys who keep coming with responses invoking "valid reasons". Tell me: could you mention any objective valid reasons to live?

(Im just curious)

Valid reasons? To enjoy life, to be happy, to fall in love, to experience the greatest high and best lows, to give life to the world, to change the lives of others, to hike 10 miles to a lake in the rain to eat icecream and enjoy the view, there are countless reasons to live and enjoy life, to throw that all away just because say your parents split up or you've failed all your goals in the short term is just plain stupid.

dont be so damn thick if a person is ready to commit sucide they are either mentally ill, very depressed, or like me just have never been happy and while most people are strong enough to resist it some arent and to say that its a selfish act or a cowardice act is a true sign of an moron

people dont just get it the intense sadness that runs through you every day until you cant take it anymore the fact that you no longer enjoy life and the fact that you are just overall depressed and if you think that they are a coward or whatever for wanting that to end then i would ask you to step outside and try it out because the people that say its a coward have never had such intense hate for life

use war as an example some people are right up their fighting and killing the other people while some are just staying back trying to not get killed and others are screaming in terror and those people that are screaming in terror are the ones that cant take it and just want to end it and you have no right or ability to say anything other than "i understand" or "i pity them"

and i dont know why you feel that you have the right to tell them they cant anyways my right to take me life is just as valid as yours to post on the internet

I have already said I believe its the right for someone to commit suicide if they wish but I still don't agree with it and will still view it as a stupid action in most cases, many people (mostly teenagers) have no real perspective on life and see their life as this horrible sadness when they in fact live in a first world country with all the freedom to change their life around if they really wish, but they see their girlfriend leave them or everything goes to shit and they just want to get out, but life is like that, its hard and shit happens, you pick yourself up and you change your situation, if that fails then you keep trying until it works, its not like you've got anything to lose if your already considering death. If you feel depressed go see a doctor or psychologist and talk through your problems, sort out any stuff in your life and I'm sure things will get better just because they don't look so good in the present.

 

[Demonraiser]

To all the people that say it is cowardly think about someone who has a terminal disease. If they're going to die in 6 months, but can't keep the pain under control and it becomes unbearable, will you go up to them and say "It's wrong to kill yourself" as they sit there in agonizing pain? The only time suicide is right is when they WILL die no matter what else happens.

 

[Kenjitsuka]

My unit is doing a bunch of briefs Marine Corps wide about suicide awareness and I'll tell you all the same thing I told the people giving the briefs.

"It is a screening process. Do not remove it!"

Slightly Confused - Could you elaborate?

I'm also confused. Maybe he meant "if someone wants to die that is a Darwinian thing that weeds out people with too severe mental or physical ilnesses"?

I guess for the Marines it's logical to not want people backing them in combat who are suicidal. They need to count on peeps wanting to stay alive, so they will continue to cover their backs.

 

[Kinguendo]

There's nothing funnier than paranoid troll hunters who are so obsessed with finding trolls that they derail the thread in the process. Soon enough the thread is no longer about its intended subject, but devolves into an argument about who's supposedly trolling. Seen it happen a million times and it never gets old. The troll hunters never even realize that they're just chasing their own tails.

Oh, I wouldnt worry about that. We arent searching for a Troll here... we know its you.

See, that's the joke: it isn't me. It isn't anyone except yourselves. People like you are today's most disruptive trolls, except you don't even realize you're trolls.

So opinions are overrated now?

Opinions are overrated because people think that they can spout whatever retarded bullshit they want to and they're somehow shielded from criticism and attacks because "it's just, like, my opinion, man."

Because you beileve that you are 100 % correct and everyone else is wrong. Yeah, that's more like it.

I am correct.

But you need to be more tolerant.

Yeah, because people who call suiciders cowards and idiots are so incredibly tolerant.

Firstly, everything below your first quote isnt me... so why did you put my name? Get you act together boyo!

and finally, we are trolling are we? Look who got suspended... was it you? Why yes, yes it was.