Poll: Suicide - Your opinion

[Bat Vader]

Suicide is the most selfish act a person can commit. They never think of the people around them, and are self centred pricks.

I have asked this question three times in this thread and noone has bothered to answer it yet. Isn't it selfish of those around the suicidal person to basically say, "Just learn to deal with your horrible physical/emotional pain because I don't want you to make ME sad"?

Yes it is, but most people with a shred of pity won't say that. I supported a friend of mine for 2 years, he called me nearly every night at all hours, and I always had time for him, and then he goes and does it anyway! Selfish, no other word for it!

I agree with Insanum's reply; do you consider even for a second what kind of agony he had to be in to end his life? I figured most of the people in this thread have no clue the extent of pain it takes to think death is the best answer. But you should, if you tried to help him for so long. I'm sorry for your loss, but would you really rather he still be here, suffering, so you didn't have to go through what you did?

His selfishness has nothing to do with how I feel. The fact is, he had two children under 10. Are you saying he wasn't selfish, leaving two kids like that?

Whether it is selfish or not we cannot place blame upon those who have committed suicide unless we have committed it ourselves.

 

[Jurassic Rob]

Suicide is the most selfish act a person can commit. They never think of the people around them, and are self centred pricks.

I have asked this question three times in this thread and noone has bothered to answer it yet. Isn't it selfish of those around the suicidal person to basically say, "Just learn to deal with your horrible physical/emotional pain because I don't want you to make ME sad"?

Yes it is, but most people with a shred of pity won't say that. I supported a friend of mine for 2 years, he called me nearly every night at all hours, and I always had time for him, and then he goes and does it anyway! Selfish, no other word for it!

I agree with Insanum's reply; do you consider even for a second what kind of agony he had to be in to end his life? I figured most of the people in this thread have no clue the extent of pain it takes to think death is the best answer. But you should, if you tried to help him for so long. I'm sorry for your loss, but would you really rather he still be here, suffering, so you didn't have to go through what you did?

His selfishness has nothing to do with how I feel. The fact is, he had two children under 10. Are you saying he wasn't selfish, leaving two kids like that?

Kids weren't mentioned before. What we were saying was that dont you think it was a tad selfish to begrudge your friend for what he has done?

No. I can understand your point, if it was just about me and my friend, but when there's kids involved then no. If he did not have kids, then I would agree with you fully.

 

[stabnex]

SAMURAI STYLE, *****!! AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

No seriously, it's a matter of cultural views. In Japan, it's viewed as an honorable thing when you've become a burden to your family, in America for some reason it's viewed as damnation. The contrasts between cultures is a little jarring and I for one think it's just a braindead waste of time and effort.

 

[Insanum]

Suicide is the most selfish act a person can commit. They never think of the people around them, and are self centred pricks.

I have asked this question three times in this thread and noone has bothered to answer it yet. Isn't it selfish of those around the suicidal person to basically say, "Just learn to deal with your horrible physical/emotional pain because I don't want you to make ME sad"?

Yes it is, but most people with a shred of pity won't say that. I supported a friend of mine for 2 years, he called me nearly every night at all hours, and I always had time for him, and then he goes and does it anyway! Selfish, no other word for it!

I agree with Insanum's reply; do you consider even for a second what kind of agony he had to be in to end his life? I figured most of the people in this thread have no clue the extent of pain it takes to think death is the best answer. But you should, if you tried to help him for so long. I'm sorry for your loss, but would you really rather he still be here, suffering, so you didn't have to go through what you did?

His selfishness has nothing to do with how I feel. The fact is, he had two children under 10. Are you saying he wasn't selfish, leaving two kids like that?

Kids weren't mentioned before. What we were saying was that dont you think it was a tad selfish to begrudge your friend for what he has done?

No. I can understand your point, if it was just about me and my friend, but when there's kids involved then no. If he did not have kids, then I would agree with you fully.

Its on a whole new level really when you have Dependants. Usually Suicide rates go up around Christmas, With people feeling alone & stuff.

 

[wikicated]

this sums what i got on the subject of suicide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RlODBQilns&feature=PlayList&p=A1ADD3CF986914A1&index=0
ph3@r m@h laZy
dont know what to vote so yeah

 

[Ultrajoe]

I'll be very up front about this - I've spent probably 10% of my life in various stages of suicidality, something I thankfully no longer suffer. Of course, there are many reasons why people might commit suicide, but I think calling suicide "cowardly" is not wrong so much as it is entirely missing the point. When you reach the point where you really, really are ready to do it, you really aren't living in the same world as everyone else anymore, and ordinary, normal means of perceiving the future don't exist. I don't know how else to put it except to say that, by the time a person gets to that point, it doesn't feel like suicide is a decision the person gets to make for themselves, any more than the rising and setting of the sun is a decision they get to make. It doesn't feel like it's something you are going to do, it feels like it's something that is just going to happen, and the only choice you have is "how", not "if."

EDIT: Based on my experiences, I think a lot of the "cry for help" or attention-getting suicides are actually mislabeled. It is possible to feel like you have no choice about whether or not you commit suicide even if you don't want to die. For some people, the only way to get out of intrusive suicidal thoughts [http://vicarioustherapy.blogspot.com/2009/09/diary-of-obsessive-or-intrusive.html] is to try to do it. If you don't actually want to die, you do a bad job of it so you can be retrieved. This may not make any sense to anyone whose never felt genuinely out of control in some fashion, but I was ready to kill myself just so I could stop compulsively thinking of killing myself.

Does the mentality behind it vary depending on the cause of depression? Or does the source of the stress trigger the same 'Inevitable' process no matter what it may be? I do know that the method of suicide can vary depending on the persons attitudes or the circumstances of their anguish, but does the actual path of the downward spiral change? I have more than one friend with depression, but their symptom is rarely caused by the same illness. I don't think any of them is at risk of suicide, but it has made me aware of the great deal of variation present when dealing with the blanket term 'Depression'.

 

[Nohra]

{x} Only in games.

 

[Insanum]

{x} Only in games.

Your post confuses me...

 

[mshcherbatskaya]

I really want to a

I'll be very up front about this - I've spent probably 10% of my life in various stages of suicidality, something I thankfully no longer suffer. Of course, there are many reasons why people might commit suicide, but I think calling suicide "cowardly" is not wrong so much as it is entirely missing the point. When you reach the point where you really, really are ready to do it, you really aren't living in the same world as everyone else anymore, and ordinary, normal means of perceiving the future don't exist. I don't know how else to put it except to say that, by the time a person gets to that point, it doesn't feel like suicide is a decision the person gets to make for themselves, any more than the rising and setting of the sun is a decision they get to make. It doesn't feel like it's something you are going to do, it feels like it's something that is just going to happen, and the only choice you have is "how", not "if."

EDIT: Based on my experiences, I think a lot of the "cry for help" or attention-getting suicides are actually mislabeled. It is possible to feel like you have no choice about whether or not you commit suicide even if you don't want to die. For some people, the only way to get out of intrusive suicidal thoughts [http://vicarioustherapy.blogspot.com/2009/09/diary-of-obsessive-or-intrusive.html] is to try to do it. If you don't actually want to die, you do a bad job of it so you can be retrieved. This may not make any sense to anyone whose never felt genuinely out of control in some fashion, but I was ready to kill myself just so I could stop compulsively thinking of killing myself.

Does the mentality behind it vary depending on the cause of depression? Or does the source of the stress trigger the same 'Inevitable' process no matter what it may be? I do know that the method of suicide can vary depending on the persons attitudes or the circumstances of their anguish, but does the actual path of the downward spiral change? I have more than one friend with depression, but their symptom is rarely caused by the same illness. I don't think any of them is at risk of suicide, but it has made me aware of the great deal of variation present when dealing with the blanket term 'Depression'.

I really want to answer this question but I am tired and my brain is really soggy. I wish I could post a chat transcript with a friend. We talked about all this stuff.

 

[starbob84]

Most people who try suicide and fail (like blowing half their face) are glad that didn't die

 

[T3h Camp3r T3rr0r1st]

riding a nuclear missile onto a bunch of hippies in the most populated city in the world!

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Well, If say for example we were good friends. You felt suicidal, And i thought you were being selfish only thinking of you BUT the flip side of the argument - Im thinking about my feelings if you went through with it ~ Being selfish?

Which just further my point I made earlier in the thread that EVERYTHING man does or think always bottles down to selfishness of some sort.

So no one can really argue that suicidal people are bad becuase they are selfish. The person saying it is just as selfish as the suicidal person anyway so they can't claim any sort of moral high ground...

 

[vampirekid.13]

i cant help but step in this thread to point out the hypocracy of a lot of people.


now,a lot of you said suicide is cowardly.


well do you have the courage to kill yourself? no? then someone who does is less cowardly than you are they not?

and to people saying its selfish, i didnt realize doing something one wants with ones life is selfish.

other things that are selfish include: anything you get pleasure from! woohoo.


yea i think im done.

suicide is fine, nerf anti-suicide laws.

 

[NeedAUserName]

People have the right to live, they should have the right to die when they want too to.

 

[Emilin_Rose]

It depends entirely on circumstance. I've read more than one case of teenagers faking attempts at suicide for materialistic gains. Of course when this goes awry and they end up in a hospital or dead, i really couldn't care less.

On the other hand, there are people who are going through a lot of hard times, and truly think they'd be better off. I'm sympathetic to people like this, and always try to help if i can. These people believe that death is a better alternative to moving in with an abusive parent because their other parent is sick/dead.

Then there are people who truly are better off no matter what anyone says. Situations like this i can understand suicide. Like it or not there are people who suffer too much, physically or emotionally. Like when you need a heart transplant but you can't be put on the list because your insurance won't pay for it and you could never afford it. Or if you're raped by a parent for several years and no one believes you no matter what you say and you can't go anywhere.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Suicide is the most selfish act a person can commit. They never think of the people around them, and are self centred pricks.

How dare people think of themselves about matters chiefly concerning themselves.

 

[Insanum]

Well, If say for example we were good friends. You felt suicidal, And i thought you were being selfish only thinking of you BUT the flip side of the argument - Im thinking about my feelings if you went through with it ~ Being selfish?

Which just further my point I made earlier in the thread that EVERYTHING man does or think always bottles down to selfishness of some sort.

So no one can really argue that suicidal people are bad becuase they are selfish. The person saying it is just as selfish as the suicidal person anyway so they can't claim any sort of moral high ground...

Bingo. Couldn't have said it any better myself.

 

[Jurassic Rob]

Suicide is the most selfish act a person can commit. They never think of the people around them, and are self centred pricks.

How dare people think of themselves about matters chiefly concerning themselves.

Yes, imagine how unreasonable I am, when a friend of mine killed himself leaving his two children, both under 10 without a Dad!

 

[Seanchaidh]

Suicide is the most selfish act a person can commit. They never think of the people around them, and are self centred pricks.

How dare people think of themselves about matters chiefly concerning themselves.

Yes, imagine how unreasonable I am, when a friend of mine killed himself leaving his two children, both under 10 without a Dad!

Well you certainly aren't biased!