Poll: Suicide - Your opinion

[Stephanos132]

To me it depends on both situation and method of self-execution. For example, I consider it quite selfish for someone to throw themselves in front of an oncoming lorry/train, because it causes unnecessary inconvenience (and, for the witnesses and drivers, unnecessary trauma), and for what exactly? What point do those who do it or consider it hope to make?

The counterpoint would be for those who are destined to die anyway, and painfully, which seems to be why the Dignitas clinic in Switzerland exists. I wouldn't begrudge them wanting to go peacefully while they can still make a rational decision, and it would probably be better for the family and friends than seeing them suffer more in the long run.

Well, that's my opinion, which is what was asked for, yes?

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

Because most people say "dead for eternity" because they don't know what lies beyond. Some people commit suicide to chance life after death, which is quite the gamble.

But still, IMO if you still have your health, I can't justify you hanging from the noose. Some might give me an example, but say I was crossing a bridge and you were about to jump, and you told me why, would I say "Yeah, you're right, I guess you should jump"? Fuck no.

Hehe, then I guess you're a more idealistic person than I am.

If I was walking across a bridge and saw someone ready to jump, I'd just say:

"Well jump then motherf*cker! Die with some dignity and prove to me that you're not just another whiny b*tch whose craving attention!"

... Or rather I'd ask them if I can have the money in their wallet first. (it's not like they're gonna need it where they are going now is it?)

You live with dignity, you don't die with it.

Wait, did you put afterlife and scientific fact in the same sentence? Lay off the crack. And I've just realised that this would derail the thread rather badly, and we don't need another religion argument mehtinks.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

To me it depends on both situation and method of self-execution. For example, I consider it quite selfish for someone to throw themselves in front of an oncoming lorry/train, because it causes unnecessary inconvenience (and, for the witnesses and drivers, unnecessary trauma), and for what exactly? What point do those who do it or consider it hope to make?

Hehe, yeah that's quite indecent of them. It's like that bandmember of this Norwegian black metal band called "Mayhem" who blew his head to pieces with a shotgun. But at least he had the decency to leave a note saying: "Excuse the blood..."

I might be a morbid bastard but that must be the most funny suicide note ever. XD

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

You live with dignity, you don't die with it.

Wait, did you put afterlife and scientific fact in the same sentence? Lay off the crack. And I've just realised that this would derail the thread rather badly, and we don't need another religion argument mehtinks.

I won't bring any religion into the matter if you won't.

Wait, did YOU just our the words "religion" and "argument" in the same scentence? Now whose hitting the crack-pipe?

 

[Ace of Spades]

I will never commit suicide for the same reason I will never quit a game half-way through and never play it again. I spent a lot of time becoming who I am, and it is NOT going to be for nothing. I look at it as cowardly. If it gets hard, then you revise your strategy; if something horrible happens, you persevere.

 

[Deadarm]

The only way in which I condone suicide is if you are already going to die a slow painful death from a disease.

 

[Insanum]

I said cowardice, for I believe (In honesty) That it is an act of cowardice.

However, I am somewhat confused on the subject. It is an act of cowardice to kill yourself, true, but it is also an act of cowardice to run away from something that will kill you. Now that is a fucked up metaphor, to be sure, however... Well, Sometimes it seems like the only option. When you have hit the lowest of the low, when you think there is nothing that could make you sadder and yet something DOES, sometimes it just seems tempting.

And as a self declared coward who tried to kill themselves after things got too bad for me, well... I know what this shit is like. From the outside it can seem that nothing is wrong with the individual. You can simply look at them and think "Life could be worse, cheer up". But no matter how small it seems to you, it could mean the world to them.

Its an act of confused cowardice, cowardly bravery, to try and kill yourself.
But its an act of hatred to claim that its wrong or selfish. You cannot impose your morals on the life of someone else, you cannot COMPARE any two situations. Thats the simple truth. To insult someone who has tried by saying its "Pointless" and "Stupid" is an unforgiveable act.

Agreed, Its like saying "war is stupid" - in theory, Yes, it may seem frivolous to others, But at the time it was all that people thought of.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

You live with dignity, you don't die with it.

Wait, did you put afterlife and scientific fact in the same sentence? Lay off the crack. And I've just realised that this would derail the thread rather badly, and we don't need another religion argument mehtinks.

I won't bring any religion into the matter if you won't.

Wait, did YOU just our the words "religion" and "argument" in the same scentence? Now whose hitting the crack-pipe?

Hey, I can stop at any time!

 

[Stalk3rchief]

I would only even consider killing myself if
A. I was diagnosed with incurable cancer
b. I was [for some reason] going to be tortured by some foreign government
C. If I was the last man alive.

 

[Stephanos132]

To me it depends on both situation and method of self-execution. For example, I consider it quite selfish for someone to throw themselves in front of an oncoming lorry/train, because it causes unnecessary inconvenience (and, for the witnesses and drivers, unnecessary trauma), and for what exactly? What point do those who do it or consider it hope to make?

Hehe, yeah that's quite indecent of them. It's like that bandmember of this Norwegian black metal band called "Mayhem" who blew his head to pieces with a shotgun. But at least he had the decency to leave a note saying: "Excuse the blood..."

I might be a morbid bastard but that must be the most funny suicide note ever. XD

That is actually quite funny. I guess he took the saying 'When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite' to a more personal level.

 

[T5seconds]

Bah all things aside I think suicide is stupid if you?re going to end it go out productively like go to war, sell all vital organs and such whatever seems like a respectable cause just because your life will be shit for 5 more weeks doesn?t mean that you can?t do it infact it might give you something to live for.

 

[Nalarion]

i think its the wrong thing to do, period ... its selfish, cowardly and stupid, ive lost to many members of my family to suicide

 

[Chipperz]

Something bad has just happen, let's say you've lost your job. You can't pay the rent, your family thinks you've screwed up. No, worse than that, you're a burden, borrowing money from your parents when they could be putting it towards a retirement fund. You could get a new job, but you have no marketable skills. You could go to learn more, but that costs money. Money you're already draining from your family. You can't ask for more. Besides, you fuck up everything you've ever tried, how would this be anything different? You can't spend time with your friends any more because they think you're "a downer". Hell, they hate you too, they're just pretending to be nice. They're pitying the poor depressed loser. Hell, you owe some of them cash too, you'll never be able to pay them back.

You can make one positive gesture, go to a tall building, a bridge or something. You jump off and your parent's money is their's again. Hell, they'll get your life insurance, and they can sell off what little crap you have! Your friends can stop pitying you and get back to doing what they enjoy instead. Also, falling off a tall building headfirst is easy, even you can't fuck that up.

Yeah, in the mind of someone truly depressed, staying alive is infinitely more selfish than finishing yourself off. Only reason I'm still alive is, at the time when I almost killed myself (different circumstances, that up there was hypothetical), I was too much of a coward to finish it all.

A nerdy annecdote: Life's a game on "hard" settings, and you're the coward who quits, leaving your team one man down and alone, you sap

Ever kicked a team member because he sucks?

 

[Zacharine]

Depends is my answer.

Euthanasia or assisted suicide I'm not going to touch upon. I will be assuming that the person doing the suicide is healthy and young to middle-aged.

Most of the time I'd say suicide is cowardly, selfish and idiotic. Those who cared about the person who cuicided himself will be suffering and missing him. The suicide didn't solve any problems. The person was simply too weak to handle life and, instead of trying to better it and work through whatever problems he/she might have had, decided to give up. From my point of view, that is stupidity in extreme. Understandable stupidity, but idiotic nonetheless.

But conceivably there could be cases where it would be acceptable and even honorable. But these cases would have to be fairly clear-cut on serving the 'greater good' or being the best outcome possible for a large group of people: as in a larger amount of better consequences can reasonably be expected to happen as a result of that suicide than the result of not doing that suicide.

One example would be that a hyper-intelligent scientist, who is about to invent free energy that would be available to everyone, is about to die and no one else can finish his work: your suicide by a whole lot of organ donation could save him and give him the time needed to complete that research.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Bah all things aside I think suicide is stupid if you?re going to end it go out productively like go to war, sell all vital organs and such whatever seems like a respectable cause just because your life will be shit for 5 more weeks doesn?t mean that you can?t do it infact it might give you something to live for.

Yeah, because going to war is sooo productive. If you have a deathwish, just take some more unwilling people with you! Is that what you mean?

Although it does sound like fun, I can't say it sounds very productive. War has NEVER been productive. In fact, "Productive war" would be an oxymoron.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Most of the time I'd say suicide is cowardly, selfish and idiotic. Those who cared about the person who cuicided himself will be suffering and missing him. The suicide didn't solve any problems. The person was simply too weak to handle life and, instead of trying to better it and work through whatever problems he/she might have had, decided to give up. From my point of view, that is stupidity in extreme. Understandable stupidity, but idiotic nonetheless.

How is it stupid or idiotic?

I mean, those labels imply that the descision was made on irrational and unintelligent grounds. Since when did it became objectively irrational to not want to go on living?

It's like saying that people are idiotic or stupid for not feeling like eating ice-cream...

 

[T5seconds]

Bah all things aside I think suicide is stupid if you?re going to end it go out productively like go to war, sell all vital organs and such whatever seems like a respectable cause just because your life will be shit for 5 more weeks doesn?t mean that you can?t do it infact it might give you something to live for.

Yeah, because going to war is sooo productive. If you have a deathwish, just take some more unwilling people with you! Is that what you mean?

Although it does sound like fun, I can't say it sounds very productive. War has NEVER been productive. In fact, "Productive war" would be an oxymoron.

If in your eyes option 1 is not productive go with option two. if you?re a patriotic dumbass and in your eyes it?s better to go out for glory go for option 1. I would go with option two too the only reason I included war was because I know of stupid people who if they didn?t have a nice life they would go out for their flag just a matter of in who?s eyes it is

 

[Manbro]

It's really up to the person; if they want to throw it all away then okay. It is a little selfish in the fact that those they leave behind will be devastated. But then again, it's your life and you can do whatever you want with it.

 

[Kenjitsuka]

I've tried to commit suicide, but unfortunately it didn't work and I had to spend some time in the ICU.

I still regret that it didn't work at times