Poll: The Geth or the Quarians

[Vuljatar]

I said "people", not "humans". Asari, Turians, Krogan, Salarians, etc. are all people.

Again something you continue to avoid explaining is why. Why are these species equal to humans, but the Geth aren't? Them being machines is not a logical reason. Them being made out of metal is not a logical reason. Discriminating against the Geth is nothing but illogical racism, plain and simple.

I don't have any more time to waste on this asinine argument. If you can't tell the difference between a living being and AI, you have some serious problems.

 

[jackknife402]

Quarians if all you can have is war....cuz gawd, the womenz are so freaking tight...

 

[Internet Kraken]

I said "people", not "humans". Asari, Turians, Krogan, Salarians, etc. are all people.

Again something you continue to avoid explaining is why. Why are these species equal to humans, but the Geth aren't? Them being machines is not a logical reason. Them being made out of metal is not a logical reason. Discriminating against the Geth is nothing but illogical racism, plain and simple.

I don't have any more time to waste on this asinine argument. If you can't tell the difference between a living being and AI, you have some serious problems.

You're entire argument amounts to "because I said so!". You haven't actually explained why an intelligent machine does not deserve the same rights as an intelligent organic. All you've said is that they are artificial, and therefore do not count. There isn't any logic behind your argument. It sounds like racism. If there is logic behind your viewpoint then please explain it, because you have yet to do so. I don't see why I have "serious problems" just because I think something that can think and emote deserves the same rights as other things that can think and emote.

 

[Vuljatar]

I said "people", not "humans". Asari, Turians, Krogan, Salarians, etc. are all people.

Again something you continue to avoid explaining is why. Why are these species equal to humans, but the Geth aren't? Them being machines is not a logical reason. Them being made out of metal is not a logical reason. Discriminating against the Geth is nothing but illogical racism, plain and simple.

I don't have any more time to waste on this asinine argument. If you can't tell the difference between a living being and AI, you have some serious problems.

You're entire argument amounts to "because I said so!". You haven't actually explained why an intelligent machine does not deserve the same rights as an intelligent organic. All you've said is that they are artificial, and therefore do not count. There isn't any logic behind your argument. It sounds like racism. If there is logic behind your viewpoint then please explain it, because you have yet to do so. I don't see why I have "serious problems" just because I think something that can think and emote deserves the same rights as other things that can think and emote.

"Because I said so" seems to be your argument. My point is that the Geth are machines. Period. They are not "alive". They are not sentient beings, because they are not beings. They are machines with artificial sentience.

Now, if you're going to ignore what I just said and call me a robo-racist or whatever the hell, or say that there's no logic behind my argument, go ahead. I don't care any more if you understand my argument or not, I have explained it.

I'm shocked (and, frankly, disgusted) that so few people seem to understand that there is a difference between a living being and a robot. I'm done with this thread.

 

[Internet Kraken]

"Because I said so" seems to be your argument.

Well I didn't mean to give that impression. I'm trying to say that because the Geth can think, emote, and comprehend that they are deserving of the same rights as other species. They are sapient. I don't see why it should matter if they are organic or artificial. It doesn't change that ultimately they are just as smart as any other species.

My point is that the Geth are machines. Period. They are not "alive". They are not sentient beings, because they are not beings. They are machines with artificial sentience.

But why is this "artificial sentience" any worse than regular sentience? It still allows the Geth to meet the standards of sapient organisms. Just because their intelligence is generated by codes rather than chemical reactions doesn't change what they ultimately are. You can't just say they are a machine and therefore can be discarded like a kitchen appliance. They are so much different from such basic mechanisms. Again, it's like saying a human is the same as a fern.

Now, if you're going to ignore what I just said and call me a robo-racist or whatever the hell, or say that there's no logic behind my argument, go ahead. I don't care any more if you understand my argument or not, I have explained it.

I'm shocked (and, frankly, disgusted) that so few people seem to understand that there is a difference between a living being and a robot. I'm done with this thread.

But that's the problem. You haven't explained why being a machine makes the Geth worse. All you've said is that they are artificial. You haven't explained why this makes them worse. You haven't explained why being a machine makes them worse. You haven't explained why, despite their intelligence, they don't deserve the same rights as organic sapients. It's the lack of explanation behind your argument that confuses me. It appears to have no logic behind it.

 

[kiwi_poo]

both sides made their mistakes, the Quarians attacked the Geth befre they did anyhting, and the Geth didn't end the war when they could have.
but I guess I like the Quarians more, for some reason.

(Actually, since this has yet to happen, I should be using the future tense)

 

[Crayzor]

Despite how much I like Tali, I would choose the geth. The Quarians made a mistake creating them, but now that they do exist, they have as much right to live as any other race. So I wouldn't support the Quarians in a war against them.

 

[xXAsherahXx]

Quarians since they were kicked out and have to live on the Floatilla.

 

[Lordmarkus]

Well, Legion's name came from the gospel of Mark(us), so...

...but, I like the Quarians more as a race, so...

...but then again, peace is always a nice pussy answer, so...

...but, it's a draw.

 

[HK_01]

I'm for peace, but if I have to choose, as much as I like Tali, I think the quarians as a whole are idiots who tried to commit genocide, got their ass kicked, and still think they're right.

 

[adrian_exec]

I am in favor of peace between Geth and Quarians. Which is a possibility presented in ME2.

Let's hope those "decisions" we made on the Flotilla will take effect in ME3 and all those dialogs weren't for nothing. I for one asked them to make peace between the races, but if I where to choose I would go for Quarians since I love Tali, Legion comes second simply because he wasn't present in ME1.

 

[Internet Kraken]

actually their immune system is a valid point. if they take of their suits they can die from a simple infection. so colonizing on another world would be impossible. coloniziting on their homeworld would be at least near impossible. duh. i think someone needs to play mass effect again

Then why do we visit a Quarian world that is not their homeworld in Mass Effect 2? Why does Tali specifcaly mention that Quarians didn't need to wear suits on this world.

Quarians can colonize other worlds. They've done so in the past. It's just that now there immune system would need more time to adapt to the environment. This is confirmed by in game dialogue. Tali says the difference between colonizing their homeworld and a new world would be 60 and 600 years, in terms of how long it would take their immune systems to re-adapt. If Quarians couldn't colonize other worlds, then it wouldn't have even been proposed as an option several times throughout the game.

 

[Internet Kraken]

....i dont recall visiting a quarian world in mass effect 2.

It's the one you find Tali on. It used to be a Quarian world. I think you might be the one who needs to refresh your memory on this stuff.

the reason they have colonized other worlds in the past is because in the past they had immune systems. when the created the geth, they were forced into exile and had to live on their ships. their ships have a sterile environment which destroyed their immune systems.
gosh do i have to explain everything. zomg.

You're missing the point. In the game, there are Quarians who are considering colonizing other planets. This means that the Quarians are cpaable of living on other planets, despite their weak immune systems. If this was not true, the game would not have said it was a legitimate option. So no, their immune system is not a good enough reason to take back the homeworld. As I recall, the only advantage of taking back the homeworld is that it wouldn't take as long for their immune systems to readapt. But that doesn't mean its impossible for them to live on other worlds. If it's not, then why would there be Quarian in support of colonizing other worlds rather than the homeworld?

 

[Internet Kraken]

first of all. that quarian homeworld is no longer a quarian homeworld. it belongs to the geth.

Of course the Geth are in control of it. But it's still the Quarian homeworld. I'm not trying to suggest that they have control of it. I don't know how you got that impression.

secondly, the quarians are reluctant to colonize on other worlds is because their immune systems are too weak and it would takes many many years for them to adapt and many of their people will die.

This is exactly what I was saying. You kept saying that it was impossible for them to colonize other worlds. And you are assuming the many Quarians would die during colonization. Nothing in the game suggests that would be true. Frankly, if they can create safe and sterile environments in space ships I don't see why they couldn't do the same on a planet. There's no reason for them to still be flying around in those ships other than the sheer stubbornness of their government. And even if Quarians did die in colonization, I'm sure it would be far less than the number that would die in a pointless siege of the homeworld.

the former quarian homeworld is their best option because its most sutiable to their shitty immune systems. the quarians want to take their homeworld back. because its their homeworld. yes the geth hold it now but the quarians created the geth. the geth could at least talk to the quarians but the geth refuse to talk to anyone.

Again, more assumptions. We don't know why the Geth refuse to talk to other species. We don't know what kind of messages have been sent, who sent them, and how the Geth reacted. Assuming the Geth will never interact with the Quarians again is kidn of dumb since Legion says that they would allow the Quarians to return if they proved that they had no hostile intentions. Apparently they have yet to do so, which is evident by them debating over war.

and besides, geth are still computers and machines. they have no emotions and geth dont care if one of their own die or a memeber of a another speices die. they are kind of like wasted space that create husks.

That is another massive assumption on your part. We still know very little about the Geth and how they actually interact with each other. However, from what we can gather from Legion we know that the Geth can think, speak, emote, and comprehend. They are an intelligent species equal to any organic sapient. They do have emotions, albeit primitive ones that they don't even understand yet. But considering how young of a species they are, that's understandable.

try and drive youre point to a quarian. they wont be too happy

I dunno. If I was a Quarian, I wouldn't want to pointlessly throw away millions of lives in the hopeless pursuit of taking back the homeworld. I'd rather just find another world and colonize that. But I'd probably just leave the flotilla and try to start a life somewhere else because the Quarian leaders are a bunch of lunatics. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if there actually are small civilization of Quarians scattered across the galaxy and that the only ones still on the flotilla are to stubborn and blind to look beyond their past, or they are still trying to convince other Quarians to do so.

 

[Internet Kraken]

actually, we do know the geth refuse to talk. it says in the codex.

The codex isn't omnipotent. It is missing a lot of information, as evidenced by it's lack of information about the Geth in the first game. So no, that doesn't explain anything.

a ship is like a bubble. bubbles are easliy sterilized. planets are way different. they are planets. they already have an ecosystem and organsims and plant life. you cannot sterilize a planet. many would die if they just took off their suits and step on a planet. basic biology duh.

I'm not talking about sterilizing the entire planet obviously. I'm talking about establishing small "bubble" colonies on said planets and then slowly re-adapting themselves to the environment. If they can keep ragtag junk ships in operating order after dozens of years of use, I think they can manage this. Or hell maybe this isn't how their colonization would work. Again, I don't understand all the scientific jargon describing their immune systems. But what I do now is that it is possible for Quarians to colonize other worlds, as confirmed by the Quarians that are in favor of seeking new worlds rather than the homeworld.

geth are computers. they can caculate and come up with desicions in mere seconds. in fact, seconds are almost a lifetime to a computer. so saying that theyre a "young species" doesnt mean much.

What does this even mean? First, you're making another huge assumption again in how the Geth perceive time. Second, none of this detracts from my point that the Geth are just as intelligent as any other species and therefore deserve the same rights. Third, you're saying an AI would be able to understand emotions just as easily as it can understand math, which is another big assumption. You're not proving anything by making assumptions. What I'm saying is based off what we hear from the game. We know the Geth are intelligent. We know the Quarians can colonize other planets regardless of their weak immune systems. This is all confirmed by in-game dialogue, meanwhile you are just making assumptions about how things work.

duh do i have to explain everything.

This arrogant attitude isn't really helping either. It certainly isn't making your argument any more potent.

 

[The Arc of Eden]

Quarians. Their women are hot. Though i wouldn't wipe out either side. Cause I think Legion would be my best buddy if I were Shepard or if geth existed, and I'd have a Quarian Girlfriend. Talk about creating drama for yourself.