It seems ze children are petitioning for no homevork...
Apparently ze have not learned zeir place...MORE HOMEVORK!!!
Apparently ze have not learned zeir place...MORE HOMEVORK!!!
Poll: "There should be NO homework" A petition to get rid of homework in schools.
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I'm in two minds about it, I'd say if it was scrapped, then schools need to stay open an hour or two extra to allow children to learn what they're not doing at home.
However, I do remember getting an awful lot of 'padding' assignments, as tho the teacher had decided not to consider homework and just made something up in the last 2 minutes before class was over.
If you don't have anything useful to set the class, don't set homework at all. It may even make the homework set seem more important when we're not simply having to copy stuff out.
Honestly, we have photocopiers, and on a larger scale, entire factories devoted to printed materials, we don't need to copy books out onto bits of paper any more.
Yeah, there's a repetition angle, but far better to help it be retained is to make them do something with the knowledge given rather than just make them repeat it.
However, I do remember getting an awful lot of 'padding' assignments, as tho the teacher had decided not to consider homework and just made something up in the last 2 minutes before class was over.
If you don't have anything useful to set the class, don't set homework at all. It may even make the homework set seem more important when we're not simply having to copy stuff out.
Honestly, we have photocopiers, and on a larger scale, entire factories devoted to printed materials, we don't need to copy books out onto bits of paper any more.
Yeah, there's a repetition angle, but far better to help it be retained is to make them do something with the knowledge given rather than just make them repeat it.
Doing alot of homework isn't always helping. People pretending it is knowledge fail to see it is a form of conditioning a certain trick. You'll have specific information of specific situations, but are you able to combine the individual laws and rules to think out of the box?
Simply reading and making questions about how to drive a car is in no way a legal substitution for actually driving one.
So getting all A's in school is no guarantee of getting your job right. Sure, its an indication of your potential, but certainly no means of measuring it.
Every job, every business has its own way of using information. Being able to adapt to and understand their motivation is worth more than knowing conditionized information that, once altered, will confuse you.
Simply reading and making questions about how to drive a car is in no way a legal substitution for actually driving one.
So getting all A's in school is no guarantee of getting your job right. Sure, its an indication of your potential, but certainly no means of measuring it.
Every job, every business has its own way of using information. Being able to adapt to and understand their motivation is worth more than knowing conditionized information that, once altered, will confuse you.
Homework is a method to give the pupils more freedom. Instead of making the homework at school (and staying there much longer) the kids decide when they wanna make them. And some don't, but longer schooldays won't motivate these kids.
And the argument this kid (I presume Chuck Mahon is a child) puts up... Why do you make your homework in the evening? At that point you're to tired to learn anything! Make them when you are fresh and stop being stupid (I apologize for the rage here at the end)
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And the argument this kid (I presume Chuck Mahon is a child) puts up... Why do you make your homework in the evening? At that point you're to tired to learn anything! Make them when you are fresh and stop being stupid (I apologize for the rage here at the end)
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Well it's been proven that homework barely does anything to your education, but I guess that we should have at least a little...
Trolling is having a different opinion? You make the Escapist proud!soulsabr said:
Hm... I don't recall homework being a key factor other than education, experience and attitude. What if I don't want a job that requires work to be done from home? There are plenty of well paying jobs where you don't have to work from home.
Face it, you're playing the "it's practice for a real job" card. Assigning homework for no reason other than for assigning it in and of itself wastes children's time, even if they're quote obviously on top of their work. What better way to reward them by giving them more bloody work? I've had homework, while easy, getting me into trouble, because even though I could do everything in class I have my own business to attend to, and I have a few pathetic worksheets biting me in the ass every time I come back. Saying that it's "your responsibility" to get it done, just shows that you don't care and that you're assigning it regardless of academic progression because you can't teach properly. You're just using it as a way of showing their grades without actually doing your job, so you can get paid.
Saying that "you not getting it done is irresponsible" is also ignoring what I've just said. What if i've been responsible enough to do all of the assigned work in class, and it's not your job to tell me when I should be doing my work by giving me even more because you think you know how to run my life. It doesn't work like that.
You should give work, and if anyone doesn't finish it, they do it in their home time. That's responsibility. Telling them everything they need to know for free, then sending them home with the work sheet, they can still know everything they learned the next time they turned up while not doing the worksheet, essentially, if they worked in class is irrelevant, because you're punishing them as much as everyone else by giving them monotonous crap every night, they could be using on learning something they're interested in, or just living.
you are correct about the first part, just bad wording on my part. I was however referring only to secondary school as I got the impression thats what the poll was relating to. Of course I speak only from my own experience and what those around me during high school have shared with me. Im a uni student atm and find that this sort of poll doesnt really apply to a uni situation as (in my experience) there tends to be a pretty clear split between those who bother to show up and do the(read: any) work and those who dont.StBishop said:
I enjoyed a majority of my homework when I was in High School. Why? Because my parents were the kind of parents who had to know what you were doing every second of everyday, if they didn't know, then you were probably doing something really bad and ruining your life. Telling them, "I'm doing my homework! They gave me soooo much this week!" Even if I was lying and it was a simple book report, it gave them a reason to leave me alone for a few hours.
Oh, the sweet silence.lol
Though, I had teachers who simply refused to give homework. As long as we took proper notes in his/her class, they said they didn't see the need. That it was unnecessary stress to place on not only the students, but all teachers who had to sit around and grade tons of homework each day or week.
Earth Science teacher:
"You are at school all day, like any other job, why should you have to take it home with you. Then again, why should I eventually have to take it home with ME and waste half my evening? Take your notes during class, keep them organized, and you'll all do fine."
When he was done with the in-class lecture he planned for the day, he would let us sit and chat and go over notes together, while he read a book or made a telephone call or what-have-you until the bell rang.
I passed those classes just as easily as the ones with homework. Nothing is wrong with homework, to an extent.
Homework is fine, but at times they go a bit crazy with how much they are handing out, because sometimes, not all of it can be done in one evening without someone crying. (children or adults) lol
Oh, the sweet silence.lol
Though, I had teachers who simply refused to give homework. As long as we took proper notes in his/her class, they said they didn't see the need. That it was unnecessary stress to place on not only the students, but all teachers who had to sit around and grade tons of homework each day or week.
Earth Science teacher:
"You are at school all day, like any other job, why should you have to take it home with you. Then again, why should I eventually have to take it home with ME and waste half my evening? Take your notes during class, keep them organized, and you'll all do fine."
When he was done with the in-class lecture he planned for the day, he would let us sit and chat and go over notes together, while he read a book or made a telephone call or what-have-you until the bell rang.
I passed those classes just as easily as the ones with homework. Nothing is wrong with homework, to an extent.
Homework is fine, but at times they go a bit crazy with how much they are handing out, because sometimes, not all of it can be done in one evening without someone crying. (children or adults) lol
I agree that there should not have to be homework but the educational system, especially here in England, is so fucked up by years of stupid decisions we have to have homework. The curriculum has too much work for a teachers to teach in one class, therefor we are pretty much forced to have homework.
Yes and no. I feel that maybe some sort of evaluation should be done on a students learning type and their curriculum be decided from there. This would be expensive though and would more than likely require private schooling.
That's my opinion in a very short form.
That's my opinion in a very short form.
I teach band most of the day. Other parts of the day, math and science. And actually, band depends more on homework than the other subjects, so it's highly relevant to the topic--in class, your brain can learn everything on the first try, but your body won't learn the technique without repetition at home, no matter how smart you are.Ajna said:
And, frankly, you're quite wrong about a Phys Ed teacher's opinion not being relevant. Everyone in that school who is accountable for student learning has the same issues. They just look different to the outsider. How about those that coach sports? You don't think they rely on students continuing their practice at home to reinforce individual skills? Or the fact they're also responsible for teaching health, which has a strong science component?
In fact, a phys ed teacher's opinion on math homework is more relevant than an engineer's opinion on the same homework. Why? Because we, as teachers, have to be more than just experts on our individual subject areas--we also have a whole separate expertise on how, when, and why children learn. That's the most important part of our jobs, really. You can know all the math there is, but if you don't understand the mind of the learner, you'll only be able to teach the students that already know it (and that's not teaching).
I would say homework is the most important part of school. Hell, shorter school hours to give more time for homework would be a good thing.
I'm a lazy bum, but even I realise you need this shit.
You learn by doing.
Suck it up.
I'm a lazy bum, but even I realise you need this shit.
You learn by doing.
Suck it up.
I think in something like Earth Science, that technique works pretty well. Most of it is remembering facts and processes, rather than skills. The purpose of true homework is to reinforce procedural skills. For classes like earth science, the "homework" is really just studying the content and looking over the notes to make sure you remember it. I think it's a fine policy in those classes not to assign homework.Brutal Peanut said:
Of course, if he taught pre-calculus, it'd be an issue. Not because it's "harder," but because it involves procedural skills that need to be practiced, and rote memory won't carry you through that.
I hate the idea of Homework for the same reason I hate traditional education. Because it is, for the most part, pointless. Alot of the work is just an extenso of the same damn worksheets you did in school. If you were paying attention, like you should do, you've already learned, and as for revision, isn't the afternoon after you first learned about it a little early to expect someone to have forgotten, to need to revise it. What are they, kids, or goldfish?
To me, it seems like yet another part of school intended merely to indoctrinate kids into thinking the relevant authaurity doesn't just authorise (sp?) them, it owns them, and every moment of their day, making growing children into nice, all-obeying drones for the government.
Of course, some homework is necessary, like when something s best learned independently, or for coursework, for which their may be simply no time in school, or the very point of it being independant study, and all the homework I do for college now is necessary, for often there's simply not enough in college time to do all the research, pre production and filming work (I do a coursework based BTEC in media production).
It's by far not the only problem with primary and secondary education, and definately not the biggest with england's fundementally flawed systems, but it is nevertheless, a disgusting piece of indoctrination.
EDIT: On a personally annoying level, I must say that in my school, one particularly messed up thing, was that they gave people who were doing better in school even more work, a system which had pushed me to the verge of quitting multiple times. To work hard to your goals and then be punished with yet more work made me feel as if everything I did was completely pointless.
To me, it seems like yet another part of school intended merely to indoctrinate kids into thinking the relevant authaurity doesn't just authorise (sp?) them, it owns them, and every moment of their day, making growing children into nice, all-obeying drones for the government.
Of course, some homework is necessary, like when something s best learned independently, or for coursework, for which their may be simply no time in school, or the very point of it being independant study, and all the homework I do for college now is necessary, for often there's simply not enough in college time to do all the research, pre production and filming work (I do a coursework based BTEC in media production).
It's by far not the only problem with primary and secondary education, and definately not the biggest with england's fundementally flawed systems, but it is nevertheless, a disgusting piece of indoctrination.
EDIT: On a personally annoying level, I must say that in my school, one particularly messed up thing, was that they gave people who were doing better in school even more work, a system which had pushed me to the verge of quitting multiple times. To work hard to your goals and then be punished with yet more work made me feel as if everything I did was completely pointless.
I hit 'other' and now I will explain my position:
I don't think there should be homework in its current context, I always hated those 'Complete this stupidly long and totally pointless essay by the end of this week' assignments because as I said they were almost always completely pointless and unrelated to our actual coursework; it also caused problems where teachers wouldn't communicate and we'd sometimes end up with 15 bits of work to complete which gave us very little personal time.
I would suggest to teachers that they give school kids 'research' assignments which is basically go home and find a book or website relating to X and then print it out/bring the book in for use in the next lesson. Much shorter, much easier, and (should be) relative to the coursework the child is doing.
Also I think kids should be given a coursework guide which would allow them to complete coursework in their own time to get ahead of the game.
When I was at school homework always stressed me out unnecessarily and it was almost always unrelated to the lesson itself and in the end I got low grades at school because I rarely knew what I was doing with coursework because i'd finish off a bit of work I would think was important and then find out it was totally useless.
Since attending college i've gotten much better grades because in the rare occations where I am given work to complete at home i've known it's relating to the course and as I mentioned i've got a guide to my work so I know exactly what is required of me for each grade so I can actually complete work in my own time if I want to.
I don't think there should be homework in its current context, I always hated those 'Complete this stupidly long and totally pointless essay by the end of this week' assignments because as I said they were almost always completely pointless and unrelated to our actual coursework; it also caused problems where teachers wouldn't communicate and we'd sometimes end up with 15 bits of work to complete which gave us very little personal time.
I would suggest to teachers that they give school kids 'research' assignments which is basically go home and find a book or website relating to X and then print it out/bring the book in for use in the next lesson. Much shorter, much easier, and (should be) relative to the coursework the child is doing.
Also I think kids should be given a coursework guide which would allow them to complete coursework in their own time to get ahead of the game.
When I was at school homework always stressed me out unnecessarily and it was almost always unrelated to the lesson itself and in the end I got low grades at school because I rarely knew what I was doing with coursework because i'd finish off a bit of work I would think was important and then find out it was totally useless.
Since attending college i've gotten much better grades because in the rare occations where I am given work to complete at home i've known it's relating to the course and as I mentioned i've got a guide to my work so I know exactly what is required of me for each grade so I can actually complete work in my own time if I want to.