Poll: To make a God.

[xXGeckoXx]

I would, become god. My methods may be harsh but let's put it this way, "Fix the debt crisis and get along with china before I do to you what I just did to North Korea." is pretty effective.

 

[tzimize]

Hell yes. Anything to change things up a bit. I'd give it to anyone if I cant have it myself, but I'd gladly take the power. As it is life holds no real surprises and I'll die before the really good stuff happens. I'd be ready for godhood ANYTIME.

I am an atheist but if I am wrong and there is a god I have a few ideas on why he doesn't cure diseases and fix everything and creates natural disasters. As for not fixing everything, it would be irresponsible. We would become dependent on God to fix everything and wouldn't be able to do anything ourselves and advance as a species. As for natural disasters, there may even be rules God has to obey to when creating things. I don't think there is a god and wouldn't want one to be created.

I am a catholic but I do feel the same way about this it's pretty much why I don't believe god really answers prayers that would manifest as something physical. I feel prayer is just a form of positive thinking since you can't just ask god to do your homework for you or to heal your grandma's terminal cancer because doing so wouldn't be fair.

If God isnt really good for anything (like fixing stuff, diseases, helping mankind)...what the fuck is he for?

Hundreds of thousands would argue that they have been cured illogically by such acts.

Remember that Catholics have the pope and that means a huge line of stringency and differences from Christianity... most Christians don't agree with them, but Christians in themselves do actually believe in the power of prayer.

Ask and without greed you will be given.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say.

 

[NightHawk21]

As an impartial judge I would say that I must know the location of the secret god giving super power thing so I can protect it from everyone. Then I take it for myself, instantly become god, and edit the OP so that I can choose myself and as such was in the right.

OT: If I can't choose myself than no one deserves to be god.

Actually this is the perfect answer, let me show you why.

As in all cases, the one who WOULDN'T want power is the best choice... because they would never abuse it.

You would.

Everyone would.

it is impossible to not abuse power in some way, even in the slightest, so yes, anyone would abuse it, but to abuse it the least amount? you would definitely not be the candidate if shown by your rash pick in your original statement.

Why would you want to give someone complete and utter control over your entire life?

if it made the world a better place for everyone? no hunger? no wars?

I would give up my freedom right now in a heartbeat.

Like in the original post, it would up to our pick, and i would pick someone i think to be very level headed who wouldn't interfere unless absolutely needed into peoples lives, i wouldn't pick a control freak who needs to enslave everyone.

The problem with that is you can't possibly know what a person will do with infinite power until you give it to them. We aren't talking about the power to just stop a war here or there, we're talking about the power to create everything in YOUR image of perfection, and I bet you everyone's image of perfection is different. Besides what do you consider to be necessary enough for God to interfere with?

while that is true, like i said i'd pick the person who is fearful/least likely to use it (and yes you once again can say you never know what they'll do, but if logic dictates anything i'd pick someone decent enough) so they would intervene when it truly meant the sway of millions of lives, not taking away everyday personal freedoms.

and while my idea of necessary might not be right, i'd hope the person would just stop global atrocities from happening (such as tsunami's, massive earthquakes, massive wars, etc..) and spend the rest of their time being a freelancer (going to a hospital and having everyone by a miracle cured with no one knowing it was "god", have them go to a 3rd world country the next and have their harvest grow extraordinarily amazing, etc..)

Just something to consider:
"It is weakness rather than wickedness which renders men unfit to be trusted with unlimited power." -- John Adams, 1788

while that is a nice quote, and i understand it and don't necessarily disagree with it, looking for the worst in every single being on the planet seems to be of the agenda to you, so i'm just going to drop it, as you must live around horrible people if you are so dead set on never giving someone the power to do superhero like things.

That quote has nothing to do with being surrounded by horrible people or seeing the worst in everyone. It is about recognizing that no one person is so perfect that each person has the capacity to make mistakes. Give someone power over everyone else and not only do you alienate that person to the extent that you make them feel better than everyone else, but you also make anything they do have for whatever reason they do it affect literally the entire universe. You, this God, and I, we all don't share the same view of a perfect universe and give unlimited power and being told to "make things better" will lead to each of us producing very different results and arguably quite a few "mistakes" in the minds of everyone who does not share our view.

 

[SD-Fiend]

I am an atheist but if I am wrong and there is a god I have a few ideas on why he doesn't cure diseases and fix everything and creates natural disasters. As for not fixing everything, it would be irresponsible. We would become dependent on God to fix everything and wouldn't be able to do anything ourselves and advance as a species. As for natural disasters, there may even be rules God has to obey to when creating things. I don't think there is a god and wouldn't want one to be created.

I am a catholic but I do feel the same way about this it's pretty much why I don't believe god really answers prayers that would manifest as something physical. I feel prayer is just a form of positive thinking since you can't just ask god to do your homework for you or to heal your grandma's terminal cancer because doing so wouldn't be fair.

If God isnt really good for anything (like fixing stuff, diseases, helping mankind)...what the fuck is he for?

my guess is that he is just watching over us and making sure that demons and stuff aren't coming out of the woodwork. besides in the first couple of pages in the bible adam and eve got kicked out of paradise as punishment and were left to have to work for a living and so would their offspring

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Wouldn't everything start getting a bit boring if we could just say "yo God can you just give us a hand kthx"

Plus if you want to make a god just think of one, a god cannot be restrained into a mere human's mind right?

Is an interesting life for you worth the millions of deaths from HIV? These reasoning starts to sound a little selfish.

 

[McNoobin]

I don't know, with no hunger, no wars, no disease or prevention of disasters. What left if there for mankind to do? There'd be no use for engineers, scientists, geologists, or anything. I guess all that would be left would be entertainment like movies and books and what not. Obviously it's good to have no hunger or wars, and I'm not saying that we need them, and getting rid of them at the cost of "boredom" is definitely worth wit, and even if that deity doesn't become corrupt, where do we go from there?

 

[Sordak]

there was a game about this.

it would be awsome for us , it would suck for this person

 

[drakan4o]

I think that if a god is omniscient, as in 'he knows everything' that means that whoever you choose will become the same person after the process: a person who is everyone at the same time. It doesnt matter if you choose a thief or a genius in the end he or she will be the same person with the same knowledge and way of thinking, Imagine that a bad person is the left part of a half and a good person is the right half. Omniscience will mean that you are 'both halves' at the same time, or should I say 'every half that exists' at the same time!

 

[NightHawk21]

As an impartial judge I would say that I must know the location of the secret god giving super power thing so I can protect it from everyone. Then I take it for myself, instantly become god, and edit the OP so that I can choose myself and as such was in the right.

OT: If I can't choose myself than no one deserves to be god.

Actually this is the perfect answer, let me show you why.

As in all cases, the one who WOULDN'T want power is the best choice... because they would never abuse it.

You would.

Everyone would.

it is impossible to not abuse power in some way, even in the slightest, so yes, anyone would abuse it, but to abuse it the least amount? you would definitely not be the candidate if shown by your rash pick in your original statement.

Why would you want to give someone complete and utter control over your entire life?

if it made the world a better place for everyone? no hunger? no wars?

I would give up my freedom right now in a heartbeat.

Like in the original post, it would up to our pick, and i would pick someone i think to be very level headed who wouldn't interfere unless absolutely needed into peoples lives, i wouldn't pick a control freak who needs to enslave everyone.

It's quite possible that slavery while not ideal for us, might be the best way for us to be fixed in a quicker timeframe... not slavery like doing menial work, but definitely being aligned and reigned in... shown our place...

Sometimes the best things come out of the darkest moments.

while that is a bit more along the lines of 1984..with big brother.. i can't say i disagree horribly, but yes that was a very rough worse case scenario picture of what i was thinking

having a superior being, a god, can make things nice and orderly, lawful, while as of now with everyone running around as equals with anyone being able to take the power, leaves lots of room for chaos and disorder.

You should never sacrifice freedom for security.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

you know you are really taking everything i say in the worst possible scenario case every single time.

i'm going on the fact that if i picked someone decent enough, and they kept consistent with acting decent enough, no freedoms would be hindered upon.

why would god take away your freedom? he/she/it can't be killed, why would it bother to take away your freedom to do whatever you want?

You said chaos and disorder. As for why they would take away freedom, because it doesn't fit their model of a perfect world. And if your god doesn't take away strive to make the world perfect than why would you even elect a God?

Also I notice you still didn't answer my question for what you would deem absolutely necessary enough for you God to intervene.

 

[fulano]

Isn't this what we are doing with societal technological development anyways, just through way slower means?

 

[tzimize]

I am an atheist but if I am wrong and there is a god I have a few ideas on why he doesn't cure diseases and fix everything and creates natural disasters. As for not fixing everything, it would be irresponsible. We would become dependent on God to fix everything and wouldn't be able to do anything ourselves and advance as a species. As for natural disasters, there may even be rules God has to obey to when creating things. I don't think there is a god and wouldn't want one to be created.

I am a catholic but I do feel the same way about this it's pretty much why I don't believe god really answers prayers that would manifest as something physical. I feel prayer is just a form of positive thinking since you can't just ask god to do your homework for you or to heal your grandma's terminal cancer because doing so wouldn't be fair.

If God isnt really good for anything (like fixing stuff, diseases, helping mankind)...what the fuck is he for?

my guess is that he is just watching over us and making sure that demons and stuff aren't coming out of the woodwork. besides in the first couple of pages in the bible adam and eve got kicked out of paradise as punishment and were left to have to work for a living and so would their offspring

Erm.....what? Cant tell if sarcasm or not. I think I'll leave this thread, its making me weirded out :s

 

[Dr Snakeman]

Do it to Richard Dawkins

Oh yes... the irony would be delicious.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

As an impartial judge I would say that I must know the location of the secret god giving super power thing so I can protect it from everyone. Then I take it for myself, instantly become god, and edit the OP so that I can choose myself and as such was in the right.

OT: If I can't choose myself than no one deserves to be god.

Actually this is the perfect answer, let me show you why.

As in all cases, the one who WOULDN'T want power is the best choice... because they would never abuse it.

You would.

Everyone would.

it is impossible to not abuse power in some way, even in the slightest, so yes, anyone would abuse it, but to abuse it the least amount? you would definitely not be the candidate if shown by your rash pick in your original statement.

Why would you want to give someone complete and utter control over your entire life?

if it made the world a better place for everyone? no hunger? no wars?

I would give up my freedom right now in a heartbeat.

Like in the original post, it would up to our pick, and i would pick someone i think to be very level headed who wouldn't interfere unless absolutely needed into peoples lives, i wouldn't pick a control freak who needs to enslave everyone.

It's quite possible that slavery while not ideal for us, might be the best way for us to be fixed in a quicker timeframe... not slavery like doing menial work, but definitely being aligned and reigned in... shown our place...

Sometimes the best things come out of the darkest moments.

while that is a bit more along the lines of 1984..with big brother.. i can't say i disagree horribly, but yes that was a very rough worse case scenario picture of what i was thinking

having a superior being, a god, can make things nice and orderly, lawful, while as of now with everyone running around as equals with anyone being able to take the power, leaves lots of room for chaos and disorder.

You should never sacrifice freedom for security.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

you know you are really taking everything i say in the worst possible scenario case every single time.

i'm going on the fact that if i picked someone decent enough, and they kept consistent with acting decent enough, no freedoms would be hindered upon.

why would god take away your freedom? he/she/it can't be killed, why would it bother to take away your freedom to do whatever you want?

You said chaos and disorder. As for why they would take away freedom, because it doesn't fit their model of a perfect world. And if your god doesn't take away strive to make the world perfect than why would you even elect a God?

Also I notice you still didn't answer my question for what you would deem absolutely necessary enough for you God to intervene.

god has UNLIMITED power though, to the point lifting a finger he/she/it isn't limited to one body, or form, it can do whatever and be whatever whenever it wants, therefore it doesn't need to take away any freedom at all, the god in question could just be the "adult" in the situation, and let us mortals go about our normal days without bloodshed and loss.

and yes i did answer it earlier, i'm too lazy to go back and quote it, as i'm probably done in here for the day, but i mentioned tsunami's, earthquakes, mass flooding, that kind of stuff, and for wars that were going to be catastrophic.

oh and the model of a perfect world, is perfectly imperfect, at the core the god is/was still a human being, so it's not going to turn the world into some pure orderly world like equilibrium or something.

 

[Firstmark_Bannor]

Given the option to make god,I would undoubtedly make myself god. Radical changes would ensue instantly and i won't lie, many people would hate me for it. I would alter human physiology to make guns utterly useless. Nature would be far more aggressive both the flora and fauna. As god i may very well make Treefolk and arm the forest against man. But to balance this out 99% of diseases are gone, I'll leave the common cold around just for the hell of it but, that's about as sick as you'd ever get. And giant Rabbits, at least 15 meters tall, and harming them will carry an instant death penalty via lighting bolt. Chocolate ice-cream will be the world's new healthiest food. Oh, the things i would do with unlimited power... Some would be happy, some might not, and i couldn't honestly care less for the latter. That said probably a good thing I'm not god.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

As an impartial judge I would say that I must know the location of the secret god giving super power thing so I can protect it from everyone. Then I take it for myself, instantly become god, and edit the OP so that I can choose myself and as such was in the right.

OT: If I can't choose myself than no one deserves to be god.

Actually this is the perfect answer, let me show you why.

As in all cases, the one who WOULDN'T want power is the best choice... because they would never abuse it.

You would.

Everyone would.

it is impossible to not abuse power in some way, even in the slightest, so yes, anyone would abuse it, but to abuse it the least amount? you would definitely not be the candidate if shown by your rash pick in your original statement.

Why would you want to give someone complete and utter control over your entire life?

if it made the world a better place for everyone? no hunger? no wars?

I would give up my freedom right now in a heartbeat.

Like in the original post, it would up to our pick, and i would pick someone i think to be very level headed who wouldn't interfere unless absolutely needed into peoples lives, i wouldn't pick a control freak who needs to enslave everyone.

The problem with that is you can't possibly know what a person will do with infinite power until you give it to them. We aren't talking about the power to just stop a war here or there, we're talking about the power to create everything in YOUR image of perfection, and I bet you everyone's image of perfection is different. Besides what do you consider to be necessary enough for God to interfere with?

while that is true, like i said i'd pick the person who is fearful/least likely to use it (and yes you once again can say you never know what they'll do, but if logic dictates anything i'd pick someone decent enough) so they would intervene when it truly meant the sway of millions of lives, not taking away everyday personal freedoms.

and while my idea of necessary might not be right, i'd hope the person would just stop global atrocities from happening (such as tsunami's, massive earthquakes, massive wars, etc..) and spend the rest of their time being a freelancer (going to a hospital and having everyone by a miracle cured with no one knowing it was "god", have them go to a 3rd world country the next and have their harvest grow extraordinarily amazing, etc..)

Just something to consider:
"It is weakness rather than wickedness which renders men unfit to be trusted with unlimited power." -- John Adams, 1788

while that is a nice quote, and i understand it and don't necessarily disagree with it, looking for the worst in every single being on the planet seems to be of the agenda to you, so i'm just going to drop it, as you must live around horrible people if you are so dead set on never giving someone the power to do superhero like things.

That quote has nothing to do with being surrounded by horrible people or seeing the worst in everyone. It is about recognizing that no one person is so perfect that each person has the capacity to make mistakes. Give someone power over everyone else and not only do you alienate that person to the extent that you make them feel better than everyone else, but you also make anything they do have for whatever reason they do it affect literally the entire universe. You, this God, and I, we all don't share the same view of a perfect universe and give unlimited power and being told to "make things better" will lead to each of us producing very different results and arguably quite a few "mistakes" in the minds of everyone who does not share our view.

jesus, i think whoever invented superman modelled lex luthor right after you.

 

[SD-Fiend]

I am an atheist but if I am wrong and there is a god I have a few ideas on why he doesn't cure diseases and fix everything and creates natural disasters. As for not fixing everything, it would be irresponsible. We would become dependent on God to fix everything and wouldn't be able to do anything ourselves and advance as a species. As for natural disasters, there may even be rules God has to obey to when creating things. I don't think there is a god and wouldn't want one to be created.

I am a catholic but I do feel the same way about this it's pretty much why I don't believe god really answers prayers that would manifest as something physical. I feel prayer is just a form of positive thinking since you can't just ask god to do your homework for you or to heal your grandma's terminal cancer because doing so wouldn't be fair.

If God isnt really good for anything (like fixing stuff, diseases, helping mankind)...what the fuck is he for?

my guess is that he is just watching over us and making sure that demons and stuff aren't coming out of the woodwork. besides in the first couple of pages in the bible adam and eve got kicked out of paradise as punishment and were left to have to work for a living and so would their offspring

Erm.....what? Cant tell if sarcasm or not. I think I'll leave this thread, its making me weirded out :s

I was just saying that's how the book says why god doesn't come and fix everything after adam and eve got tricked into eating the apple of knowledge or something god kicked them out of the garden of eden saying that they pretty much have to go get a job now.

 

[dvd_72]

Probably the Dali Lama. I just think Bhudists have it figured out... well they have figured out how to figure it out.... if you know what I mean.

Not sure if this belongs in religion and politics. Fairly sure it does not.

Another question. Many say "why not me"? Good question.

Would you abuse the power? No? Then why do you assume someone else would. Are you the only non corrupt person in the world? Would you expect others to see yourself as you do?

In responce to that, I'd like to point out that while I cannot claim to know, infallibally, the moral integrity of others, The strength of my own morrals and conviction I have a very good measure of. That surety is what would set me as a better candidate than others I could think of.

 

[teisjm]

Find someone truly trustworthy, who wanted to use the power for good.

Make him/her sign a contract, promising to use the power to limit himself to whatever you deemed appropriate, or to use the powers to make him/herself truly benevolent and caring, so that heshe would be unable of using he powers for anythiung but good for mankind, and beeing omniscient, he/she would know what was good.
Since he/she would do this as soon as the powers manifested, before the corruption, change of mind would set in, it should be fairly safe.

Now comes the big question, could an omnipotent beeing lock away some of it's own powers, without chance of restoring them?

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Absolute power tends to corrupt so even if I think I may not do evil shit doesn't mean I won't or others won't so I am completely against this idea.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Probably the Dali Lama. I just think Bhudists have it figured out... well they have figured out how to figure it out.... if you know what I mean.

Not sure if this belongs in religion and politics. Fairly sure it does not.

Another question. Many say "why not me"? Good question.

Would you abuse the power? No? Then why do you assume someone else would. Are you the only non corrupt person in the world? Would you expect others to see yourself as you do?

In responce to that, I'd like to point out that while I cannot claim to know, infallibally, the moral integrity of others, The strength of my own morrals and conviction I have a very good measure of. That surety is what would set me as a better candidate than others I could think of.

But in the ENTIRE worlds eyes you are to them what they are to you. An obvious abuser of power who will definately be corrupt. That reasoning is circular. Why would they trust you? Tell me you wouldnt abuse it. Everyone seems to quote this "power corrupts" thing EVERYWHERE and yet refuse to accept they would abuse it as certainly as everyone else.

Absolute power tends to corrupt so even if I think I may not do evil shit doesn't mean I won't or others won't so I am completely against this idea.

This guy gets it. At least he is objective. Many are like "MEMEMEMEME" and seem to think they are the only pure person in a sea of corrupt vile scumbags.