I feel the same for the entire Western Fantasy genre across most media. Mostly because its the same concepts from the same two or three works being re-used over and over.Chemical Alia said:
Poll: To the anime haters
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Umm I'm not sure what anime style really is, if it's animation style then the only one that had ever really stuck out is the animation from Afro Samurai and maybe the how fluent the animation in Bebop is. But Afro Samurai looks so good - it just sticks out from the monotonousness animation of Naruto, Bleach, One Piece etc.
What would the animated bits in Kill Bill P1 count as, if any of them?
Hellsing sounds cool. Ima go with Hellsing.
Hellsing sounds cool. Ima go with Hellsing.
Well, they all look rather bright and vibrant, and the character design is fairly stylized in all of them (and aside from the Miyazaki one, these even seem to be in the category of more moderate examples of each).
I personally prefer a more subdued colour scheme than most anime offer. Though as my avatar reveals, it's not an absolute rule, and the most interesting visual style I've seen was that of Gankutsuou, which took anime's constant flirting with colourful vibrancy, and took it to its logical glittery conclusion. Actually worked quite well (the game Steins;Gate added the same lustre to its graphics, though it wasn't present in the anime adaptation).
I personally prefer a more subdued colour scheme than most anime offer. Though as my avatar reveals, it's not an absolute rule, and the most interesting visual style I've seen was that of Gankutsuou, which took anime's constant flirting with colourful vibrancy, and took it to its logical glittery conclusion. Actually worked quite well (the game Steins;Gate added the same lustre to its graphics, though it wasn't present in the anime adaptation).
Of all the animies listed I have to that Hellsing is my favourite so far. As i usually read more manga than watch animie. But by far Deathnote is my favourite
to me, almost every anime looks the same or like hellsing. however, i like to think of myself as a movie critic and i like animation so when you say "Miyazaki" i'm all on board.
the difference between Miyazaki and all the other crazy crap i see flood over from japan is not just his art style and animation, but also his storytelling, pace, and imagination. his art style is very iconic as it's different, fluid, and usually rich with color and detail. i can easily tell it apart from f**king naruto or something for those reasons. hell, Miyazaki is so good at it, he's created the first anime to win an academy award (which i think he well deserved). a lot of normal anime out there doesn't even get considered to be translated over to america.
the stories he tells through animation and the way he does it is probably what sets up a whole tier higher than other junk. in other junk, the setting has built up this whole universe that only someone with a star trek level obsession can understand what's going on, the main characters are usually the same and are surrounded by supporting characters who talk with insane over the top emotions. in a Miyazaki film, let's take The secret world of arriety for example (just because that's the most recent of his work that i've seen) all the characters, whether they were big or small, acted like NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS. hell, even the wildman borrower who's name i forget acted like he should have, and he could hardly speak a language!
I understand some people like that over the top stuff, but as someone who wants to watch a GOOD movie, i just want to follow the story and watch GREAT animation with GREAT voice acting. Miyazaki delivers that along with deep stories and characters who i can really get invested in. when i see an anime on TV and here them go "Your drill is one that shall pierce through the heavens!" my first thought is "who the f**k says that?". but when i hear the boy from Arriety talk about how his parents don't pay enough attention to him and he has to go through heart surgery later in the week in a somber tone, I LISTEN TO HIM, and i feel for that character.
so there's my opinion, this is the internet where i'm right and you're wrong, i hope you agree
the difference between Miyazaki and all the other crazy crap i see flood over from japan is not just his art style and animation, but also his storytelling, pace, and imagination. his art style is very iconic as it's different, fluid, and usually rich with color and detail. i can easily tell it apart from f**king naruto or something for those reasons. hell, Miyazaki is so good at it, he's created the first anime to win an academy award (which i think he well deserved). a lot of normal anime out there doesn't even get considered to be translated over to america.
the stories he tells through animation and the way he does it is probably what sets up a whole tier higher than other junk. in other junk, the setting has built up this whole universe that only someone with a star trek level obsession can understand what's going on, the main characters are usually the same and are surrounded by supporting characters who talk with insane over the top emotions. in a Miyazaki film, let's take The secret world of arriety for example (just because that's the most recent of his work that i've seen) all the characters, whether they were big or small, acted like NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS. hell, even the wildman borrower who's name i forget acted like he should have, and he could hardly speak a language!
I understand some people like that over the top stuff, but as someone who wants to watch a GOOD movie, i just want to follow the story and watch GREAT animation with GREAT voice acting. Miyazaki delivers that along with deep stories and characters who i can really get invested in. when i see an anime on TV and here them go "Your drill is one that shall pierce through the heavens!" my first thought is "who the f**k says that?". but when i hear the boy from Arriety talk about how his parents don't pay enough attention to him and he has to go through heart surgery later in the week in a somber tone, I LISTEN TO HIM, and i feel for that character.
so there's my opinion, this is the internet where i'm right and you're wrong, i hope you agree
Totally agreed. It's not a problem restricted to anime by any means. I find myself bored with styles that lack innovation or a new perspective, especially when they rely on the same standard ideas I've seen a million times. Fantasy, steampunk, etc.Ninjamedic said:
I agree partially, since as Yahtzee said subtle details can have more impact than explicit details. Ghibli's animation is all about subtle movements whether in voice acting movement or facial expressions.mega48man said:
Though your criticism of Gurren Lagann makes you sound like a person with no suspension of disbelief, in my opinion. (which is right and yours is wrong by the way since this is the internet)
Its funny that the genres which in stagnation are stagnating because of refusal to deviate from the ideas of writers who SET OUT TO REINVENT THE GENRE IN THE BLODDY FIRST PLACE.Chemical Alia said:
Tolkien must be spinning in his grave.
But I've noticed a lack of Dragon Ball or Shin Chan in the thread, I always thought as those would be different to the styles mentioned in the OP.
i only used gurren lagen as an example of the weird over the top things they say because i could think of anything else. I've seen the entire series, it was all right, loved them titties and all and the giant robots were fun, but it's still strictly something for japanese culture.ex275w said:
i'm sure you may have read somewhere about how bad japanese video games are doing recently. i'm flipping through my gameinformer here and there's several quotes in here from developers talking about japanese games;
"your games just suck" -Fez creater Phil Fish responding to a japanese developer regarding what he thought of modern japanese games.
"Back in the day our japanese games were used to winning and achieved major success. But at some point the winners became losers. By not accepting that fact we have arrived at the tragic state of japanese games. The japanese game industry has become very close-minded." -Mega Man creator Keiji Inafune
now when the guy who made Mega Man says japanese games suck, there's a problem. Mega Man was about a boy with a blaster arm and fought robots. today.....i think the only good animes are on adult swim like samurai champloo.
now i know games aren't anime, but in when it comes to japan, i can't see the f**king difference. look at the latter final fantasy games, it has all the components of a generic anime; over the top futuristic setting, over the top wardrobes, crazy hard to follow plots, cut and paste supporting cast, over the top but TOTALLY AWESOME ACTION SCENES, and of course, a crazy and 'best avoid if possible' kind of fanbase.
it's been a long time but if i hear one more kid squel about cloud or arif/aris or some bullshit or even scream about gay shipping the characters, i swear i'm going to do something so horrific to that person that their families will raise money to get a bench named after him/her to be put in the park, which i will then light on fire and run over with my car.
ok, now you know the OTHER reason i don't look to fondly to anime.
a lot of animes have these crazy fanbases that i just can't relate to. i know everything fanbase has it's bad eggs, something star trek fans and the hardest core of the whovians are well known for, but...i don't mean to be rude, but at least Doctor who is good and star trek was good in it's day. watching anime is like watching a show from another planet not because of how crazy whatever goes on in the show is but how crazy the characters act. the Doctor, currently matt smith, is odd, quirky, and doesn't pick up on clues like a lot of people but that's because he IS an ALIEN. (so as to your claim that i have no suspension of disbelief, i hope my fandom of Doctor who proved otherwise). But some characters in even the more serious animes act crazy for no reason, with the colored action background included. i'll bet you 200$ that normal people in Japan don't do that. hell, i'll bet you 300$ that there are a lot of people in Japan who hold my same opinion on the matter.
hopefully i've written enough here to keep you busy while i take a gander at this Ghibli you mentioned.
Huh... now I need to go watch that now (Arriety, I mean, not Guren Lagann, about which I agree).mega48man said:
Anyway, may I waft up your aura of vitriol?! Most refreshing.
Still, I'm inclined to say that most people who watch anime but hate most of the drivel that gets released these days are looking in the wrong places for it... places which are getting harder and harder to find these days... and the best anime I've seen in recent... years... was about cross-dressing pre-teens with gender identity problems... dunno what that says about me, though... -_-
I noticed you used the OVA of Jojo's Part 3. Strangely, the ova has like 3 diferent styles of animation/drawing. Can you tell me what person was responsible for each part?axlryder said:I only had so much room, so I just put the major seinen/shonen anime that popped into my head. Since this is for a project I'm working on, the art styles have to be in a more Seinen vein. Thus Fate Stay isn't really appropriate and Hokuto No Ken is a bit too muscular to be practical.DioWallachia said:Elaborate on the Code Geass / Death Note being cliched. If you know a better series with Magnificients Bastards then say itex275w said:
In the meantime... YOU
Yeah, you the OP! You didnt put Hokuto No Ken style or Jojo's Bizarre Adventure style or Fate Stay Night style.
I am dissapoint
(The first one who finds a Frollo image with the "Quasimodo, I am dissapoint" wins a price)
HOWEVER.... I forgot Jojo. I....I'm ashamed. I mean, I wouldn't use that style, but still.
You might like One Piece. The source of powers is the use of Devil Fruit, that bestow an ability (supposedly from the Sea Devils) but removes the user's ability to swim. standing in water past the ankles makes all the strength go out of them. The protagonist is a "devil fruit user", and his ability is fairly versatile, but definitely not overpowered. His body is made of rubber, and he uses a lot of momentum based attacks, and blunt force trauma is effectively useless against him. Beyond that, he's got a lot of physical strength.senordesol said:
As he starts out in one of the more mundane parts of the world, he's pretty much able to kick everyone's ass, but as it progresses, it becomes very clear he's far from the most powerful individual out there, especially when devil fruit users come into it more and more (he's particularly outclassed by people with some form of elemental power).
LOL. so long as that animes touches on social issues like LGBT bullying, self-discovery, possibly gay teen suicide (it's a serious problem), and social acceptance of people of different sexual orientation, sounds like fun to watch. but if you're talking about Boku no Pico, well sir, i have some bad news for you; you're a pedophile.SckizoBoy said:
i think you're right, i DON'T know where to look! but there is one anime that my one super cute and hot anime obessed friend who has already has a BF god damn him has gotten me to start watching called "Panty Stockings". i'm sure you've heard of it but i'll give a BRIEF description; drawn to be a parody of western cartoons (and sadly, it proves not only that imitation is a form of flattery but that it's better than normal anime) it's about two angels, panty and stocking, who fight ghosts because they were kicked out of heaven. it's wacky, vulgar, utterly insane, and i like it because it has an art style that reflects that cartoony tone.
Speaking about cliches. Do you think that Hokuto No Ken and Jojo's Bizzare Adventure are to blame on the fact that most writers try to emulate all their shonen/seinen bullcrap into be like them? Lets put it this way, would the trope "Seinfeld is Unfunny" apply to the 2 grandfathers of shonen series? or is the thousands of copies that make the original two look like crap?mega48man said:
If that doesnt ring a bell because maybe you dont know those two then let me change a few names here...and....here.
Replace [Hokuto No Ken and Jojo's Bizzare Adventure] with [Warhammer 40K] and replace [shonen/seinen bullcrap] with [Halo/Space Marine bullcrap]
Does this have to do anything to do with your comment? maybe not, but i think i can just ask you this an get a honest opinion.
Luckily for you... me... well, both of us, I've never heard of Boku no Pico, and judging by your reaction, I wouldn't want to watch it either. I'm talking about Hourou Musuko, which addresses all the serious issues a kid would have, dealing with gender identity (two boys and a girl, with different circumstances and problems of their own). When I first heard about it, I wondered how in hell an anime could handle it, but fucking hell, it was a punch that wasn't pulled by any means...mega48man said:
Anyway, yeah, I've heard about Panty & Stocking (with Garterbelt), and eesh is it silly. 'Rrrrrrrrrrrruuurrrruu'! That said, I'm not a particular fan of that aesthetic, preferring more 'traditional' anime forms, except that I find anime comedies are rather pointless these days, action animes are repetitive and spout a never ending stream of memes, and harem animes are a combination of the above. This leaves the viewer with a still large (at least I think it's large), but still comparatively miniscule library to watch. Post 2010... shit, I take it back, there aren't that many worth watching... *snrk*
The Ghibli only appears to nice children who believe in the alot.mega48man said:
I think Japanese games are certainly in a decline. Namco, Capcom, Konami and Square who were previously pillars of the mainstream japanese industry have stagnated and become irrelevant. Nintendo and Atlus are in my opinion the only "big"japanese comapnies to still make quality titles.
Of course this is not the fault of anime itself but it represents that companies don't give a crap about striving to be original or different only safe, and blaming pirates or the economy isn't gonna cut it.
I don't know about the anime fanbase, I'm good at evading the weebs so I've only heard of this mystical creature. I decided to see if /a/ had decent taste in 4chan and only saw people hating everything and have decided never to interact with any "anime fan" online.
I think Japanese characters act crazy become Japanese people seem to be so serious all the time. So when given the opportunity to lighten up, they go all out.