Poll: Unschooling: Parenting at it's worst

[Starnerf]

In my high school every student got to choose electives for their last two years. You could pick music, art, programming, electronics, etc. You could pick which math you wanted to take, which science you wanted to take, if you didn't want to take math for those last two years, you could take up an elective program such as music or tech classes. You could even opt into a Votech program to learn a trade alongside the required curriculum. You would spend part of the day at the school and part at a community college taking classes relating to your trade. I think this method worked out pretty well for the students at my school. Granted, my school was in a pretty well-off district, so this method probably wouldn't work for most other public schools.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

No OP, you're not being narrow-minded.
Isn't their a law against not sending your child to school?

No, so long as traditional public schooling is replaced by a rigorous private program. That said, it's not like there is a lot of investigation into such things, especially at the individual level.

It's not so much being narrow minded as it is a disservice to the children in question. By the sounds of things they often aren't learning critical skills necessary for all but the noisiest and dustiest of jobs.

 

[FalloutJack]

Unschooling, as in relation to the term unlearning? Yeah, that's what happened to some of us in high school. (It wasn't a very good school, you see.) I managed to bypass that with the dual-enrollment program. So, unschooling... That's the same as not schooling, or in fact brainwashing the education right out of your kid and therefore a backwards step, and that's just the logical deduction. Yeah...I'm going to have to say that's wrong. I've known uneducated people. They're not only stupid, but they miss subtle insulting remarks that I've made in the past. (They weren't people I liked.)

 

[Brainstrain]

Learning to deal with being bored is an essential part of being part of western civilization.

I think it's one of the most useful things school taught me.

 

[Redweevil]

I'm home educated but in a formal way, teachers who want to get a bit more money give us, the home eds, lessons. So not all people who don't go to school are free willed hippies.

 

[DarkRyter]

They won't learn shit, but they'll be fucking happy, and that's all anyone can ask for.

 

[Flames66]

No OP, you're not being narrow-minded.
Isn't their a law against not sending your child to school?

No, so long as traditional public schooling is replaced by a rigorous private program. That said, it's not like there is a lot of investigation into such things, especially at the individual level.

It's not so much being narrow minded as it is a disservice to the children in question. By the sounds of things they often aren't learning critical skills necessary for all but the noisiest and dustiest of jobs.

I have to disagree with you. Independent thinking is the only thing that prevents the human race from stagnating and becoming an unthinking hive mind. It's about time that people took their children out of mainstream schooling all together.

 

[ATLAS -.-]

I was i was unschooled.. So i can play on the computer more

 

[ObsessiveSketch]

It's not so much being narrow minded as it is a disservice to the children in question. By the sounds of things they often aren't learning critical skills necessary for all but the noisiest and dustiest of jobs.

I have to disagree with you. Independent thinking is the only thing that prevents the human race from stagnating and becoming an unthinking hive mind. It's about time that people took their children out of mainstream schooling all together.

Because education is terrible. Uh huh. Eclectic Dreck has the win on this argument. If kids want to be part of the hive mind, fine. We have jobs for that. They take place in cubicles. If they want to do their own thing, K-8th will give them a basic education that they can use to further their interests in high school or college. There is absolutely no reason to NOT educate our kids. If you hate the school system, HOMESCHOOL THEM! Don't leave them floundering, becoming just another wart on the ass of society.

 

[dietpeachsnapple]

If everyone was "unschooled" we'd lose any form of advanced science that involved anything more than a linear function.

My goodness I went to the website

But, what about math?

It's easy to see how children can learn many things without using traditional, formal methods of teaching, but many people see math as a huge stumbling block, mainly, because most of us have learned to hate math because of the way it was taught in school. There are a great many ways to encounter math in the real world. Geometry can be found in quilt making, algebra in painting a room. Shifting perspectives, from textbooks to the real world is sometimes difficult, but math that is actually used is math truly learned.

Where will the calculus come from! Nooo!

Canon making and prototype testing?

 

[Flames66]

It's not so much being narrow minded as it is a disservice to the children in question. By the sounds of things they often aren't learning critical skills necessary for all but the noisiest and dustiest of jobs.

I have to disagree with you. Independent thinking is the only thing that prevents the human race from stagnating and becoming an unthinking hive mind. It's about time that people took their children out of mainstream schooling all together.

Because education is terrible. Uh huh. Eclectic Dreck has the win on this argument. If kids want to be part of the hive mind, fine. We have jobs for that. They take place in cubicles. If they want to do their own thing, K-8th will give them a basic education that they can use to further their interests in high school or college. There is absolutely no reason to NOT educate our kids. If you hate the school system, HOMESCHOOL THEM! Don't leave them floundering, becoming just another wart on the ass of society.

It's not about not educating them. It's about not rushing them. Society needs to learn to be more relaxed and not rush things as much IMO. I was taught at home in an unconventional way that, while not quite like this, was at my own pace and enabled me to grow up a much calmer and more relaxed person.

 

[ObsessiveSketch]

It's not so much being narrow minded as it is a disservice to the children in question. By the sounds of things they often aren't learning critical skills necessary for all but the noisiest and dustiest of jobs.

I have to disagree with you. Independent thinking is the only thing that prevents the human race from stagnating and becoming an unthinking hive mind. It's about time that people took their children out of mainstream schooling all together.

Because education is terrible. Uh huh. Eclectic Dreck has the win on this argument. If kids want to be part of the hive mind, fine. We have jobs for that. They take place in cubicles. If they want to do their own thing, K-8th will give them a basic education that they can use to further their interests in high school or college. There is absolutely no reason to NOT educate our kids. If you hate the school system, HOMESCHOOL THEM! Don't leave them floundering, becoming just another wart on the ass of society.

It's not about not educating them. It's about not rushing them. Society needs to learn to be more relaxed and not rush things as much IMO. I was taught at home in an unconventional way that, while not quite like this, was at my own pace and enabled me to grow up a much calmer and more relaxed person.

Now see, that's fine, as long as you learn! These parents aren't being relaxed, they aren't even "being" anything! And in this competitive world, the United States is already waaaaaaaay behind many other advanced countries in terms of education (or, rather, 'the educated'). Kindergarten and elementary school are hardly "rushing" them. Not when you compare it to the cram-school obsessives in the Eastern world.
Plus, no offense to you, but I dislike home schooling because I feel it doesn't allow a child to learn how to function in society. ALL home schooled students I've met are hardly social butterflies, and most are awkward and underdeveloped when it comes to appropriate social interaction.

 

[Flames66]

It's not so much being narrow minded as it is a disservice to the children in question. By the sounds of things they often aren't learning critical skills necessary for all but the noisiest and dustiest of jobs.

I have to disagree with you. Independent thinking is the only thing that prevents the human race from stagnating and becoming an unthinking hive mind. It's about time that people took their children out of mainstream schooling all together.

Because education is terrible. Uh huh. Eclectic Dreck has the win on this argument. If kids want to be part of the hive mind, fine. We have jobs for that. They take place in cubicles. If they want to do their own thing, K-8th will give them a basic education that they can use to further their interests in high school or college. There is absolutely no reason to NOT educate our kids. If you hate the school system, HOMESCHOOL THEM! Don't leave them floundering, becoming just another wart on the ass of society.

It's not about not educating them. It's about not rushing them. Society needs to learn to be more relaxed and not rush things as much IMO. I was taught at home in an unconventional way that, while not quite like this, was at my own pace and enabled me to grow up a much calmer and more relaxed person.

Now see, that's fine, as long as you learn! These parents aren't being relaxed, they aren't even "being" anything! And in this competitive world, the United States is already waaaaaaaay behind many other advanced countries in terms of education (or, rather, 'the educated'). Kindergarten and elementary school are hardly "rushing" them. Not when you compare it to the cram-school obsessives in the Eastern world.
Plus, no offense to you, but I dislike home schooling because I feel it doesn't allow a child to learn how to function in society. ALL home schooled students I've met are hardly social butterflies, and most are awkward and underdeveloped when it comes to appropriate social interaction.

I'm not a "social butterfly" myself, but I don't want to be. I keep to myself. I can't speak on the US education system but here I still think it is rushing many children, especially those with learning difficulties. There needs to be less focus on being competitive both in schools and in the world.

 

[gothic wolf]

i was home schooled through high school i did go at forst but the bullying problem got to bad so my mum took me out, home schooling isnt a problem unless parents dont actually teach there kids what they need to know. OK i missed out on a social life for about 5 years but that sort of thing happens

 

[Acier]

As long as they're actually learning for the intrinsic value of it, I'm totally ok with it, hopefully they can pass some exams to prove what they've learned. Speaking as someone who went through an extremely unorthodox school method for 8 years (could have been 10 if I didn't move), I can safely say that most of the traditional ways of doing things in school are bunk.

Sometimes I do wish I had a more traditional schooling, as it causes difficulties for me in "normal" school. But as long as this is being done properly, I have no problem with it.

I kinda like it, seeing as modern schooling irks me in a ton of ways.

 

[ObsessiveSketch]

It's not so much being narrow minded as it is a disservice to the children in question. By the sounds of things they often aren't learning critical skills necessary for all but the noisiest and dustiest of jobs.

I have to disagree with you. Independent thinking is the only thing that prevents the human race from stagnating and becoming an unthinking hive mind. It's about time that people took their children out of mainstream schooling all together.

Because education is terrible. Uh huh. Eclectic Dreck has the win on this argument. If kids want to be part of the hive mind, fine. We have jobs for that. They take place in cubicles. If they want to do their own thing, K-8th will give them a basic education that they can use to further their interests in high school or college. There is absolutely no reason to NOT educate our kids. If you hate the school system, HOMESCHOOL THEM! Don't leave them floundering, becoming just another wart on the ass of society.

It's not about not educating them. It's about not rushing them. Society needs to learn to be more relaxed and not rush things as much IMO. I was taught at home in an unconventional way that, while not quite like this, was at my own pace and enabled me to grow up a much calmer and more relaxed person.

Now see, that's fine, as long as you learn! These parents aren't being relaxed, they aren't even "being" anything! And in this competitive world, the United States is waaaaaaaay behind many other advanced countries in terms of education (or, rather, 'the educated'). Kindergarten and elementary school are hardly "rushing" them. Not when you compare it to the cram-school obsessives in the Eastern world.
Plus, no offense to you, but I dislike home schooling because I feel it doesn't allow a child to learn how to function in society. ALL home schooled students I've met are hardly social butterflies, and most are awkward and underdeveloped when it comes to appropriate social interaction.

Why must everyone be so social? Huh? Why must we not be ourselves? I've used to be social, but school beat that out of me due to being that miserable. Now that I'm homeschooled I can go at my own (very fast) pace, and don't have to be miserable.

Welp, good luck to you. If it works for you, that's fine, I've just noticed that while homeschooled kids get an adequate (maybe even better) education, they may struggle in the business world because it's usually based on interaction. Think about interviews, marketing, debate, etc. From my experience with homeschooled students, I wouldn't count on them doing very well with a job.

 

[ObsessiveSketch]

In theory that's a good idea but in reality kids are lazy and will no do anything edify themselves.

Not to mention that "I followed my dreams" will not help you when you want to get a job and you need to have a paper saying you are educated, not the knowledge.

Education is a bureaucracy and although it should be about personal pursuit, it doesn't work that way anymore.

I just realized that I totally judged you immediately on your name. Seeing 'Twilight' disturbed my gut in a most unpleasant way, and I was about to dismiss you as a raving lunatic, until I saw your avatar. I am now even more angry at StephenieHACKMeyer for ruining yet another badass thing (The Twilight Zone) with her tripe.

 

[Flames66]

Welp, good luck to you. If it works for you, that's fine, I've just noticed that while homeschooled kids get an adequate (maybe even better) education, they may struggle in the business world because it's usually based on interaction. Think about interviews, marketing, debate, etc. From my experience with homeschooled students, I wouldn't count on them doing very well with a job.

I have no intention of being involved in the business world. I don't want to work in a large company or in an office. I'm not to bothered what job I end up with as long as it pays my bills and I enjoy it. I think it will probably be the same with these "unschooling" kids.