Poll: Violent Game Law Goes To Supreme Court
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Well, they ARE M-rated. While I don't generally care about the laws point of view on who should be considered an adult and when, this particular law is not that hurtful - it's not like M-rated games are banned. Just have an adult buy them for you if you're underage, and then you're good - ratings are just a suggestion and assuming that most underage kids live with their parents or legal guardians it's a safe bet that their parents or legal guardians should at least have a clue about what their kids are doing... Else they can just go around sueing stores and shit.
So, yeah, sure. I don't see any problem in giving video games retailers who sell M-rated games to clearly underage kids that aren't being accompanied by their parent/legal guardian/adult relative a fine.
Everyone smart and shady enough will still be able to conduct the sales under the counter anyways, y'know? They can't fine ya if they don't see ya do it.
So, yeah, sure. I don't see any problem in giving video games retailers who sell M-rated games to clearly underage kids that aren't being accompanied by their parent/legal guardian/adult relative a fine.
Everyone smart and shady enough will still be able to conduct the sales under the counter anyways, y'know? They can't fine ya if they don't see ya do it.
I live in NYC. When I was...13 I think, I tried to buy 2 CDs that had Parental Advisory stickers. One was a new release, one wasn't...and the lady at checkout did not let me purchase the new release, but was fine with selling me the one collecting dust.
Am I the only one who doesn't see this whole thing as some kind of a wicked attack on children playing M-rated games?
The whole rating thing is the law, whether you agree with it or don't, or simply don't care.
From my understanding, what they're doing here is simply enforcing a pre-existing law.
If you have a problem with the law itself, go and fight it although I doubt that you'll manage to make any favorable changes - the traditional opposition would be way too high, some things are just "acceptable targets" in our culture.
Not somehow punishing people for breaking a pre-existing law (who are stupid enough to get caught) would be pretty ineffective. A law that isn't enforced is not a law, it's a joke that only some brainwashed monkey would follow.
The whole rating thing is the law, whether you agree with it or don't, or simply don't care.
From my understanding, what they're doing here is simply enforcing a pre-existing law.
If you have a problem with the law itself, go and fight it although I doubt that you'll manage to make any favorable changes - the traditional opposition would be way too high, some things are just "acceptable targets" in our culture.
Not somehow punishing people for breaking a pre-existing law (who are stupid enough to get caught) would be pretty ineffective. A law that isn't enforced is not a law, it's a joke that only some brainwashed monkey would follow.
Eh, if I want an M rated game bad enough, and my parents approve of the game, they can just buy it for me.
And thank god for that.MortisLegio said:
Well, if stores stop selling to minors, it will cut off the news' easy access to bitching about how "readily available" the games are to kids, & if the kids still get their hands on them, then maybe the news will be forced to admit that parents are slacking in their responsibilities.
Yes yes, I know it's unrealistic to expect news to learn the error of their ways.
I can't say I'm against it at all, since I've never concidered modern video games or comic books to be "for" children. I've always concidered them "adult toys." Children get everything else, so let them sod off & enjoy these things along with liquor & sex when they're old enough.
Yes yes, I know it's unrealistic to expect news to learn the error of their ways.
I can't say I'm against it at all, since I've never concidered modern video games or comic books to be "for" children. I've always concidered them "adult toys." Children get everything else, so let them sod off & enjoy these things along with liquor & sex when they're old enough.
Great, if the law is strongly enforced to the level of R-Rated movies, or '18' rated over here, then maybe, just maybe, people will stop blaming the industry, next time there's a 12 year old who goes on a killing spree and someone on his street has a copy of Mario Party for the N64. (that's usually the level of spurious link needed to confirm media ideas that games create murderers.)
It does smack of easy point scoring by the politicians tho, demanding 'violent video games be labelled and rated'? You mean like they have been for the past 10-15 years?
It does smack of easy point scoring by the politicians tho, demanding 'violent video games be labelled and rated'? You mean like they have been for the past 10-15 years?
This isn't even a fucking question people. Every single time gamers get blamed for something, the point of little kids being "corrupted" by violent games pops up. If they don't get their stupid hands on the games in the first place, the enemies of gaming have one less leg to stand on (not that it was particularly sturdy in the first place, but it's sure as hell working).
Read the bill.Schneizel said:
It prevents children from buying the game. Not from parents buying it for them. You can still do whatever you want for your children, it just means that you have to be there.
"Superior" is an opinion, at least in this case.
The thing is, it isn't. There is no law mandating about selling any form of video game to minors (except possibly AO... probably falls under porn regulations). The ESRB is a voluntary system created and enforced simply to keep parents from complaining. I could go to any non-chain store (and even some chain stores. Fry's has not once ID'd me, and I'm 15). This would be thie first law in the US doing something like this (as far as I'm aware).Billion Backs said:
Normally, this is where I make the tangeant about the violence in video games being of no harm to warrant massive law action. However, this is not the same as I usually have a word about. Kids shouldn't be getting games that are rated for people well-over their age. That's a bit like scarring 'em for life by showing 'em the Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies.
Now, this happens because of a number of reasons, but I'm gonna say that stores that knowingly violate this should be fined, because they are the last word. They can refuse the kid, the kid's parent, and probably their own industry and bosses if the law is involved. If they haven't, then even if it's a bad parent involved, they still allowed the sale.
If this doesn't affect the big guys and the ability to play games, fine. But kids gotta wait their turn for this stuff.
Now, this happens because of a number of reasons, but I'm gonna say that stores that knowingly violate this should be fined, because they are the last word. They can refuse the kid, the kid's parent, and probably their own industry and bosses if the law is involved. If they haven't, then even if it's a bad parent involved, they still allowed the sale.
If this doesn't affect the big guys and the ability to play games, fine. But kids gotta wait their turn for this stuff.
Good, It might cut down on dimwit parents buying 9year old's 18's (Yes I'm British), and then losing their collective nuts at the gaming industry for 'trying to turn there little darling into a murderer'. Imagine how little of bullshit controversy games would have get if kids simply COULDN'T get a copy, any arguments such as "They will always find a way to buy them" are counted with "it's got the same protection against that as cigarettes and booze".
I'm of legal age, I can get them, what do I care? It'll help the annoying "good" parents shut up, so I'm all for that.
