Poll: Weed - Legal or Illegal?

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RabbiiFrystofsk

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It's like anything, if you over do it it does you over. If you drink too much you can develop liver damage, brain damage and just general body damage. If you smoke you can develop a numerous amount of cancers, repsiratory problems, blood problems, like drinking it's dangerous during pregnancy and a blah de blah de blah.
If weed were legal it would be among the critique of tobacco and alcohol but without the social discourse. Fuck when was the last time you heard of unrulely people after smoking weed? Personally i don't think it should be legalised fully maybe just decriminalised to avoid all the pointless law enforecement on it as the majority of police honestly don't give a fuck.
As for other drugs such as smack and meth fuck that shit up the arse, go watch Swansea: A Love Story and you'll understand why.
 

DasUberCow

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ravensheart18 said:
NuclearPenguin said:
punksnotdead said:
How many people have died from smoking it? I'm just wondering.
Nada. 0.
That would be wrong.

I witnessed one personally.

Haha, what? You saw someone smoking weed and then simply die because of it? I'm sorry but i call bs. Do go on though. I'm intrigued.

If you talk to anyone who smokes weed they'll say to you that it's an amazing substance that's very enjoyable, but also that you shouldn't overdo it and start smoking every day because then it will fuck you up. However seeing as it's not addictive (apart from perhaps mentally) there's no real worry about that as long as you keep a straight head.

Weed is something to be enjoyed on an occasional basis and when you can just chill out. All of this weed kills stuff is bs.
 

ProfessorLayton

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See, here's the thing. If it were up to me, I would make all drugs illegal. Cigarettes and alcohol as well. I would completely ban them from the country and stop anyone and everyone from using them. However, as we saw by prohibition and as we're seeing from the fact that marijuana is illegal, if people want to do something, they'll do it anyway. So I'm all for making it legal. I probably still wouldn't do it, but as of right now there's no reason to keep it illegal. I mean, cigarettes are definitely worse for you if your talking long term effects and, according to MSN, about 75,000 people die each year because of alcohol. Weed is really the least of our problems.

And I'm not going to act like I know much about it or anything, but you can't honestly claim weed is completely harmless. Any form of inhaled smoke is bad for you and it kills brain cells. It's safer than cigarettes, but it's not completely safe.
 

NuclearPenguin

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The Gnome King said:
ravensheart18 said:
NuclearPenguin said:
punksnotdead said:
How many people have died from smoking it? I'm just wondering.
Nada. 0.
That would be wrong.

I witnessed one personally.

Firm numbers are however difficult to determine with an illegal substance.
Please give some more data since even medical reports right now don't have anything conclusive on the cardiac effects of marijuana; which are the most *likely* way marijuana/THC could cause any medical issues.

I've read quite a few interesting case reports on cardiac events that MIGHT have been related to marijuana use, but nothing conclusive where the coroner report could state; yup, he died of a heart attack or sudden cardiac death due to marijuana use.

It *does* work the heart about as hard as, say, climbing a flight of stairs so I think that when/if studies are done they might show people with advanced heart disease should avoid it; but I think that's about it. That and the aforementioned orthostatic hypotension.

What death-inducing event did you see marijuana directly cause? I'm honestly curious; even as a non-smoker.
Well, to be fair, my ex had to go to the hospital the first time she smoked it but that was due to a pre-existing case of epilepsy.
 

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mikespoff said:
1. No, it's not like tobacco. Regular marijuana use results in psychosis in 10% of users and has been linked to higher incidence of schizophrenia; this is far more damaging than similar usage of either tobacco or alcohol.
mikespoff said:
3. You are correct when you write that smoking weed is much more dangerous than drinking alcohol.
Please cite reliable, peer-reviewed studies or don't bother peddling FUD.
For example, a study that shows alcohol is far more dangerous than weed, MDMA, or even speed can be found here [http://www.lancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2810%2961462-6/fulltext]. A quick summary of what it found is available here [http://www.dailytech.com/Study+Alcohol+is+Deadliest+Drug+More+Dangerous+Than+Heroin/article20038.htm].
And I certainly don't believe "psychosis in 10% of users." The schizophrenia link only exists for those who would have gone on to develop schizophrenia anyway, and even that link is debated by researchers, it's not accepted as fact.

EDIT: And I'll add this for everyone's enjoyment, I can't believe nobody's posted it yet.
 

the-squid

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mikespoff said:
1. No, it's not like tobacco. Regular marijuana use results in psychosis in 10% of users and has been linked to higher incidence of schizophrenia; this is far more damaging than similar usage of either tobacco or alcohol.
None of the medical tests currently used to detect brain damage in humans have found harm from marijuana, even from long term high-dose use.

But yeah people who have a mental illness will be highly affected by weed or other drugs that can alter the state of mined like ritalin or conserta

An early study reported brain damage in monkeys after six months exposure to high concentrations of marijuana smoke. These tests aren?t to be taken serious, because these monkeys were tested with outdated technology thus making the result inaccurate.

In a recent, more carefully conducted study, researchers found no evidence of brain abnormality in monkeys that were forced to inhale four to five marijuana cigarettes every day for a year. This clearly proves that marijuana leaves NO brain damage.

The claim that marijuana kills brain cells is based on a report dating back 25 years and has never been supported by any scientific study.

2. I'd prefer to eliminate tobacco smoking, so that argument that "it's no worse than tobacco" - even if true (see above) - would still not justify legalising it. It's a harmful substance, you'd need a strong positive justification for legalising it, not just that it's on par with other harmful stuff.
moked marijuana contains 2 times more tar and carbon monoxide as tobacco, but you should realize that someone who is a heavy tobacco smoker, smokes a lot more tobacco then a heavy marijuana smoker.

So a heavy tobacco smoker inhales much more smoke then a heavy marijuana smoker. As a result, the risk of serious lung damage is far more lower with marijuana smokers.

Then there are always people that say stuff like this:

?Someone told me that one joint equals 8 tobacco?s?
Some ?scientist? said this 20 years ago on TV and people still believe this ferry tail.

Allow me to bust this myth once and for all and hit you with the facts.

Tar and carbon monoxide are the main reason why tobacco and marijuana are dangerous.
Tests have proven that the amount of tar and carbon monoxide in marijuana is about 2 times more then the amount of tar and carbon monoxide in tobacco?s.

This would mean that 1 (pure) joint equals 2 tobacco's. But, like I said before, Marijuana smokers smoke lesser joints then people that smoke cigarettes and there are only a very few people that smoke there joint pure.
3. You are correct when you write that smoking weed is much more dangerous than drinking alcohol.
drink and drive = dead
smoke and drive = dead

4. The numerical count of drunk driving and marijuana-related accidents is meaningless; there is no context and the relative userbase (and social acceptability) makes this a useless statistic.
Early studies showed that people who smoke marijuana have about the same amount of car accidents then people who drink alcohol.

However, a more closer examination revealed that 85% of the people who used marijuana and had a car accident also consumed alcohol!

For people only intoxicated on marijuana, the rate was much lower than for alcohol alone. This finding has been supported by other research using completely different methods.

For example, states that had reduced penalties for marijuana possession experienced a rise in marijuana use and a decline in alcohol use with the result that fatal highway accidents decreased.

This would suggest that, instead of causing a "carnage" on the highways, legalizing marijuana might actually save lives!

Tests have also shown that people intoxicated on alcohol drive a lot faster then people who didn?t used alcohol, while marijuana smokers drive a lot slower and approach other cars more cautiously.

This is because the effects of marijuana makes you more aware of your surrounding so you pay more attention to the things happening around you, it also feels like you are going 60 miles a hour while only driving 30 miles.

Also I would like to add that I drive my car at least a few times a week after I smoked some joints. The funny part is that I have had my share of car accidents but never while I was high on weed, isn?t that something?
 

Even McNobleface

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While it can screw up your life to no end, it also has plenty of uses in medicine. we're sitting on the potential to cure cancer & the bloody government wants it illegal so they can make more money off of products that aren't hemp. but like i said, it can also screw up your life to no end (like cigs & alcohol don't do that already), so I say make it legal with many warnings, like cigarettes at the moment.
 

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Tipsy Giant said:
mikespoff said:
Tipsy Giant said:
NuclearPenguin said:
Tipsy Giant said:
Really all drugs should be legal, if you are stupid enough to take heroin and then you die, that my friend is survival of fittest and we could do with a few less idiots procreating.
I'd rather call it "Natural Selection" than "Survival of the Fittest"
Call it what you will but pandering to the idiots to protect us all is insulting and backwards
Hard to call it "survival of the fittest" when someone freaks out on a bad drug trip and kills someone else...
you are right and making drugs illegal stops that how?

it has nothing to do with the argument for legalisation, it is just fear mongering, driving while drunk is illegal yet alcohol isn't, why anything different for weed?
I may be missing your line of thinking, but the way I read your post, it looked like: "drug abuse only hurts drug users, we should stop protecting them by having drugs illegal, just legalise drugs and the problem will take care of itself as the drug users all die off".

So based on that assumption, I was just pointing out that drug use doesn't only hurt drug users.
 

Even McNobleface

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it's like Mr. Mackey says. "there are times when you get suckered in by drugs & alcohol & sex with women, m-kay, but it's [WHEN YOU DO THESE THINGS *TOO MUCH*], that's you've become an addict & must get back in touch."
 

the-squid

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ravensheart18 said:
That would be wrong.

I witnessed one personally.

Firm numbers are however difficult to determine with an illegal substance.
Animal tests have shown that extremely high doses of marijuana is needed to have lethal effect.
In fact, tests show that you would have to consume 40,000 times as much marijuana as you needed to get stoned before you will overdose. That?s a ratio of 1:40,000!!

Lets say you would get stoned from 1 joint, that means that you will need 40,000 joints to get a overdose of marijuana.

I don?t know about you, but I smoke an average of 2 joints per day, that is like 672 joint per year. It would take about 60 years for me to smoke 40,000 joints at the rate I am smoking. There is no way that anyone could overdose for marijuana, period!

Now lets take alcohol, the ratio on alcohol varies between 1:4 and 1:10 depending on the person?s health.
So if you would get drunk from half a bottle of whisky, 2 bottles later you could die from a overdose of alcohol!

In America, every year 10,000 people die directly from a alcohol overdose and don?t get me started on alcohol related deaths, we are talking 110,000 deaths per year on alcohol related deaths. Think about driving with alcohol etc.

No one EVER died from a marijuana overdose. Can I get a Amen!
 

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This is just an honest question - I'm curious how many people on Escapist are for weed legalization and how many are against it. Feel free to give reasons why you feel the way you do, but let's keep it civil.

Personally, I am for it. Smoking weed is like smoking tobacco (which is perfectly legal), granted that the chances of lung problems and cancer are much higher with marijuana then tobacco. Smoking weed is also much more dangerous, in my opinion, than drinking (which is perfectly legal). More people have died from drunk driving and drinking-related things than from getting high on weed. Again, this is just my opinion and how I feel.
Uh, you have "Smoking weed is also much more dangerous.." and then go on to contradict it with "More people have died from drunk driving..."

You might want to fix that.^^
Personally, I'm for it. It mellows people out, I have never seen anybody want to fight after smoking. Every weekend I see people fighting after drinking.

I literally can not see a reason for keeping it illegal. They'd make more by legalizing and taxing it, granted that's contradicted by the Health System costs but that is then countered by your saving of imprisoning those that have been jailed for Weed. [I'm doing assignments and stuff right now, so you'll excuse me if that didn't make perfect sense. I'm having a hard enough time talking in English, I keep going back to code.]
 

Mrrrgggrlllrrrg

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Illegal I vote, why you may ask. Medically the way the american medical system views it as medicine is to smoke which in all that is holy goes against everything the medical field is for, and "compassionate" use is not a worthy reason to violate what medicine stands for. Isreal has it right.


Now onto recreational users, I dont like you, alcohol is a bad enough intoxicant why make it worse by adding another option to endanger the lives of innocent people. Hell all intoxicated driving should automatically revoke your license.



Now time for personal vendettas, I hate hippies, all of em.
 

NuclearPenguin

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Elcarsh said:
ENKC said:
We don't have cheese curds, but otherwise, we do have the rest but it doesn't come in a white container that insightly informs you "God damn you're fat."
Actually, we do have that. It's called "Keso". It's essentially just cheese curds.
Well. Time for me to get a hell of alot fatter. You should not have informed me of this.
 

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mikespoff said:
Tipsy Giant said:
mikespoff said:
Tipsy Giant said:
NuclearPenguin said:
Tipsy Giant said:
Really all drugs should be legal, if you are stupid enough to take heroin and then you die, that my friend is survival of fittest and we could do with a few less idiots procreating.
I'd rather call it "Natural Selection" than "Survival of the Fittest"
Call it what you will but pandering to the idiots to protect us all is insulting and backwards
Hard to call it "survival of the fittest" when someone freaks out on a bad drug trip and kills someone else...
you are right and making drugs illegal stops that how?

it has nothing to do with the argument for legalisation, it is just fear mongering, driving while drunk is illegal yet alcohol isn't, why anything different for weed?
I may be missing your line of thinking, but the way I read your post, it looked like: "drug abuse only hurts drug users, we should stop protecting them by having drugs illegal, just legalise drugs and the problem will take care of itself as the drug users all die off".

So based on that assumption, I was just pointing out that drug use doesn't only hurt drug users.
My line of thinking was that if we pander to those incapable of making wise life choices, then we all lose out because some people are irresponsible . Those that use drugs and have the ability to hurt others, would either do so with the drugs when they are illegal or whilst using some dangerous legal substitute.
My main point is that with freedom comes responsibility, if you want drugs to be legal treat them with respect.

Never let laws be passed incase "some idiot" hurts someone, otherwise steak knives should be illegal incase a nutjob stabs someone.
 

RatRace123

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I don't like it, but I also don't like booze or cigarettes, so I say legal.
Legalize it, regulate it, enforce "stoned driving" laws; then let the potheads have a grand ol' time, I say.