Poll: Which Fallout faction is best for humanity?

[SoopaSte123]

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2. Except the Legion culture is toxic.

3. Except without benefiting people with education, and reconstruction you're not doing anything good. The NCR rebuilds, and educates.

4. Yes it will. Its documented in an ending where Lannius lead the Legion to its death by throwing massive numbers at well armed factions like the Enclave. Caesar recruited tribals, so they act like it. They have no intelligence, strategy, or common sense. They just want military chest pumping. Lipstick on a pig doesn't make it a classy lady.

5. And Caesar lives forever? He is an old man with shitty strategy. Once he dies, human nature will take its course. The legion will devolve into tribes vying for control of the Legion. Progress takes centuries, not decades. Hell, the Rome he based his tribal confederacy on is more in tune with NCR than the Legion. NCR can take care of its civilians in civilized space, but the Mojave is a war zone. Do we blame America when civilians died during battles in WWII? No. Why should we blame the NCR when battles inevitably catch civilians in the crossfire. That is how battles work, and that is how they will always be.

2. It only needs to last long enough to unite the people, and probably will last longer just fine.

3. That's viewing things too short-term. Education and reconstruction will happen after all the factions are united. Trying to do it first is like trying to put ointment on a wound before stitching it up.

4. You say Caesar recruited tribals so they act like it, but that's his army. When he recruits the members of, say, the Followers of the Apocalypse or the Brotherhood of Steel, the Legion will then gain intelligent, educated members, by your logic.

5. He won't live forever, but if you read my previous posts you'll understand he doesn't need to. And no, NCR is not like Rome, but more like a wanna-be USA, one that doesn't have the resources or manpower to control what they have. Democracy works best in times of peace, not times of horrible struggle and war. You need strong leadership and structure to improve, and then later you can stagnate with your democracy, much as Rome did.

 

[Moromillas]

.... NCR are the bad guys.... Apocalypse and Boomers had the right idea. Work together to improve the conditions for the people, and blast anyone that tries to steal your stuff.

How the hell are the NCR the bad guys? The followers are the one two punch of the NCR. The NCR rebuilds infrastructure, and the followers teach the populace how to use the rebuilt machinery.

They didn't come to the Mojave to improve relations, or even trade. They came with their military to annex the region and siphon all the resources they can get their hands on (which is why they went and took the dam). More Raiders, shoot on sight.

 

[SoopaSte123]

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Well it's obvious that neither of us will give way in this argument, so instead of continuing to address each point of yours, I will merely use the tried and true "agree to disagree". I always like to acknowledge another intelligent, stubborn debater, however, so kudos to you sir.
And I'll make sure to kill a few extra NCRs just for you

 

[ace_of_something]

You mean for the Mojave region right? Cuz I think the midwest/texas had different dynamics. Either way none are a clear cut 'best' they all have flaws. Which is precisely the point. Though given the choices I'm going to have to go with NCR they at least TRY to be benevolent.

 

[Ordinaryundone]

Just to throw a quick wrench in there; Rome started as a flourishing Democracy that exploded under the reign of a good dictator and later collapsed under a series of bad ones and its own unmanagable size. What makes you think any of the Legions other leaders will be nearly as capable as Caesar?

 

[Saulkar]

Basically whoever Podi Puss runs. You cannot argue with his politics.

 

[Moromillas]

.... NCR are the bad guys.... Apocalypse and Boomers had the right idea. Work together to improve the conditions for the people, and blast anyone that tries to steal your stuff.

How the hell are the NCR the bad guys? The followers are the one two punch of the NCR. The NCR rebuilds infrastructure, and the followers teach the populace how to use the rebuilt machinery.

They didn't come to the Mojave to improve relations, or even trade. They came with their military to annex the region and siphon all the resources they can get their hands on (which is why they went and took the dam). More Raiders, shoot on sight.

Except they need those resources to expand. California cannot supply all the resources itself, hell the art of war states that if you can get your resources from anywhere other than your homeland then you do it. Its all part of reconstruction, but on a cheapskate budget.

Yep, and to get those resources, they gotta steal 'em. That means; More Raiders, shoot on sight.

 

[MetroidNut]

NCR all the way. They're a democracy, which automatically makes them a good short-term choice (I do so love my freedom). But just as importantly, they're a whole country. They have cities - maybe none as impressive as New Vegas, but I'll bet they have plenty that are bigger, based on their population. I also believe they're at least somewhat industrialized - if I recall correctly, the Service Rifle is manufactured in the NCR, and I can't imagine they make each one by hand. And they're interested in science, too, based on the Vault 22-related quests.

Basically, they have everything in place to start rebuilding the Wasteland and, before long, make scientific advances beyond pre-War technology, something nobody else but the Enclave has done.

Plus, you know, process of elimination. The Brotherhood doesn't care about people; in fact, they want to keep technology out of everyone else's hands (ostensibly to make sure the people don't misuse the technology, but I'm not exactly convinced). The Enclave, meanwhile, have made two plans to reclaim the Wasteland, both of which involved murdering everyone. Plus, the events of Fallout 2 and Fallout 3 likely weakened them to the point that they couldn't rule the American wasteland if they tried. So they're out.

The Legion are insane murderous assholes, and deserve nothing but a bullet to the head. That notwithstanding, it's stated outright that the Legion will probably collapse after Caesar dies. If the Legion took over the Mojave then collapsed, the region would descend into never-ending war between tribes; the Mojave would return to its immediate post-War state, or possibly worse.

Anarchy would leave the Mojave unprotected; the NCR and Legion would just come back in a few years. Independence, supported heavily with Securitrons, might take care of that, but eventually the Courier would die, and without a strong leader, New Vegas would probably collapse into anarchy, leading to the aforementioned return of the NCR and Legion.

And House? House is a greedy, power-hungry dictator at heart. He might be the only one other than the NCR able to maintain power, but I can't imagine he'd be good for humanity. Yes, he might be able to put humans back in space, but he's not exactly going to share the technology for the good of mankind. Plus, he's not exactly big on the whole "freedom" thing.

 

[Relaver]

Followers of the Apacolipse would be the safest bet, but as they would gain power they would have to change their business models and become more like the NCR. And they also have made some mistakes to ( Casear, Joshua Graham the Great Khans drug trade.)

 

[Nerdstar]

ostensibly the brotherhood is the best choice for humanity in the long run they have the tech and respect it (thus decreasing chances for a future nuclear war in the future) and while they generally don't improve there tech (like the enclave) they have begun to improve and if they survive there innovation is bound to increase, there main problem how ever is and has always been there unwillingness to induct new blood( they had the tech, if they had more recruits the could have won the war with the NCR) and there unwillingness to share tech/knowledge with the common man even if its just basic farming techniques for weapon maintenance(that said the midwestern brotherhood and the east coast BOS are heading in the right direction)

however the NCR is also a strong candidate, they've united a good portion of the west coast wasteland there. By post-apocalyptic standards, the NCR is a paragon of economic success and good ethical character: political enfranchisement, rule of law, a reasonable degree of physical security, and a standard of living better than mere subsistence are daily realities for its 700,000+ citizens. there already one of the more stable factions(at the moment)

that said the best of all worlds would be an NCR with the brotherhood as a registered religion(they are a techno-religious organisation) helping out the growth and defense of the NCR lending troops in its time of need and working together to advance the tech of the NCR and keep everything working (think sort of like and adaptus mechanicus in the imperium for you 40k players minus the degrading knowledge of what the fuck this devices do?!?!)

but since this is not a best of all world scenario the BOS would need to let new people(midwest BOS) in manage a great PR campaign to fix there image, help out the settlements(eastcoast BOS),unite all the varies faction of the brotherhood(they pretty much cover all of America)

 

[jopomeister]

For me, the Brotherhood are the best.
Throughout New Vegas they have a bad reputation, but that's only because the leader is scared of corruption, if they had as many people as the NCR or the Legion, they'd be by far the most fair contenders for the success of in-game humanity.
Apart from anything else, one of their main aims is to prevent another apocalypse, and that's always good.

 

[eggmiester]

NCR is really the best choice. Though there is corruption, on the individual level most of its members (soldiers, politicians, etc) really do want to make the Wasteland a better place. Also, they may ask for taxes but they won't enslave you, do not conscript, and will do their best to keep some raider from showing up and blowing your head off cause he likes your snow globe. Thats a hell of a lot more than any other faction is offering.

House just wants your money, pure and simple. As a living, breathing person you don't mean squat to him unless you are useful in some way. If you aren't, go piss your money away in a casino and GTFO.

The Legion have no sustainability that we have seen. They do absolutely nothing to endear themselves to either the conquered or their neighbors, and the entire operation is still, despite Caesar's best efforts, nothing more than a band of tribals and thugs masquerading as an army. They make it abundantly clear that the only thing holding the Legion together is Caesar, and he won't live forever. Once he dies, it will collapse in on itself and all those "unified" tribes will be right at each others throats again.

Independence=Raiders taking your snowglobes. Some towns would manage, but most would be wiped out. Hell, Goodsprings would have gotten it in the beginning of the game if the Courier hadn't been there. Would any other town like that stand a chance without help? Probably not.

The Enclave and Brotherhood are just a collection of military and science types who are too concerned with hiding in their bunkers and playing last man on Earth to actually run anything. Lyon's group in FO3 were a step in the right direction, but they were more concerned with fighting than rebuilding.

The Followers are a decent non-NCR group, but they are too idealistic with nothing to back it up. Its all well and good that they want to help people, but short of curing a few colds and feeding a few bums they can't really DO anything.

independence can definitely could work dude- if you added in the best of every faction. Caesar was right dude- the best idea's are one's that are a mixture of the the best parts of each group.most of NCR'S idea's are good- remove the corruption(if one person who genuinely cares is in charge,there won't be any trouble),use caesar's brutality on criminals, stick to caps, in exchange for taxes provide EVERY town with protection( house's securitrons are more than capable) and a doctor and education(work with followers of apocalypse-they'd love to help). maybe use connection with brotherhood to advance tech. and take it one step at a time: don't try spread yourself to thin.whad'ya think?