Poll: Who REALLY Destroyed Rapture?

[squidbuddy99]

I was playing through Bioshock 2 when I thought to myself 'who's fault is it that Rapture is so apocalyptic?' You decide! Was it:
Ryan, for abusing his authority?
Fontaine, for trying to take control of Rapture?
Lamb, for turning the people against each other?
Jack, for killing Rapture's ruler?
or Temenbaum, for discovering ADAM and the Little Sisters?

Personally, I think Frank started it by bringing religion into Rapture. Not to talk badly about Christanity or any other religion, but you must admit religious hatred is a powerful thing.

 

[silver wolf009]

Temebaum, without adam it would have been utopia.

 

[Kryzantine]

Ryan. His idea was that people could come to Rapture to get away from political bullshit, economic nonsense, and the issues of morality. Sure enough, those were the reasons they came. They wanted and Ryan gave them total freedom, until he started taking it away systematically soon afterwords. He created the hypocrisy that ultimately drove Rapture to turn on itself.

The fact we can argue about this and get multiple rationales just goes to show how good Bioshock was.

 

[Kollega]

Temebaum, without adam it would have been utopia.

Nah, it would just be civil war, but with less superpowers.

OT: Fontaine is the kind of person because of whom any kind of utopian society shall fail. He is the prime contender here.

 

[GamingAwesome1]

They all fucked something up in their own regard. None are particularly responsible, they all screwed up!

 

[silver wolf009]

Temebaum, without adam it would have been utopia.

Nah, it would just be civil war, but with less superpowers.

OT: Fontaine is the kind of person because of whom any kind of utopian society shall fail.

i dissagree, the civil war wouldnt have been fought if frank fontaine and andrew ryan werent compeating in the plasmid business, and without Adam even if the war did happen then the people wouldnt be insane and there wouldnt be mob rule in the streets, there might have even been a cease fire.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

Fontaine.

If he hadn't monopolized the Plasmid industry before Ryan got a hold of it, none of the Splicers would have gotten around to the whole "being insane" thing.

And his smuggling ring did bring the entire Neptune's Bounty area into the ruin.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

Temebaum, without adam it would have been utopia.

Theoretically yes, but a Utopia can never exist within a human environment.

 

[Darth Caelum]

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Well, something like THAT can't be piled onto one person.

Andrew Ryan was a Visionary yes, but he betrayed his ideals to fight Fontaine. By breaking his Ideals, he destroyed what Rapture was SUPPOSED to be.

Fontaine Destroyed Rapture in the Physical Sense by starting the rebellion that killed and maimed the entire population.

Lamb is, for all intents and purposes, a liar and a Hypocrite. She preaches about peace and order and "Giving oneself to the majority" when she
was unwilling to do so. She destroyed any chance that Rapture had to rebuild, if not for Delta anyway.

Jack is the most innocent in your list, the first half he was a simple slave. In the second half though, well, that was his decisions and his only. Whichever ending it was, the sisters or world domination, it still hurt Rapture.

Tenebaum is, from how i see it, Pandora. She opened a box that can never be closed again. Though to her credit, she does try to reddem herself.

Also, try to put in an Everybody choice in your Poll.

 

[silver wolf009]

Temebaum, without adam it would have been utopia.

Theoretically yes, but a Utopia can never exist within a human environment.

You sound like doctor lamb.

 

[Outofideas]

In the end, it all comes down to Andrew Ryan and the concept of Rapture itself. A hidden city devoted to human ingenuity without any moral or ethical limitations? If it wasn't ADAM, it would have been some other idiot pushing one too many boundaries and blowing our favorite dystopia right out of the ocean. Too many egos, too little space.

 

[Kollega]

i dissagree, the civil war wouldnt have been fought if frank fontaine and andrew ryan werent compeating in the plasmid business, and without Adam even if the war did happen then the people wouldnt be insane and there wouldnt be mob rule in the streets, there might have even been a cease fire.

And i disagree with your disagreement. Fontaine wanted to take over Rapture anyway. Besides plasmids he also had homes for the poor - his "army", as he stated. And smuggling operations. So even without plasmids, there still would be civil war engineered by him.

 

[silver wolf009]

i dissagree, the civil war wouldnt have been fought if frank fontaine and andrew ryan werent compeating in the plasmid business, and without Adam even if the war did happen then the people wouldnt be insane and there wouldnt be mob rule in the streets, there might have even been a cease fire.

And i disagree with your disagreement. Fontaine wanted to take over Rapture anyway. Besides plasmids he also had homes for the poor - his "army", as he stated. And smuggling operations. So even without plasmids, there still would be civil war engineered by him.

Ahh, touche good sir, but when a war is on there has to be either a victor, or a standstill. If adam didnt enter the equation then whoever won would have control over a city, not an asylum.

 

[Axolotl]

Ryan, Fonmtaine only did what Ryan's philosophy dictated he should do, he was exactly what Ryan wanted people in Rapture to be.

 

[Banana Phone Man]

I will say Tenenbaum for discovering the ADAM. Not her fault but indirectly I think she played a massive part.

All in all I think it was pretty much everyone was part of the distruction. If you take out one of them the destruction may never have happened. However that may not apply to Jack or Sofia lamb. Andrew Ryan, Fontain and Tenembaum were the big contributers in my opinion.

 

[squidbuddy99]

i dissagree, the civil war wouldnt have been fought if frank fontaine and andrew ryan werent compeating in the plasmid business, and without Adam even if the war did happen then the people wouldnt be insane and there wouldnt be mob rule in the streets, there might have even been a cease fire.

And i disagree with your disagreement. Fontaine wanted to take over Rapture anyway. Besides plasmids he also had homes for the poor - his "army", as he stated. And smuggling operations. So even without plasmids, there still would be civil war engineered by him.

Ahh, touche good sir, but when a war is on there has to be either a victor, or a standstill. If adam didnt enter the equation then whoever won would have control over a city, not an asylum.

This is starting to look like a Ryan vs Lamb speech.

 

[silver wolf009]

i dissagree, the civil war wouldnt have been fought if frank fontaine and andrew ryan werent compeating in the plasmid business, and without Adam even if the war did happen then the people wouldnt be insane and there wouldnt be mob rule in the streets, there might have even been a cease fire.

And i disagree with your disagreement. Fontaine wanted to take over Rapture anyway. Besides plasmids he also had homes for the poor - his "army", as he stated. And smuggling operations. So even without plasmids, there still would be civil war engineered by him.

Ahh, touche good sir, but when a war is on there has to be either a victor, or a standstill. If adam didnt enter the equation then whoever won would have control over a city, not an asylum.

This is starting to look like a Ryan vs Lamb speech.

It is raining in rapture Kollega, you just havent taken a walk.