Poll: Why do players in RDR firmly expect to not be attacked while doing challenges?

[lightingbird]

Nice to see some people never grow up.

Never grew up because he said find another lobby if you keep getting killed and you can't handle it. Are you sure that you are referring to him as the one that has not grown up?

 

[Reg5879]

If the people hate getting attacked, then why not just do Private Free Roam?

I only have one other person on my friends list that even has this game, why should I handicap my game experience because other people are douches?

Why should people handicap their experiences because people like you can't handle getting killed? The point of Free Roam is to do whatever you want.

The point of Free-roam is to take on the world of Red Dead Redemption as a group. So you are no longer the lone gunslinger. Numerous times, I've seen myself killed by an ass who wanted to kill eachother because he doesn't know what else to do. They spawn in with a gun and see other players. Instead of looking around and finding something fun to do that would leave everyone happy (And there are PLENTY of things to do) they immeaditily think "Hey, I have a gun and the game set me up with some other players, my objective must be to kill them!"

If they want to play a game where the objective is to kill the other player then they can pop in Call of Duty or Halo or TF2 or something! Just because the game gives you the option to "Do whatever you want" doesn't mean you should be a jerk and continously ruin the experience of other players.

Every heard the phrase "Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should"? I think that applies here pretty well.

Hey, I actually ain't one of the people that goes around killing everyone, I just look at this from both sides and when I think Free Roam, I think do whatever you want, let people have their fun and if you keep getting killed, just move onto another lobby and hope for the best or just stay away from the player doing the killing, the world map is pretty big you know.

Yes, and the game map tends to have a tendency to spawn you nearby where you were gunned down. Most of the time, these griefers look for your respawn and rush over to you to kill you again. Why should I leave because some asshole is being a douche?

And even then, moving into another lobby or not, you'll tend to find at least one player who likes to kill others. It only takes one spark to set off a powder keg and with up to 16 potential firestarters in one room, it's only a matter of time before that room itself becomes just like all the others. I miss the set up they had for GTA 4 where you could vote out players who you didn't want around. Better yet, use the Shadowrun method, where the group in a whole can decide wether to boot one side or the other and then do what they want without interferance.

If the group wants to kill one another, fine, boot the player who doesn't. If the group wants to quest, fine, boot the player who doesn't. Everyone goes home happy and able to do what they want.

Here's a plan, why not try killing the player that goes for you or get everyone in the lobby to gang up on him, you could get some revenge that way.

Anyway seriously, if people on the Public Lobby are being a pain in the ass, get the people you are raiding Hideouts with and set up a Private Lobby, that is what it's there for.

 

[Nerf Ninja]

The point of Free-roam is to take on the world of Red Dead Redemption as a group. So you are no longer the lone gunslinger. Numerous times, I've seen myself killed by an ass who wanted to kill eachother because he doesn't know what else to do. They spawn in with a gun and see other players. Instead of looking around and finding something fun to do that would leave everyone happy (And there are PLENTY of things to do) they immeaditily think "Hey, I have a gun and the game set me up with some other players, my objective must be to kill them!"

If they want to play a game where the objective is to kill the other player then they can pop in Call of Duty or Halo or TF2 or something! Just because the game gives you the option to "Do whatever you want" doesn't mean you should be a jerk and continously ruin the experience of other players.

Every heard the phrase "Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should"? I think that applies here pretty well.

Errr NO. That is not the point of free roam. That is your take on what free roam should be. It is not a group setting. It is not a solo setting. It is a part of the game that anyone can do anything. Stop trying to implement made up rules. Also, it applies to your wording of "jerk". I too don't shoot everyone I see but I don't freak out when it happens to me. As a matter of fact, in a free roam setting why would anyone seriously not expect to be fired on? I honestly don't get that. Someone said are you all wimps again. No, I don't think that but lets just say you all aren't the toughest bunch either.

It has nothing to do with being "tough" but it does have everything to do with trying to enjoy the game our way, which is apparently not good enough for some people and we just can't grasp how fun it is to do nothing but shoot each other over and over again for virtually no reward.

How is your concept of free roam any more valid than mine?

 

[lightingbird]

I'm with Reg. I just don't get the emotion of feeling harassed. If I log into a fight I either fight back or I allow the game to spawn me because it will put me a nice distance away. Usually, I just get in on the fun and fight back.

Griefers? Ha no not remotely. Its a free roam game based around the wild west not Carebears in the wild.

 

[Nerf Ninja]

I'm with Reg. I just don't get the emotion of feeling harassed. If I log into a fight I either fight back or I allow the game to spawn me because it will put me a nice distance away. Usually, I just get in on the fun and fight back.

Griefers? Ha no not remotely. Its a free roam game based around the wild west not Carebears in the wild.

I don't personally feel griefed as such rather that I'm trying to do something and some idiot is stopping me because his fun is more important apparently.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

The point of Free-roam is to take on the world of Red Dead Redemption as a group. So you are no longer the lone gunslinger. Numerous times, I've seen myself killed by an ass who wanted to kill eachother because he doesn't know what else to do. They spawn in with a gun and see other players. Instead of looking around and finding something fun to do that would leave everyone happy (And there are PLENTY of things to do) they immeaditily think "Hey, I have a gun and the game set me up with some other players, my objective must be to kill them!"

If they want to play a game where the objective is to kill the other player then they can pop in Call of Duty or Halo or TF2 or something! Just because the game gives you the option to "Do whatever you want" doesn't mean you should be a jerk and continously ruin the experience of other players.

Every heard the phrase "Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should"? I think that applies here pretty well.

Errr NO. That is not the point of free roam. That is your take on what free roam should be. It is not a group setting. It is not a solo setting. It is a part of the game that anyone can do anything. Stop trying to implement made up rules. Also, it applies to your wording of "jerk". I too don't shoot everyone I see but I don't freak out when it happens to me. As a matter of fact, in a free roam setting why would anyone seriously not expect to be fired on? I honestly don't get that. Someone said are you all wimps again. No, I don't think that but lets just say you all aren't the toughest bunch either.

Yes, and killing is YOUR definition on Free-roam. So what? We can't play the way we want to play? What if we don't want to go gun-toting crazy? What if we don't wanna kill one another?

So imagine this, I'm walking in the desert, I get gunned down. Then I spawn 20 feet from my latest corpse. Then again. and again. And the cycle continues until either he runs out of bullets or I decide to fight back and when the latter happens then I'm being forced to play his way! There isn't much option to do whatever you want in Free-roam when your fired upon. You either quickly change your goals for the game and fire back or you die until you quit or the other guy runs out of bullets and since your corpse leaves a fresh crop of rifle and pistol ammo, that doesn't tend to happen.

You're complaining about us forcing you to play our way, yet every time they fire upon us with the intent to kill, we're being forced to either play their way or hope they are mature enough to walk away after killing us before we get to point of shooting back.

 

[lightingbird]

How is your concept of free roam any more valid than mine?

Well my concept comes right from the devs mouth's. My concept is in sync with the setting of the wild west. My concept chimes with the name FREE roam. My concept accepts there will people who group up, those who don't, and those who do other stuff.

Your concept is not along the lines of the devs and only concerns with those who do not want to fight or act in the "free" setting.

Not sure why you asked that.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

If the people hate getting attacked, then why not just do Private Free Roam?

I only have one other person on my friends list that even has this game, why should I handicap my game experience because other people are douches?

Why should people handicap their experiences because people like you can't handle getting killed? The point of Free Roam is to do whatever you want.

The point of Free-roam is to take on the world of Red Dead Redemption as a group. So you are no longer the lone gunslinger. Numerous times, I've seen myself killed by an ass who wanted to kill eachother because he doesn't know what else to do. They spawn in with a gun and see other players. Instead of looking around and finding something fun to do that would leave everyone happy (And there are PLENTY of things to do) they immeaditily think "Hey, I have a gun and the game set me up with some other players, my objective must be to kill them!"

If they want to play a game where the objective is to kill the other player then they can pop in Call of Duty or Halo or TF2 or something! Just because the game gives you the option to "Do whatever you want" doesn't mean you should be a jerk and continously ruin the experience of other players.

Every heard the phrase "Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should"? I think that applies here pretty well.

Hey, I actually ain't one of the people that goes around killing everyone, I just look at this from both sides and when I think Free Roam, I think do whatever you want, let people have their fun and if you keep getting killed, just move onto another lobby and hope for the best or just stay away from the player doing the killing, the world map is pretty big you know.

Yes, and the game map tends to have a tendency to spawn you nearby where you were gunned down. Most of the time, these griefers look for your respawn and rush over to you to kill you again. Why should I leave because some asshole is being a douche?

And even then, moving into another lobby or not, you'll tend to find at least one player who likes to kill others. It only takes one spark to set off a powder keg and with up to 16 potential firestarters in one room, it's only a matter of time before that room itself becomes just like all the others. I miss the set up they had for GTA 4 where you could vote out players who you didn't want around. Better yet, use the Shadowrun method, where the group in a whole can decide wether to boot one side or the other and then do what they want without interferance.

If the group wants to kill one another, fine, boot the player who doesn't. If the group wants to quest, fine, boot the player who doesn't. Everyone goes home happy and able to do what they want.

Here's a plan, why not try killing the player that goes for you or get everyone in the lobby to gang up on him, you could get some revenge that way.

Anyway seriously, if people on the Public Lobby are being a pain in the ass, get the people you are raiding Hideouts with and set up a Private Lobby, that is what it's there for.

As I told the other poster, then I'm forcing myself to play his way for the sake of revenge.

There isn't any free choice when being shot on by another player. It's either play his way or don't play at all. Where is the free-choice in free-roam in that?

 

[lightingbird]

Yes, and killing is YOUR definition on Free-roam. So what? We can't play the way we want to play? What if we don't want to go gun-toting crazy? What if we don't wanna kill one another?

So imagine this, I'm walking in the desert, I get gunned down. Then I spawn 20 feet from my latest corpse. Then again. and again. And the cycle continues until either he runs out of bullets or I decide to fight back and when the latter happens then I'm being forced to play his way! There isn't much option to do whatever you want in Free-roam when your fired upon. You either quickly change your goals for the game and fire back or you die until you quit or the other guy runs out of bullets and since your corpse leaves a fresh crop of rifle and pistol ammo, that doesn't tend to happen.

You're complaining about us forcing you to play our way, yet every time they fire upon us with the intent to kill, we're being forced to either play their way or hope they are mature enough to walk away after killing us before we get to point of shooting back.

My God. My definition is not me killing you, its doing whatever I want with full expectations that at any moment I could get attacked by several players. Simple.

If you don't want to kill one another then why not just play single mode if MP is too harsh for you. Better yet if you are in a group and this happens why not immediately go to private and problem solved? That way your happy. Free roam is just that free. If you want special rules your only option besides killing the enemy is to go private. Ha its not about maturity clearly. Its about certain people not being able to handle the pvp. I play with nothing but grown ass men and all of us can handle doing hunts or hideouts and getting jumped.

Why can't you?

 

[maddawg IAJI]

How is your concept of free roam any more valid than mine?

Well my concept comes right from the devs mouth's. My concept is in sync with the setting of the wild west. My concept chimes with the name FREE roam. My concept accepts there will people who group up, those who don't, and those who do other stuff.

Your concept is not along the lines of the devs and only concerns with those who do not want to fight or act in the "free" setting.

Not sure why you asked that.

If our concept wasen't alligned with the devs then why would they even put anything into free roams other then guns?

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Yes, and killing is YOUR definition on Free-roam. So what? We can't play the way we want to play? What if we don't want to go gun-toting crazy? What if we don't wanna kill one another?

So imagine this, I'm walking in the desert, I get gunned down. Then I spawn 20 feet from my latest corpse. Then again. and again. And the cycle continues until either he runs out of bullets or I decide to fight back and when the latter happens then I'm being forced to play his way! There isn't much option to do whatever you want in Free-roam when your fired upon. You either quickly change your goals for the game and fire back or you die until you quit or the other guy runs out of bullets and since your corpse leaves a fresh crop of rifle and pistol ammo, that doesn't tend to happen.

You're complaining about us forcing you to play our way, yet every time they fire upon us with the intent to kill, we're being forced to either play their way or hope they are mature enough to walk away after killing us before we get to point of shooting back.

My God. My definition is not me killing you, its doing whatever I want with full expectations that at any moment I could get attacked by several players. Simple.

If you don't want to kill one another then why not just play single mode if MP is too harsh for you. Better yet if you are in a group and this happens why not immediately go to private and problem solved? That way your happy. Free roam is just that free. If you want special rules your only option besides killing the enemy is to go private. Ha its not about maturity clearly. Its about certain people not being able to handle the pvp. I play with nothing but grown ass men and all of us can handle doing hunts or hideouts and getting jumped.

Why can't you?

Edit: Sorry, hit post button before typing.

 

[Nerf Ninja]

How is your concept of free roam any more valid than mine?

Well my concept comes right from the devs mouth's. My concept is in sync with the setting of the wild west. My concept chimes with the name FREE roam. My concept accepts there will people who group up, those who don't, and those who do other stuff.

Your concept is not along the lines of the devs and only concerns with those who do not want to fight or act in the "free" setting.

Not sure why you asked that.

Free Roam brings the open-world experience to multiplayer for up-to-16 players, with the opportunity to form posses of up-to-8 to take on the world's gang hideouts, ambient challenges - and each other. Free Roam also gives players a living, breathing world instead of a generic game lobby - with the freedom to roam the open expanse, hunting or creating shootouts before heading into competitive game modes - and leveling up with every major action. With each level come new avatars, outfits, mounts, playlists and challenges.

So from this you get "shoot everyone"?

 

[lightingbird]

If our concept wasen't alligned with the devs then why would they even put anything into free roams other then guns?

That doesn't really fit into what we are talking about. The simple solution is just to go private. I mean if they implemented Coop Roam, wouldn't it be the same thing as going private?

 

[Reg5879]

If the people hate getting attacked, then why not just do Private Free Roam?

I only have one other person on my friends list that even has this game, why should I handicap my game experience because other people are douches?

Why should people handicap their experiences because people like you can't handle getting killed? The point of Free Roam is to do whatever you want.

The point of Free-roam is to take on the world of Red Dead Redemption as a group. So you are no longer the lone gunslinger. Numerous times, I've seen myself killed by an ass who wanted to kill eachother because he doesn't know what else to do. They spawn in with a gun and see other players. Instead of looking around and finding something fun to do that would leave everyone happy (And there are PLENTY of things to do) they immeaditily think "Hey, I have a gun and the game set me up with some other players, my objective must be to kill them!"

If they want to play a game where the objective is to kill the other player then they can pop in Call of Duty or Halo or TF2 or something! Just because the game gives you the option to "Do whatever you want" doesn't mean you should be a jerk and continously ruin the experience of other players.

Every heard the phrase "Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should"? I think that applies here pretty well.

Hey, I actually ain't one of the people that goes around killing everyone, I just look at this from both sides and when I think Free Roam, I think do whatever you want, let people have their fun and if you keep getting killed, just move onto another lobby and hope for the best or just stay away from the player doing the killing, the world map is pretty big you know.

Yes, and the game map tends to have a tendency to spawn you nearby where you were gunned down. Most of the time, these griefers look for your respawn and rush over to you to kill you again. Why should I leave because some asshole is being a douche?

And even then, moving into another lobby or not, you'll tend to find at least one player who likes to kill others. It only takes one spark to set off a powder keg and with up to 16 potential firestarters in one room, it's only a matter of time before that room itself becomes just like all the others. I miss the set up they had for GTA 4 where you could vote out players who you didn't want around. Better yet, use the Shadowrun method, where the group in a whole can decide wether to boot one side or the other and then do what they want without interferance.

If the group wants to kill one another, fine, boot the player who doesn't. If the group wants to quest, fine, boot the player who doesn't. Everyone goes home happy and able to do what they want.

Here's a plan, why not try killing the player that goes for you or get everyone in the lobby to gang up on him, you could get some revenge that way.

Anyway seriously, if people on the Public Lobby are being a pain in the ass, get the people you are raiding Hideouts with and set up a Private Lobby, that is what it's there for.

As I told the other poster, then I'm forcing myself to play his way for the sake of revenge.

There isn't any free choice when being shot on by another player. It's either play his way or don't play at all. Where is the free-choice in free-roam in that?

So, you are allowed to have the free choice of doing what you want and the other guy isn't allowed to have the free choice to do what he wants? Also, if he is up in your face, you have the fast travel things to get you out of there.

Also, I would say Private Lobby again, but you get what I mean already.

 

[Reg5879]

How is your concept of free roam any more valid than mine?

Well my concept comes right from the devs mouth's. My concept is in sync with the setting of the wild west. My concept chimes with the name FREE roam. My concept accepts there will people who group up, those who don't, and those who do other stuff.

Your concept is not along the lines of the devs and only concerns with those who do not want to fight or act in the "free" setting.

Not sure why you asked that.

Free Roam brings the open-world experience to multiplayer for up-to-16 players, with the opportunity to form posses of up-to-8 to take on the world's gang hideouts, ambient challenges - and each other. Free Roam also gives players a living, breathing world instead of a generic game lobby - with the freedom to roam the open expanse, hunting or creating shootouts before heading into competitive game modes - and leveling up with every major action. With each level come new avatars, outfits, mounts, playlists and challenges.

So from this you get "shoot everyone"?

"take on the world's gang hideouts, ambient challenges - and EACH OTHER"

"with the freedom to roam the open expanse, hunting or CREATING SHOOTOUTS"

EDIT: Meaning do whatever you want including taking on other players.

 

[lightingbird]

Free Roam brings the open-world experience to multiplayer for up-to-16 players, with the opportunity to form posses of up-to-8 to take on the world's gang hideouts, ambient challenges - and each other. Free Roam also gives players a living, breathing world instead of a generic game lobby - with the freedom to roam the open expanse, hunting or creating shootouts before heading into competitive game modes - and leveling up with every major action. With each level come new avatars, outfits, mounts, playlists and challenges.

So from this you get "shoot everyone"?

You might want to read my post again, again, and then again later. I never said shoot everyone. I am saying that I can do anything I want, you can also do whatever you want, and everyone should accept they might get into combat at any time. Reflecting the time period and the setting for this game.

 

[Nerf Ninja]

Yes, and killing is YOUR definition on Free-roam. So what? We can't play the way we want to play? What if we don't want to go gun-toting crazy? What if we don't wanna kill one another?

So imagine this, I'm walking in the desert, I get gunned down. Then I spawn 20 feet from my latest corpse. Then again. and again. And the cycle continues until either he runs out of bullets or I decide to fight back and when the latter happens then I'm being forced to play his way! There isn't much option to do whatever you want in Free-roam when your fired upon. You either quickly change your goals for the game and fire back or you die until you quit or the other guy runs out of bullets and since your corpse leaves a fresh crop of rifle and pistol ammo, that doesn't tend to happen.

You're complaining about us forcing you to play our way, yet every time they fire upon us with the intent to kill, we're being forced to either play their way or hope they are mature enough to walk away after killing us before we get to point of shooting back.

My God. My definition is not me killing you, its doing whatever I want with full expectations that at any moment I could get attacked by several players. Simple.

If you don't want to kill one another then why not just play single mode if MP is too harsh for you. Better yet if you are in a group and this happens why not immediately go to private and problem solved? That way your happy. Free roam is just that free. If you want special rules your only option besides killing the enemy is to go private. Ha its not about maturity clearly. Its about certain people not being able to handle the pvp. I play with nothing but grown ass men and all of us can handle doing hunts or hideouts and getting jumped.

Why can't you?

Do you play with the same people on a regular basis?

I don't have that option I only have one person on my friends list that even has the game so if I want multiplayer I HAVE to go on public. I've even partaken in the shoot everyone theme that is always happening, but sometimes I'd rather just do something else please. Apparently that's a bad thing.

 

[Reg5879]

Actually, couldn't you try asking the person not to attack you as well?

Ok, he might not reply and still go after you, but worth a try. =)

 

[lightingbird]

No I don't play with the same people. I often meet new players almost everytime I play. The times I don't, if we run into each other we may get into a gun fight. That's just the game we play.

 

[RoutineEnvelope]

If you're trying to build up your bounty so you can earn an achievment, expect trouble from other players. If you're out in a small group up at Tall Tree's killing grizzly bears, then no one will bother you. If you're in a crowded area there are going to be people trying to kill you. It doesn't help that if you have autoaim then you can't hit the left trigger without latching on to another player.


I turned my autoaim down, for the record.


I hate to say it, but if you're not comfortable with being assaulted when you're trying a challenge or anything, try it with friends, or in a private match. You can't expect everyone on the internet to forget about general gist of the free roam and not shoot at you.