Poll: Will bioware be able to pull this year off?

[Mikeyfell]

thats a pretty..strange quote any Idea where it came from?

"We realized that because we have shooter combat, we inevitably will be compared with the best shooters in the world. So we have to get to that level," Hudson said. "Now, with Mass Effect 3, we're able to complete that evolution with improvements across the board."

and I dont know....enjoy the game on its own merits as opoased to weather or not is has an inventory systm?

but you took that quote and completley twisted it around, all it really ment was "we are working on improving the combat" not "we want it to be like bullet storm"

Bullet storm is a FIRST person shooter...ME? 3rd person perspective...VERY different things

Mass effect a COD killer? since when? like I said 3rd person FIRST person...VERY different

The Bulletstorm line wasn't part of the Bioware quote it was part to the Escapist paraphrasing from the statement. The quote still demonstrates that they're going for a market change.

And there has been lots of news about "leaked" multyplayer from Mass Effect 3. Each article mentions Call of Duty without fail. I'm hoping that just like the box art scandal with ME2 that it's just a marketing ploy.

mabye Bioware isnt so much focusing on the hardcore RPG thing...well what can you do? I mean as long as the GAMES are good (like you even said with ME2) then thats all one can really hope for

Believe it or not there are a handful of people that think RPG's are good. and lots of those people rely on Bioware for action RPG's. Besides EVERYONE is ripping off Call of Duty now, Bioware is not doing it's self any favors.

anyway Im not saying your not entitled to your opinion...its just somtimes I get the impression that people expect a game to follow an EXACT set of standdards if its from a developer with a reputation and following like Bioware (or the game to be perfect), they try and deviate from that (or put out somthing less thatn perfect) and people act like they have unsulted their god or somthing

I don't see how that's too hard to understand. Bioware makes RPG's, just like PopCap makes addictive mini-games, or Rockstar makes sandbox games or Infinity ward (and everyone else) makes cover based shooters.

I could get a cover based shooter from any developer. There are so few RPG developers that loosing one of the good ones to the CoD plague is infuriating.

and I mean they arnt actually looking at what the game is rather what it ISNT. Im not saying you or anyone else has to love every game Bioware makes but it justs seems like people lack perspective

Everyone's already doing what Bioware wants to turn Mass Effect into.

The problem is that there's nothing in the news about the story, or an upgraded morality system, or how they're going to replace the planet scanning thing.
The way the sex scenes are headed the one in ME 3 is going to involve putting more clothes on.
They haven't mentioned any additions to the party. (Maybe for spoiler reasons).
Nothing they've said about ME3 sounds good.
All they ever talk about is the shooting. The shooting works just fine in Mass Effect 2 leave it alone add other stuff to the game. The shooting could be so perfect that is parts the heavens and brings euphoria to the world. If that's the only thing Mass Effect 3 has in it it will be boring.

 

[Vault101]

thats a pretty..strange quote any Idea where it came from?

"We realized that because we have shooter combat, we inevitably will be compared with the best shooters in the world. So we have to get to that level," Hudson said. "Now, with Mass Effect 3, we're able to complete that evolution with improvements across the board."

and I dont know....enjoy the game on its own merits as opoased to weather or not is has an inventory systm?

but you took that quote and completley twisted it around, all it really ment was "we are working on improving the combat" not "we want it to be like bullet storm"

Bullet storm is a FIRST person shooter...ME? 3rd person perspective...VERY different things

Mass effect a COD killer? since when? like I said 3rd person FIRST person...VERY different

The Bulletstorm line wasn't part of the Bioware quote it was part to the Escapist paraphrasing from the statement. The quote still demonstrates that they're going for a market change.

And there has been lots of news about "leaked" multyplayer from Mass Effect 3. Each article mentions Call of Duty without fail. I'm hoping that just like the box art scandal with ME2 that it's just a marketing ploy.

mabye Bioware isnt so much focusing on the hardcore RPG thing...well what can you do? I mean as long as the GAMES are good (like you even said with ME2) then thats all one can really hope for

Believe it or not there are a handful of people that think RPG's are good. and lots of those people rely on Bioware for action RPG's. Besides EVERYONE is ripping off Call of Duty now, Bioware is not doing it's self any favors.

anyway Im not saying your not entitled to your opinion...its just somtimes I get the impression that people expect a game to follow an EXACT set of standdards if its from a developer with a reputation and following like Bioware (or the game to be perfect), they try and deviate from that (or put out somthing less thatn perfect) and people act like they have unsulted their god or somthing

I don't see how that's too hard to understand. Bioware makes RPG's, just like PopCap makes addictive mini-games, or Rockstar makes sandbox games or Infinity ward (and everyone else) makes cover based shooters.

I could get a cover based shooter from any developer. There are so few RPG developers that loosing one of the good ones to the CoD plague is infuriating.

and I mean they arnt actually looking at what the game is rather what it ISNT. Im not saying you or anyone else has to love every game Bioware makes but it justs seems like people lack perspective

Everyone's already doing what Bioware wants to turn Mass Effect into.

The problem is that there's nothing in the news about the story, or an upgraded morality system, or how they're going to replace the planet scanning thing.
The way the sex scenes are headed the one in ME 3 is going to involve putting more clothes on.
They haven't mentioned any additions to the party. (Maybe for spoiler reasons).
Nothing they've said about ME3 sounds good.
All they ever talk about is the shooting. The shooting works just fine in Mass Effect 2 leave it alone add other stuff to the game. The shooting could be so perfect that is parts the heavens and brings euphoria to the world. If that's the only thing Mass Effect 3 has in it it will be boring.

speculation isnt always a good thing

I think you need to relax and stop freaking out over information that comes out

I mean weather or not anyone agrees with what they are doing...the thing is they KNOW what they are doing

I mean yeah....ME tries be like COD.. thats jsut sounds completley rediculous, makes about as much sense as saying they are going to replace the shooting with tetris

I mean honestly how much are they going to change? you honestly think they will get rid of dialogue or somthing? thats also rediculous

and its not surprsing that they arnt giving to much away in regards to plot details...why would you want to know anything? isnt it just better to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait for the game to come out?

I mean worst case scenario you get a situation like DA2...which Im prett sure WONT happen because DA2 copied ME, and unless they make ME3 an oldschool RPG like DA:O...well you get the idea

bottom line, haters gonna hate, people will specualte some will love the game and some will hate it

I sure am glad I wasnt on the internet in between ME1 and ME2

EDIT: and in regards to ME and COD I couldnt think of two games anymore different

 

[Canadish]

bottom line, haters gonna hate, people will specualte some will love the game and some will hate it

I sure am glad I wasnt on the internet in between ME1 and ME2

EDIT: and in regards to ME and COD I couldnt think of two games anymore different

Actually, it was all pretty positive.
Bioware had a spotless record, everyone trusted the marketing team was telling them everything.
No one even dreamed they'd completely SCRAP the Mako.
Or the Inventory.
Or companion armour.
Or have a weak main story.

Even after, it was only minor grumbles. The game was still great. Still Bioware.
We assumed this was just a one off to draw in a few of the Frat boy Madden-COD only morons. And you know, TOR had their best writers.
After that everything was going to get better...Right? It couldn't get...worse?!

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[OutforEC]

I, and everyone I speak with about games in my RL, are excitedly looking forward to TOR.

I, and everyone I speak with about games in my RL, are excitedly looking forward to ME3.

I, and everyone I speak with about games in my RL, are pretty sure Bioware will do just fine.

 

[WorldCritic]

I think ME3 will do just fine. As for TOR I'm not an MMO player and don't pretend to be so I can't really give a fair judgement on that, but I think even if it can't beat wow, it might become popular among Star Wars and Bioware fans.

 

[Mikeyfell]

I mean weather or not anyone agrees with what they are doing...the thing is they KNOW what they are doing

Are you sure they know what they're doing?
They're ditching their primary audience.
They're trying to enter into another market that has more competition than any other market.
The average member of that market would describe a traditional RPG as "boring".
They picked a multi-million-dollar fight with WoW.
They spread their QA so thin they missed game breaking bugs in DA2.
Their marketing is actively scaring off loyal Bioware customers.
I don't think they have a fucking clue what they're doing.

I mean yeah....ME tries be like COD.. thats jsut sounds completley rediculous, makes about as much sense as saying they are going to replace the shooting with tetris

I mean honestly how much are they going to change? you honestly think they will get rid of dialogue or somthing? thats also rediculous

Mass Effect 2 had about Half the Dialog that was in Mass Effect.
Granted there was a LOT of dialog in Mass Effect. But hearing "I'm in the middle of some calibrations. Could you come back later?" Over and over again was disappointing.
If they can put one conversation per mission that would be great. but If you look at how Dragon Age 2 was, it seems like Bioware is paring down the amount of dialog in their games.

and its not surprsing that they arnt giving to much away in regards to plot details...why would you want to know anything? isnt it just better to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait for the game to come out?

I was giving them the benefit of the doubt up until the "leaked" multyplayer story.
Now with the "Combat perfected" story I want some reassurance. A gameplay trailer? Something?

I mean worst case scenario you get a situation like DA2...which Im prett sure WONT happen because DA2 copied ME, and unless they make ME3 an oldschool RPG like DA:O...well you get the idea

Actually worst case scenario ME3 plays like CoD and I climb a clocktower with a rifle.

EDIT: and in regards to ME and COD I couldnt think of two games anymore different

Neither could I. Bioware seems to disagree.

[sub]Maybe Mass Effect and Plants Vs. Zombies[/sub]

 

[Vault101]

bottom line, haters gonna hate, people will specualte some will love the game and some will hate it

I sure am glad I wasnt on the internet in between ME1 and ME2

EDIT: and in regards to ME and COD I couldnt think of two games anymore different

Actually, it was all pretty positive.
Bioware had a spotless record, everyone trusted the marketing team was telling them everything.
No one even dreamed they'd completely SCRAP the Mako.
Or the Inventory.
Or companion armour.
Or have a weak main story.

Even after, it was only minor grumbles. The game was still great. Still Bioware.
We assumed this was just a one off to draw in a few of the Frat boy Madden-COD only morons. And you know, TOR had their best writers.
After that everything was going to get better
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all Im going to say is I dont think any of those things added much to the game in the first place, plus story wise thats subjective

as for DA2 Ill have to play it for myself

I mean I now get that RPG's are what Bioware do...but I wish people wouldnt get so hung up on genres or anything that deviates from said genre...I meaning hating things isnt fun at all...

 

[Vault101]

well what ever they are doing its up to them...for better or worse

anyway I still dont understand this comparison to COD and FFS it will not play like COD because COD is in FIRST PERSON (I understand the comparison to Gears of war how ever) is it in regards to multiplayer? I thourght mutiplayer just wasnt going to happen?

and if they do have multiplayer (which seems unlikeley)...I dont know mabye the universe will implode or somthing?

3rd person shooters are less common than FPS and even then you cant define the story or art design or mood of the game "soley" on its gameplay/combat

I mean seriously can somone please tell me what the point is in freaking out over "leaked" stuff or any little detail that comes out?

anyway Im not going to worry

 

[Vault101]

I, and everyone I speak with about games in my RL, are excitedly looking forward to TOR.

I, and everyone I speak with about games in my RL, are excitedly looking forward to ME3.

I, and everyone I speak with about games in my RL, are pretty sure Bioware will do just fine.

moral of the story is...the internet can give you a headache

 

[Bobbity]

Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 are and were developed by two different Bioware studios. What's happened in DA won't negatively effect ME, because it's a different team working on it. I have to say that I'm pretty pumped.

TOR, I'm not sure about though. Admittedly, the project stole all of Bioware's best writers - that's why ME2 wasn't story-wise at quite the same level as its predecessor - and they've put a lot of time and a lot of money into developing it. However, I don't know how well it's all going to come together, or even where the potential crowd is going to come from. It's very difficult to steal an audience from another MMO, and there aren't just that many people left who might potentially pick this game up. Then again, I could be wrong.

Side note:
It's DA3 that I'm really concerned about. Hopefully the studio responsible for that game can put in a much greater effort next time.

As well as being handcuffed by Ea, sounds like Bioware is really spreading themselves too thin these days.

The glory days are long gone, i would say.

True. On the other hand, DA2 might have shown EA that it needed to back off slightly. Well, hopefully it did, anyway. I agree that Bioware is spreading itself thin, and I think that they should perhaps focus on only one or two projects at a time, in the interests of producing a serious, quality game.

 

[Appleshampoo]

Bioware aren't exactly doing well with sequels these days, so I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Shepard's Shadow]

I think they can. They have not let me down yet. I have faith in them.

 

[ChieftainStag]

I was concerned when i learned they were working on 3 games at once. now I have no idea how large BioWare is but ive heard it's large so they should be able to handle it. I'm happy to have Dragon Age 2 released as now they can focus on The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3. now that i think about it they pretty much hit awesomeness with ME2 so they need to smooth out a few things (melee combat for one) and they pretty much redesigning Old REpublic stuff so it's hard to tell what will happen.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

...Enough in fact to make me nervous for ME3, which can either do as good as ME2 or better, or flop.

That's some interesting wording there. You're right ofcourse. Big dev companies can't make "okay" games anymore. They either re-invent the world and start a golden of age of Blah, Blah, Blah (as with ME2)........or they are mercilessly criticized to within an inch of their lives (as with DA2).

If it were made by anyone else, No-one would give a rat's ass about how Bland DA2 looks....... but since it's Bioware.......

Also, Isn't TOR going to go online next year? I heard they delayed it, I think? Or is it still scheduled for this year?

 

[Mookowicz]

Bioware's a great adventure/RPG-game company, but I don't think that the strengths that make good adventure games are what a good MMO design needs.

Bioware's reputation and adventure design will surely sell licenses initially, but MMOs make their money from subscriptions -- and players gobble adventure content faster than MMO developers can create it. So in the longer term, a MMO lives or dies by its game economy.

Has Bioware built a good adventure game -and- a good game economy though? Possibly, but it hasn't said much about game economy -- instead it's been promoting just the bits you'd expect an adventure/RPG company to be obsessed by: voice acting, adventure scripts and character progression. That rings warning bells for me.

The other thing is that Bioware has to change its business to support a MMO. Sure, it needs servers, a lot more helpdesk and administration -- and if the game tanks, then those costs will come out of development money for other games -- but more than that, a MMO connects people to people in much the same way that a social networking site does. Is Bioware ready to think of itself that way, or does it still think of itself as an adventure games shop?

The business-cynic in me suspects that in SW:ToR Bioware is trying to create a captive market for its adventure content -- people who'll prepay for its development through subscription. But if it's planning on that, then I think it's using the wrong model. In an MMO your subscription pays for you to be part of a society and an economy. In adventure games, you pay one-off fees for DLC.

 

[LetalisK]

I think the audience can't lose this year with Bioware games. Either they'll kick ass and take names or they will go down in such a brilliant fireball that it will be remembered forever. I really don't see a middle ground where everything is "Meh".

 

[RuralGamer]

No reason I can see why not.
Only possible concern about ME3 is that its coming out at around the same time as Skyrim; those with money supplies as dry as mine who are TES fans may go for that first (if I had the money for only one, I would definitely go for Skyrim; far more play time and more fun overall, but I intend to save for both); still, I'll be surprised if it doesn't sell outsell the previous games.
As for TOR, I find it amusing people are being so scathing of it; graphically it looks a darn sight better than WoW's 'plastic' graphics in my opinion and the animations aren't that bad, considering I've seen few games that can do better. In the end, we'll just have to wait and see; I doubt I'll be getting it though, considering I have something of an allergy to subscriptions.
DA2 - didn't buy it, doubt I ever will; didn't like the first one and the second doesn't seem to have anything to offer.

Also, why are people so scared Bioware will fail because of how DA2 came out? You do realise they have different teams making the Mass Effect series, TOR and Dragon Age? One team starts sinking, they can tie it off and keep floating with ease.

 

[Kortney]

I think Mass Effect 3 will be the best game ever made. That's my prediction. Mass Effect 2 had so many plot holes it was completely stupid, but I think they have gone out the other side and those plot holes won't seem as obvious this time around.

The Old Republic? Don't know, don't care. MMO's suck.

 

[Vault101]

I think Mass Effect 3 will be the best game ever made. That's my prediction. Mass Effect 2 had so many plot holes it was completely stupid, but I think they have gone out the other side and those plot holes won't seem as obvious this time around.

The Old Republic? Don't know, don't care. MMO's suck.

plot holes?....I didnt see any plot holes (the plot wasnt exactly complex enough to allow plot holes, it was more doing each crew members quest, and no I dont think thats a bad thing) I made up a general rule in that if you notice it the first time and it annyos you...then yeah its a plot hole...but looking back...it doesnt really matter

Bioware aren't exactly doing well with sequels these days, so I'm not holding my breath.

ME2 did very well regardless of those who didnt like it...

what Im wondering is will Bioware go down the same route as blizard? as in put all their energy into the MMO (if its sucessful) I guess though they are different teams....but still