Poll: Woman cuts man's penis with boxcutter - gets no jail time

[stroopwafel]

Uh, no, its not. At least not in the United States, anyways. "Innocent until proven guilty" and all that.

Sure, but even in the best case scenario and you're eventually cleared of charges you'll have your name dragged through the dirt, probably did some time in pre-arrest and are unlikely to pick up your life the way it was.

Just take the example that was the reason for this post. Guy is falsely accused, has family jewels mangled which people applaud and gets publicly marked as a child molester when it turns out none of these accusations were true and that his disgruntled girlfriend just did it for the lulz. What does she get? A slap on the wrist.

If this were a guy he'd be serving a minimum sentence of 10 years for kidnapping and aggravated assault but when you're a woman apparently there are all kind of mitigating circumstances. Double standards much?

Like I said, it's way easy to destroy someone's life with false accusations and the justice system is organized in a way its fully exploitable for this purpose. Which sets a dangerous precedent if you ask me. They could begin by making the punishment for false accusations as high as the crime itself(regardless if you're male or female).

 

[Thaluikhain]

Uh, no, its not. At least not in the United States, anyways. "Innocent until proven guilty" and all that.

Sure, but even in the best case scenario and you're eventually cleared of charges you'll have your name dragged through the dirt, probably did some time in pre-arrest and are unlikely to pick up your life the way it was.

That's assuming that the accusation is taken seriously enough for charges to be laid. There is no reason to assume that will happen.

Also, look at the Steubenville rapists. Convicted, with no doubt of their guilt, and their community still supports them. They are hardly unusual in that.

 

[CpT_x_Killsteal]

B-but muh patriarchy.

Reading the comment section on HuffPost is like a game of "Spot the fuckwit who glanced over the drug use and the word "accused"".

 

[MHR]

A lot of information is missing. Did the guy actually do what she thought? That's a pretty important detail in determining whether her reaction was based on something or nothing at all.

Another thing to note is that the second article says the guy didn't want to pursue more jail time for his attacker as long as she admitted the crime. Could have something to do with how much jail time she got, eh?

Now, If this article were to be re-written with the man actually truly doing that accused crime, his dick getting cut off and going to jail, and her paying for it according to the law, then I'd say it's better than no justice. But we don't know all that.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

...here's what REALLY eats me: people are not only defending her actions, they are actually APPLAUDING her.

I wouldn't be surprised if these were some of the same people who called Lorena Bobbit a "hero".

Then again, in this country, when we see a man's genitals being seriously injured, we overlay a laugh track and broadcast it on national TV.

 

[nightmare_gorilla]

women around the world are fighting "genital mutilation" as a human rights crime when women get their naughty parts snipped but circumcision is one of the most common procedures. you want to see gender inequality on full display ask a woman what they think about circumcision. "ugh no they're so disgusting i wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy." is one of the tamer answers i've heard

Firstly, the forms of FGM people tend to be concerned about are much worse than male circumscion. Labiaplasty is fairly common, for example.

Secondly, what? Women in the US are freaked out by uncircumcised guys?

Yeah they are, speaking as an uncircumcised guy i've had plenty of experience with it talking to women about it and they are not shy in the least to tell you exactly how disgusting they think it is.

secondly the reasons given for circumcision are almost exactly the same as the reasons for FGM. they do it for religious reason, to be visually apealing for the rest of the world, and to desensitize the area in order to discourage the person from masturbating or engaging in sex before marriage. and yes circumcision does desensitize the penis. it is literally almost exactly the same thing. the only difference is it happens to women when they are old enough to feel it and on men it's done when your a baby and can't do shit about it. hell there are so called "feminists" who advocate for circumcision solely based on it's traumatic effect on male sexual pleasure. it also detracts from women's pleasure which works out pretty good for me as i've yet to receive any complaints about my "ugly" penis after the fact. but yeah I've been told all kinds of insane things about how wrong/ugly/wierd/old fashioned my penis is.

 

[Something Amyss]

Honestly I see far more people complaining about the sexism of the criminal justice system[footnote]Which there is. If you view women as weak and in need of protection, try to guess how their sentences are going to compare to the men, who are viewed as strong and able to handle whatever you throw at them.[/footnote] than applauding the woman. But as for the (few) people that I saw who do view it as "justice" against the boy, they really need to reevaluate their standards of justice.

Those two are also related. People think the justice system is broken and we have a tendency to support a good chunk of vigilantism in this country as a result of it. We then see political pressure situations where the folks we don't personally like walk, and so on and so on.

Woah there crazy lady. I just don't see how she got away scot-free.

Well, she didn't. You may not agree with the home confinement and probation, but they are not "scot free."

Everyone is equal before the law, huh.

Are you explicitly familiar with Indiana court histories?

Funny thing is.. if it was the child's father you better believe there'd be prison time served.

So much for equality huh.

Are you explicitly familiar with Indiana court histories?

Which is how my step father got 6 months of house arrest after hitting me with a gun, holding said gun to my head, and having to have the cops talk him out of shooting me when I was 11. All in a days work for Indiana.

Sorry to bring this up, NTB. It's just that you make at least somewhat a case for this being an issue of shitty courts, not a lack of equality in said courts.

 

[Something Amyss]

Sure, but even in the best case scenario and you're eventually cleared of charges you'll have your name dragged through the dirt, probably did some time in pre-arrest and are unlikely to pick up your life the way it was.

You know, I've worked with people who were convicted of rape. I shared a locker at one job with a sex offender. This whole hypothetical ruining of this guy's life strikes me as an undue assumption and utter horseshit.

This is not to condone what the woman did or justify it, before anyone tries to say otherwise. It's a strict comment to the level of harm actually done.

Wow, white male cis privelge really is a joke next to some of the things you can do with white female privelge

Can you actually prove this disparity?

 

[Something Amyss]

If I cut off someone's vagina, I'd expect a lot more than 2 years in jail

Keep in mind nothing was cut off, it would be hard to "cut off" a vagina in the first place, and what you expect is utterly meaningless. Not to mention, we have someone who lived in the same state talking about the commonality of probation. So again, I ask:

Can you actually prove this disparity?

 

[Something Amyss]

Well ok, If I did what this woman did to a vagina I'd expect more than 2 years. Happy?

You only addressed two of the three points and the third is still kind of important. I already covered that what you expect is meaningless. Can you prove this would actually happen in the state of Indiana? We've already had one poster recount an instance of her stepfather assaulting her and holding a gun to her head at the age of eleven, and only getting six months house arrest.

I suppose that brings up an interesting followup. If you held a gun to the head of your stepdaughter after clocking her with it and had to be talked down from shooting her by the police, what would you expect to get then? Does it line up with six months house arrest?

 

[Canadamus Prime]

There was a time when I would've said that cutting a man's junk off with a box cutter or similar implement was an appropriate punishment for a rapist or child molester. However now I'm not so inclined to think that. And even then guilt has to be confirmed first. This lady had nothing to go on but her marijuana fueled suspicions. She should not only have gotten jail time, but a court ordered psychiatric evaluation. Also why was she not convicted for using marijuana?

 

[Something Amyss]

There was a time when I would've said that cutting a man's junk off with a box cutter or similar implement was an appropriate punishment for a rapist or child molester. However now I'm not so inclined to think that. And even then guilt has to be confirmed first. This lady had nothing to go on but her marijuana fueled suspicions. She should not only have gotten jail time, but a court ordered psychiatric evaluation. Also why was she not convicted for using marijuana?

A psych eval likely would have come before the ruling. Do you have any indication she didn't get one?

 

[Canadamus Prime]

There was a time when I would've said that cutting a man's junk off with a box cutter or similar implement was an appropriate punishment for a rapist or child molester. However now I'm not so inclined to think that. And even then guilt has to be confirmed first. This lady had nothing to go on but her marijuana fueled suspicions. She should not only have gotten jail time, but a court ordered psychiatric evaluation. Also why was she not convicted for using marijuana?

A psych eval likely would have come before the ruling. Do you have any indication she didn't get one?

Ok, how about regular psychiatric sessions? Or better yet, have her committed to a psychiatric institution.

 

[stroopwafel]

Woah there crazy lady. I just don't see how she got away scot-free.

Well, she didn't. You may not agree with the home confinement and probation, but they are not "scot free."

Is this serious? So this woman causes severe bodily harm to someone and to make her see the error of her ways she needs to stay at home for a little while. You honestly think this is fair 'punishment' for such a crime?

I don't understand how you can defend such a thing. I really don't. It isn't even a gender issue. It's a different form of class justice plain and simple, one where men are always the criminal and women always the victim.

Though I also don't understand how this particular dude would settle for such a shitty deal from the prosecuter's office. I'd search for some of the best lawyers and file a claim so high she won't spend another day above the poverty line for the rest of her life. Not to mention do everything to have custody taken from her b/c such a person with uncontrollabe violent impulses while prone to substance abuse clearly puts the safety of a child in jeopardy.

 

[Something Amyss]

Ok, how about regular psychiatric sessions? Or better yet, have her committed to a psychiatric institution.

She's got anger evals as part of her sentence, does that count?

It may not be severe enough for you, but people are acting like her mental state was in no way considered, and I imagine it was.

Is this serious? So this woman causes severe bodily harm to someone and to make her see the error of her ways she needs to stay at home for a little while. You honestly think this is fair 'punishment' for such a crime?

Hey hey hey hey hey hey, slow down there.

Did I say anything about this being a fair punishment?

No?

Then don't phrase your browbeating of me in a way that indicates I did.

I pointed to exactly one thing: the measure of whether she got off scot free, which is to do so without penalty. She did not, so I pointed that out. That is factual, and makes no claim to the justice or or fairness of said ruling.

I don't understand how you can defend such a thing. I really don't.

I don't understand how you think I'm defending such a thing. I really don't. Because at no point did I defend such a thing. If you want some evil feminazi to whale on, I suggest you go look on Tumblr or huffPo. I hear they're common around those parts. But do not engage me based on something you couldn't be arsed to read and then take me to task over it.

Though I also don't understand how this particular dude would settle for such a shitty deal from the prosecuter's office.

But then, you're assuming he did. Perhaps he is searching for the best lawyers, or has initiated legal action. Perhaps he can't afford to do anything about it. Why assume things for which you have no evidence?

 

[stroopwafel]

But then, you're assuming he did. Perhaps he is searching for the best lawyers, or has initiated legal action. Perhaps he can't afford to do anything about it. Why assume things for which you have no evidence?

Well, accordingly the perpetrator got no jail time and she wasn't put on trial for fraud. Which definitely should have happened. This reeks of a shitty deal in the DA's office.