Poll: Would you find a male Bayonetta "uncomfortable"?

[wulf3n]

It wouldn't bother me if it's well done, and by that I mean taking full compromise with a male character who enjoys his own beauty as much as he wants the audience to.
And I'm sure as hell I'd buy that. Damn, now I want to draw a male Bayonetta...

 

[EyeReaper]

That depends, would Bayonetta 63 be voiced by Tim Curry?

Actually, can we get a dlc that replaces current Bayonetta with tim curry?

 

[Super Cyborg]

I'd be uncomfortable, sure. Because I TOTALLY don't read JoJo's Bizarre adventure

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I don't buy Bayonetta games because of the way she looks, I buy them because I like the gameplay

Also, this.

There's my answer. I actually loved the over the top poses from JoJo. I just have a thing for crazy things in general. Heck, my Avatar is my favorite One Piece character exactly for the crazy things he does, because they are so random and over the top. Add in my favorite scene from the most recent arc

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Franky shooting nipple lights while Senor Pink threw diaper bombs was one of the best things I've ever seen

I also love Toriko, which is basically huge men with giant muscles doing the craziest stuff. So I guess I would not be bothered by it, and most likely love it. Also, God Hand.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Bayonetta's already basically a female DMC3 Dante with even more sexual innuendo. So yeah a male Bayonetta would be rad as fuck.

 

[babinro]

Maybe?

Bayonetta is absurd to the point of being a little uncomfortable and I'm sure that the male version of this personal would invoke the same response. Gender isn't the issue here it's about how the cinematography displays that gender. Put Bayonetta in some perfectly reasonable work attire and have the camera's shift and focus on her body the same way and it's still a problem. Switch her with a non-sexy character like say Clementine from the Walking Dead or Marcus from Borderland and any way you shape it...it's still uncomfortable.

At least to me.

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

Would I find a man in drag uncomfortable? I mean, yeah. Doubt the majority of women would find him attractive either. Some people seem to have the wrong idea that the only way to sexualize men is to put them in the exact same clothing and poses you would a women when that really isn't the case. I mean seriously, are there any women that find stuff from the Hawkeye Initiative legitimately attractive?

In this situation, I don't really think it matters if it's something woman would actually find attractive. The poll is just about whether they'd feel uncomfortable if they saw a man treated in the same way as Bayonetta. Men are sexualized very differently than women, and generally in a less pandering way, so it's really hard to draw up an equivalence.

That being said, I'm pretty sure that it'd be considered more attractive than people would expect, sexualizing men in the same way you would a woman. A little while ago someone posted this video in a thread saying that it was hot, and several other girls I showed it to agreed. It's just a position that men rarely put themselves in, but you're seeing it more and more particularly in countries like South Korea.

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And if I might add, the 2nd and 3rd images by the OP are bullshit, the 2nd of course looks stupid because they take it to the logical extreme (not to mention that at the very least Captain america is a female eye candy in the films).

And the 3rd one, hmmmmmm..... a more dexterous young Batman, don't you mean DICK FUCKING GRAYSON? Not to mention the drawing was just terrible regardless, looks like a parody of 'emine'.

Edit: Oh and the "make me feel uncomfortable" is a pretty despicable term because it goes to the notion that straight people "fear the gay" and can't handle sexual feelings for males. Really mature.

A google image search of Raiden shows absolutely nothing like that on the first couple pages, I'm not sure if that's that good of a comparison. It might show up in the game, but it hardly seems to be as much of an object of focus as with Bayonetta.

Also, I honestly have a hard time believing that most men are comfortable watching men express their sexual feelings. Even 10 years ago western society was a hell of a lot less tolerant of gay people. Things have been moving fast and it's only pretty recently that gay rights have become such a hot topic.

There's also the fact that I've never seen an intimate physical moment between two men in any sort of mainstream movie. Only time I see it is when it's played off as a joke. Only place I see anything like that is in the gay film genre, and I don't know any men who've watched any movie from that genre. Just women (not to say that women are inherently more tolerant, they're just attracted to men)

I have to agree with you on the third comic though, although perhaps for different reasons. It comes across as talking down to the people it's trying to educate, and it doesn't give justification for its arguments, it just states them. It really only works for people who already believe it's true, which makes it kind of pointless. And this is coming from somebody who believes it is true (having seen someone claim that Marcus Fenix was designed how he was for the ladies)

OT: I get annoyed with blatant pandering regardless of whether it's to my gender or not. I just can't help but cringe at it regardless. So yeah, I probably would be a little uncomfortable with that.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Danm, there was this video of what a male Bayonetta could be like aka a gay porno film edited with Bayonetta move! Granted I probably would get a warning if I post the link on here even when there is no penis in it!

OT- Probably not seeing how I so wanted to played this game on the Wii Ware!!!
The game is called Muscle March!

 

[cleric of the order]

No offense to anyone but I like love this take on the matter

A lot of my personal heroes and hell "male power fantasy" drifts towards the more dexterous or intelligent and slim fellows. Perhaps as a nerd I have a direct aversion to what I see as brutish but then again I've always got along well with violent meat heads so I got nothing to explain it.
What I will say is I'm fine with sexulization the problem is the target audience,

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While I don't claim to speak for women or their preferences I can however gibber on about tone and placement. I honestly don't see why this conversation is really needed because people have their preferred genres, art syles and the like.
Some people preferred over the top, highly sexualized displays that play on to their need of sensation. Others prefer mellow character dramas and the list goes on and on into the night.
There is room enough for everyone's preferences, we do not need to deride people that enjoy sexual displays in their video games, (I have to wonder why, porn is free but oh well.) and those that do not.
What I see however is a odd preference to make mountains over mole hills, the overwatch responce on the exapist is a good damn example of this. All everyone could talk about was sex from what I saw.
3 threads all about gibbliets, about how women are protayed, not about gameplay, not about the finer points of their entire roster, not about redundancy just meat and hormones of a creation that does not have either.
This sort of thing is stupid, worse yet when I looked at the thing I saw no sexism or problem, hell I even said to myself thank god nobody could make this into sexism, 1/2 split of male female, well designed everything, looks good, and I can't wait.
This philistinism that has become the bleating of the day infuriates me, not very much but still more then I'd like.
Video games and the discussion there in should hopefully be about design or our interest into it and not a boogieman of sex or gender.
As for ideological breakdowns of a creative medium I'd love to see a Jungian or moralist breakdown as opposed to the prevailing radfem or "second wave sex negative feminists" as someone once categorizes it for me.
I want to look into the eyes of the designers and understand them, what they like and what they want. because as we all seem to forget, this work is mad by a human being. Bred with their wants, loves, hope, dreams, fears and all manner of the thousand dark coying things that cling to the bottom of the soul as if a lamprey to a shark.
All we do when we have these discussions is belittle those intellects, those persons that strove to disgorge their most intimate selves to the grand stage with no fear or regret. They are brave sorts artists, brave or vain is a man that could stand above all naked in the suit nature bred him with all wrinkles, boils and wounds proudly standing towards the world.
It saddens me to no end that this is the state of our medium.
We are the parasites gathered around great creators feeding off of their work and growing fat off their time and energy, not the driving force. We can choose who to support and how but never can we control what they create.
I'm sorry for that rambling babble but the truth as I see it is we spend so much time on about the portrayal of x rather then just choosing to allow someone their creations.
At no point are we forced to view anything, we can leave and enjoy work that would be meant for us, or better yet create it.
It is a CANCER to force your views upon anothers' work and demand to be compensated. Make your own art or stop looking at it.

 

[wulf3n]

If you mean the poll that's because you put an ' in some of the options. It cuts the rest of the text out for unknown reasons.

Haha Thank you, the joke is saved

Except now people will realise how not funny It was

also sorry to the 1 person to had already answered "Yes but I"

 

[nevarran]

But we do have a male Bayonetta, we have many of those. Every game with a half-nude muscular guy.
Men are are treated pretty much the same, when we talk about sex appeal.
And it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

What you're talking (and showing) is completely different.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

Er...

I don't really think putting female clothing on a male is the inversion here. Seems like a blatant false equivalence meant to distort the issue at hand.

*shrug*

I'm not all that big on Bayonetta really, I mean, I'm sort of with Yahtzee on the proportions throwing everything off, but I do get the whole leather/bondage/pole-dancing appeal to her.

As for a male Bayonetta?

...Have we forgotten about Dante?

The guy's a male model. If we're just going by physical appearance and attitude, then he does kind of fit the bill for a masculine version of her.

Unless you're asking for a Chip n' Dales dancer or something, in which case, he's only got the body...and air of smoldering sexual tension that transcends the boundaries between gende- ...I'm sorry, what? I blacked out for a moment.

And then there's 'new' Dante's opening scene:

And.

The malest of male power fantasies, to be sure. *nod nod nod nod nod nod nod nod* ... *head snaps off*

 

[Guffe]

You mean the one Nintendo already did and is one of the greatest villains in a game, ever!?!?!

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Seriously, he is one of my favorite villains, and some of the stuff he does in the game can be seen as "male Bayonetta" stuff.
So yeah, I guess he's actually an "it", but he resembles more of a he than a she, for me at least

 

[Lightknight]

I find Bayonetta uncomfortable because she doesn't look human.

Would said man also have the same proportions? Because I'd probably find him creepy too.

How anyone finds her sexy is astounding to me.

 

[The Lunatic]

All those examples are pretty terrible.

Males and females aren't sexualised in same way. And whilst other people have gone over it better in this thread, it's a faulty logic to begin with.

But, I guess if you're asking "Would a sexualised and feminised Male Bayonetta make you uncomfortable".

Well, no, I'm gay.

Would it make the average person uncomfortable? Probably. But the key there is the feminised thing, I think.

 

[cleric of the order]

Agreed. its particurly absurd when the authour went on to make this:

, essentially admitting she was being disingenuous and naturally deleted any comment mentioning the original comment (try and mention it and see it happen).

And yeah, a male doing the crotch shoving thing would make people uncomfortable, but a male who is merely attractive to woman and "cool" like Dante would be well received.

Also next time you see a game like Beyond Good and Evil, try actually buying it.

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Safe and sound in its shell, the precious pearl is the slave of the currents.

 

[TitanAtlas]

I grew upon japonese games...... Do you understand that? DOesn't make me feel uncomfortable, but it would get me a couple laughs.

Also by hypersexualizing a man you don't use bikinis.... you use thongs.... magestic, up the crack stringy thongs!!

 

[Rayce Archer]

I wouldn't be uncomfortable, but my pants might be.

...Because of how they would be full of my erection.