Poll: Would you harbor a nazi?
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I'd harbor him, One he seems like a good guy now and he seems to understand the extent of what he did, he's dwelled on it and must live with what he's done. And I don't exactly like the justice system. And aside from that, what happened back then doesn't affect me, or bother me, because I'm not a very good person.
I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?rutger5000 said:
This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.
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If they ever spoke anything regarding "Duty", I would do the honorable thing and show the authorities to him. But in this case? This man would deserve redemption. His actions as a Philanthropist speaks for itself, and his actions at my door would further justify his cry for help. I would take him in and do everything I could to help him, even smuggle him out of the country if I had to.
Why? Because a man who seeks redemption for the deaths that he holds himself responsible for deserves a second chance. Responsibility is the first step to seeking redemption. Yet so many people have forgotten what responsibility is about lately that it sickens me.
Why? Because a man who seeks redemption for the deaths that he holds himself responsible for deserves a second chance. Responsibility is the first step to seeking redemption. Yet so many people have forgotten what responsibility is about lately that it sickens me.
What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.Arsen said:
Police really don't handle war crimes. If we are talking Crimes against humanity from the 1940's then that guy is at least 70 years old which is assuming he was 5 at the end of the war. To have actually served would be closer to 85-90. Maybe ten more years for being an officer(depends if he went in as an officer or not). At that point I would think U.N. would state he is too old. So yeah I would harbor him.
No, if he really was sorry he'd turn himself in etc.
Even if he has changed, that doesn't change the fact that he was a Nazi Officer. They all deserve every damn consequence that was coming to them for the horrible things they did.
If this was a random Nazi member that was basically forced into things I could see it a different way, a lot of citizens back then had no choice. But this is an officer.
Even if he has changed, that doesn't change the fact that he was a Nazi Officer. They all deserve every damn consequence that was coming to them for the horrible things they did.
If this was a random Nazi member that was basically forced into things I could see it a different way, a lot of citizens back then had no choice. But this is an officer.
Why do people think he'd have turned himself in if he was sorry?
Being sorry does not mean losing your sense of self-preservation. That man would know that if he turned himself in he'd likely be screwed.
I would have no issues doing it if I was sure he wouldn't get caught. Don't really want to be an accomplice, but.. yeah, I'd probably do it anyway unless I was sure he'd get caught if I did.
Don't see the point in punishing him at this stage. Wouldn't really consider him the same person he was before.
EDIT: Tempted to say something nasty to all the people saying "justice is needed" or whatever.
I'm going to sleep on this and decide when I wake up.
EDIT2: Yeah, the way people are spouting "this man needs justice" is bullshit. He regrets what he's done, he's repented, he's tried to fix things as best he can, what more can he do?
Turning himself in is actually counter-productive IMO, because it means he cant do the charity work etc.
Being sorry does not mean losing your sense of self-preservation. That man would know that if he turned himself in he'd likely be screwed.
I would have no issues doing it if I was sure he wouldn't get caught. Don't really want to be an accomplice, but.. yeah, I'd probably do it anyway unless I was sure he'd get caught if I did.
Don't see the point in punishing him at this stage. Wouldn't really consider him the same person he was before.
EDIT: Tempted to say something nasty to all the people saying "justice is needed" or whatever.
I'm going to sleep on this and decide when I wake up.
EDIT2: Yeah, the way people are spouting "this man needs justice" is bullshit. He regrets what he's done, he's repented, he's tried to fix things as best he can, what more can he do?
Turning himself in is actually counter-productive IMO, because it means he cant do the charity work etc.
I'm catholic, so it's all a ploy to kill me. See Blues Brothers for more details.Drake_Dercon said:
"You were in Auschwitz? One of my favorite saints died there for harboring Hebrews" (cocks shotgun).
Edit: For the record, I wouldn't shoot him, but I would convince him to get the heck on out of my house.
I'd hide him. He had some power in the camp, but its not like he can pull a Schindler's list. At most he could probably try to give them extra rations or make sure the grunts don't go randomly beating/torturing/killing POWs. Even if he had to kill/torture some POWs its not like he could just ignore orders and hope they'd be cool with it. He'd probably be shot on the spot, or if he was a higher ranking official he would go through some 'rehabilitation'.
Now thats all assuming he did anything that breaks the 'Crimes against humanity' rules. Anyways I doubt the UN/a court of law would find him guilty, he'd probably be in his 70-90s by now. Honestly I doubt anyone now a days would like to see, "OLD MAN PLACED IN GUANTANAMO BAY/GULAG FOR LIFE BECAUSE HE WAS A OFFICER IN THE GERMAN ARMY 60 YEARS AGO." on their morning newspaper/news show/blogs/tweets.
Now thats all assuming he did anything that breaks the 'Crimes against humanity' rules. Anyways I doubt the UN/a court of law would find him guilty, he'd probably be in his 70-90s by now. Honestly I doubt anyone now a days would like to see, "OLD MAN PLACED IN GUANTANAMO BAY/GULAG FOR LIFE BECAUSE HE WAS A OFFICER IN THE GERMAN ARMY 60 YEARS AGO." on their morning newspaper/news show/blogs/tweets.
for gods sake people the man has changed he regrets everything he did he isnt a nazi anymore he is just an old guy looking for forgivness from a world who is never going to forgive him!
and for all you hippocrits out there saying you can never forgive him for what he did to the jews
im jewish myself my grandma r.i.p was a holocost survivor!
and for all you hippocrits out there saying you can never forgive him for what he did to the jews
im jewish myself my grandma r.i.p was a holocost survivor!
I might consider saving him. Or not. Depends entirely.
Now, if you have seen the short movie "The Wave" you'll know exactly what I am speaking of.
Nazi germany only had 10% of the population as true-believing nazis, whilst the 90% where not. The army, supporters and extermination facility personnel did NOT consists of those 10%.
In truth, most of the people were too weak or afraid to stand up against. And, most of them, did not even know what truly went on.
If you would stand up against them, you'd stand against a highly organized and tight military order. Something the entire fucking WORLD had problem with. If you happen to have common sense, you will not do such a thing.
I can imagine some personnel in the extermination camps having no choice, but face execution or execute.
It's rather horrible, but you could not really help it.
This man obviously had no choice, and have lived thus far following horrible orders. But on the other hand, he could just be attempting to fool my gullible heart. (It's actually not that gullible)
So, it really depends. I'd ask him a trick question, and if he answered correctly, he'd be allowed to stay.
If answer incorrectly, out to the cops with him!
Now, if you have seen the short movie "The Wave" you'll know exactly what I am speaking of.
Nazi germany only had 10% of the population as true-believing nazis, whilst the 90% where not. The army, supporters and extermination facility personnel did NOT consists of those 10%.
In truth, most of the people were too weak or afraid to stand up against. And, most of them, did not even know what truly went on.
If you would stand up against them, you'd stand against a highly organized and tight military order. Something the entire fucking WORLD had problem with. If you happen to have common sense, you will not do such a thing.
I can imagine some personnel in the extermination camps having no choice, but face execution or execute.
It's rather horrible, but you could not really help it.
This man obviously had no choice, and have lived thus far following horrible orders. But on the other hand, he could just be attempting to fool my gullible heart. (It's actually not that gullible)
So, it really depends. I'd ask him a trick question, and if he answered correctly, he'd be allowed to stay.
If answer incorrectly, out to the cops with him!