Poll: WoW going too far?

[John Funk]

You know, even though you guys may have good points, some points are quite off.

WoW and its three expantions can easily be compared to Prison Break. The first was marvelous, new and epic. The second sucked whilst the third one returned the series to all its glory. But, the fourth was weird, stupid, too long and it complicated matters far too much. Not only did Prison Break's 4th season suck more than an Uwe Boll movie, it was the downfall of a great series.
Now, pretend Prison Break is WoW and that all of these seasons were crammed in to a single game, with every event happening at the same time, with live events happening as well.
I mean, new players can access the SW harbor when it wasn't even built. New players can go to Shatrath when it wasn't even accessible back then. NPC's are gone, new ones are there that shouldn't be there, there are live events going on for WOTLK like the invasion or entire areas are changed to fit the story for WOTLK when new players still have to do regular quests there.

Same goes for Cataclysm, it will completely destroy continuity by wrecking havoc on all of Azeroth. As I said, older players will find it okay. New players however will say: fuck this.

What? Are you kidding me?

Cataclysm is the best thing to happen for new players since the game came out. Revamped questlines that don't suck = A+++

 

[Grounogeos]

*cough*3.3 is T10*cough*

I think he meant the fact that the T9 Emblems are dropped by nearly every boss and are given for doing random dungeons or the weekly raid quest.

 

[Premonition]

When Lich King came out, people were level 80 within 24 hours, I think they need a new expansion and I think they need to raise the level cap by more than 10.

Lawl, even if they add 40 levels, the hardcore WoW'ers will have capped in no time.

mmm... so you are saying that the old lore would be available to players in WOW1, and new lore in WOW2... it might actually work, for those that are already lvl 80 and played all of WOW1...

make wow 1 the past and wow 2 the future might work, it seems interesting

Plus, they'd be able to make significant changes that they couldn't do in WoW like change the appearance of the wo ... oh wait

WOW2? What, and have everyone re-start their characters? That's as good a way as any to throw away your market domination.

Yeah, because nobody has multiple characters. Not like I had Five characters on Shattered Hand and four on Shattered Halls and three on another one.

What? Are you kidding me?

Cataclysm is the best thing to happen for new players since the game came out. Revamped questlines that don't suck = A+++

Tweeking questlines, fine, but they have to either totally replace or kill off 90% of the quests because they destroyed the game world. Cataclysm might be a good thing for old players, but for new players it's like jumping in to Prison Break in Season 4.

 

[jjcobra]

They wont make a new game because they know the second they do they'll end up like Everquest 2 (which means no one will play it). The people will jump ship to something cooler (which isn't tough to do, but people are comfortable with bland fantasy games). For example they could all jump to APB, which will rock your socks off. Then cut a hole in your pants and molest you like a hot porn star would in your dreams.

 

[jasoncyrus]

Do you think that Blizz is going to far with World of Warcraft by adding yet another expansion? Instead of making it a new game entirely. By now, the story of the world is so convoluted, it's practically impossible to follow. With every new expansion comes a whole new set of story archs and changes to previous expansion quests up to the point where Outlands is an actual and current threat to the world whilst at the same time, people are pissing there pants for another current threat that's actually taking place years in the future (Lich King) And now they're expecting new players to follow? I mean, those of us that have been there for years can probably follow easily. But new players are totally screwed.

Should Cataclysm just go beyond being an expansion and become World of Warcraft 2? Or are you satisfied with it cluttering up the game even further?

TBH new players arnt expected to follow everything at once. Thinking that is just plain stupid. You learn the story arcs as you progress along with quests. The only way you'd not follow them is if you bought your level 80, which judging from your inability to be able to understand the timeline in the game, is pretty believable.

 

[BENZOOKA]

It is not going too far. I don't play it so I personally do not care what they do to it. But the players always want new stuff. Even if they don't really want it, they must get it because it's available. Adding something to a MMO is much more profitable than making a new one.

 

[Eldarion]

What? Are you kidding me?

Cataclysm is the best thing to happen for new players since the game came out. Revamped questlines that don't suck = A+++

Tweeking questlines, fine, but they have to either totally replace or kill off 90% of the quests because they destroyed the game world. Cataclysm might be a good thing for old players, but for new players it's like jumping in to Prison Break in Season 4.

No it won't.

The newer players will just experience a different story than older player did.

You realize that most zones will use phasing now right? So the world will look different to you if you get the quests in that area done. So you might not even see cataclysm happen for some time after you start and in the meantime, improved questing. So there will be no story confusion at all.

 

[jasoncyrus]

When Lich King came out, people were level 80 within 24 hours, I think they need a new expansion and I think they need to raise the level cap by more than 10.

Actually the first official lvl 80 was reached in 27 hours.

 

[Premonition]

Do you think that Blizz is going to far with World of Warcraft by adding yet another expansion? Instead of making it a new game entirely. By now, the story of the world is so convoluted, it's practically impossible to follow. With every new expansion comes a whole new set of story archs and changes to previous expansion quests up to the point where Outlands is an actual and current threat to the world whilst at the same time, people are pissing there pants for another current threat that's actually taking place years in the future (Lich King) And now they're expecting new players to follow? I mean, those of us that have been there for years can probably follow easily. But new players are totally screwed.

Should Cataclysm just go beyond being an expansion and become World of Warcraft 2? Or are you satisfied with it cluttering up the game even further?

TBH new players arnt expected to follow everything at once. Thinking that is just plain stupid. You learn the story arcs as you progress along with quests. The only way you'd not follow them is if you bought your level 80, which judging from your inability to be able to understand the timeline in the game, is pretty believable.

Once again using Prison Break as an example, say they are all meshed in to one game. The seasons. And that when that guard dies in Season 4, his character is also wiped from the jails. Or, let's say that doesn't happen but that NPC's everywhere are moarning his death but he's still there in the jails, even though the guards as well are saying they will miss him. But that he's still there because he's a part of the starting quests. That's what's been happening in WoW a lot. And I was quite able to follow the story thank you, when I started. So far I must have gone through six different WoW's ...

 

[TwistedLogic]

They are just adding on and expanding an already massive world and keeping the players intrested, i think all MMORPG makers should try to acheve what WOW has done

What? so all mmo games would be horribly made, lack any kind of content remotely different from any other game and are pretty much hated by 80% of their players?....Yeah...sounds great ^^;

Instead of trying to 'fix' WoW (exercise in futility) mmo developers should try to break out of the typical 'mmo-mold' and create something more original. WoW doesn't really have any unique features to speak of....hence Aion stealing it's players xD

 

[Premonition]

No it won't.

The newer players will just experience a different story than older player did.

You realize that most zones will use phasing now right? So the world will look different to you if you get the quests in that area done.

First I've heard of it. No other I've ever read or video I've seen about that expansion mentions phasing. Though it would make things better as far as the story goes, it would still be a major pain in the ass. Every time I started a new DK, the zone chat was filled with people pissed that they couldn't party up. Makes it really difficult for friends to play together if they aren't devoting their entire lives to this game and never get off.

 

[jasoncyrus]

Do you think that Blizz is going to far with World of Warcraft by adding yet another expansion? Instead of making it a new game entirely. By now, the story of the world is so convoluted, it's practically impossible to follow. With every new expansion comes a whole new set of story archs and changes to previous expansion quests up to the point where Outlands is an actual and current threat to the world whilst at the same time, people are pissing there pants for another current threat that's actually taking place years in the future (Lich King) And now they're expecting new players to follow? I mean, those of us that have been there for years can probably follow easily. But new players are totally screwed.

Should Cataclysm just go beyond being an expansion and become World of Warcraft 2? Or are you satisfied with it cluttering up the game even further?

TBH new players arnt expected to follow everything at once. Thinking that is just plain stupid. You learn the story arcs as you progress along with quests. The only way you'd not follow them is if you bought your level 80, which judging from your inability to be able to understand the timeline in the game, is pretty believable.

Once again using Prison Break as an example, say they are all meshed in to one game. The seasons. And that when that guard dies in Season 4, his character is also wiped from the jails. Or, let's say that doesn't happen but that NPC's everywhere are moarning his death but he's still there in the jails, even though the guards as well are saying they will miss him. But that he's still there because he's a part of the starting quests. That's what's been happening in WoW a lot. And I was quite able to follow the story thank you, when I started. So far I must have gone through six different WoW's ...

Well in all honesty it'd take up a lot more coding and server processing time to acomplish this. However they did begin to introduce things like this in WotLKwith the wrath gate and especially the Argent Crusade quest lines.

 

[Eldarion]

No it won't.

The newer players will just experience a different story than older player did.

You realize that most zones will use phasing now right? So the world will look different to you if you get the quests in that area done.

First I've heard of it. No other I've ever read or video I've seen about that expansion mentions phasing. Though it would make things better as far as the story goes, it would still be a major pain in the ass. Every time I started a new DK, the zone chat was filled with people pissed that they couldn't party up. Makes it really difficult for friends to play together if they aren't devoting their entire lives to this game and never get off.

I don't know how they are planing on addressing that issue.

A guild member wanted help with a quest for taking shadow vault but I couldn't help her cause I had progressed to the point where the ebon blade had already taken it. Its a quest hub for me and filled with scourge for her.

Maby a grouping option for going back to old parts of the world and doing the phased out quests? I don't know, what I do know is the phasing will keep the story intact.

 

[Premonition]

Well in all honesty it'd take up a lot more coding and server processing time to acomplish this. However they did begin to introduce things like this in WotLKwith the wrath gate and especially the Argent Crusade quest lines.

Oh yeah, those solo quests. (when I got to those parts, I had to solo these quests every time because either I was the only one there or there was nobody doing those quests or nobody wanted to help me ;_; Found that laughable though at the time. I was forced to solo mission in an MMO. Which will probably happen in Cataclysm as well.)

 

[UnravThreads]

*cough*3.3 is T10*cough*

I think he meant the fact that the T9 Emblems are dropped by nearly every boss and are given for doing random dungeons or the weekly raid quest.

Touché, I forgot that was the case.

 

[Premonition]

No it won't.

The newer players will just experience a different story than older player did.

You realize that most zones will use phasing now right? So the world will look different to you if you get the quests in that area done.

First I've heard of it. No other I've ever read or video I've seen about that expansion mentions phasing. Though it would make things better as far as the story goes, it would still be a major pain in the ass. Every time I started a new DK, the zone chat was filled with people pissed that they couldn't party up. Makes it really difficult for friends to play together if they aren't devoting their entire lives to this game and never get off.

I don't know how they are planing on addressing that issue.

A guild member wanted help with a quest for taking shadow vault but I couldn't help her cause I had progressed to the point where the ebon blade had already taken it. Its a quest hub for me and filled with scourge for her.

Maby a grouping option for going back to old parts of the world and doing the phased out quests? I don't know, what I do know is the phasing will keep the story intact.

I just wonder if they can pull off phasing from Old Azeroth to Apocalyptic Azeroth easily. I mean, destroying one small area or adding a camp is nothing compared to completely changing an entire continent.

And what we need is a DeLorean to go back in time to when we could do those quests

 

[Eldarion]

Well in all honesty it'd take up a lot more coding and server processing time to acomplish this. However they did begin to introduce things like this in WotLKwith the wrath gate and especially the Argent Crusade quest lines.

Oh yeah, those solo quests. (when I got to those parts, I had to solo these quests every time because either I was the only one there or there was nobody doing those quests or nobody wanted to help me ;_; Found that laughable though at the time. I was forced to solo mission in an MMO. Which will probably happen in Cataclysm as well.)

To be fair, those quests weren't hard.

I just wonder if they can pull off phasing from Old Azeroth to Apocalyptic Azeroth easily. I mean, destroying one small area or adding a camp is nothing compared to completely changing an entire continent.

And what we need is a DeLorean to go back in time to when we could do those quests

I think blizzard can do it.

And yhea, need some way to help friends in phased out zones.

 

[Somthing]

More content is bad? Are you insane?

WOTLK made me stop playing... so more content isn't always good. and the one thing i've been giving wow is the story... but now when every letter in the whole series of novel which warcraft comes from been put into WoW, it's just bad. I mean Nefarian resurrected... heroic deadmines...

Wait what!? Nefarian doesnt get ressurected? where the fuck did u hear that :O And well Heroic deadmines is due to the fact that its a popular dungeon which players wont mind playing at high level if there is a challenge and some lewt;D

 

[Somthing]

No it won't.

The newer players will just experience a different story than older player did.

You realize that most zones will use phasing now right? So the world will look different to you if you get the quests in that area done.

First I've heard of it. No other I've ever read or video I've seen about that expansion mentions phasing. Though it would make things better as far as the story goes, it would still be a major pain in the ass. Every time I started a new DK, the zone chat was filled with people pissed that they couldn't party up. Makes it really difficult for friends to play together if they aren't devoting their entire lives to this game and never get off.

I don't know how they are planing on addressing that issue.

A guild member wanted help with a quest for taking shadow vault but I couldn't help her cause I had progressed to the point where the ebon blade had already taken it. Its a quest hub for me and filled with scourge for her.

Maby a grouping option for going back to old parts of the world and doing the phased out quests? I don't know, what I do know is the phasing will keep the story intact.

I just wonder if they can pull off phasing from Old Azeroth to Apocalyptic Azeroth easily. I mean, destroying one small area or adding a camp is nothing compared to completely changing an entire continent.

And what we need is a DeLorean to go back in time to when we could do those quests

Look they are going to change the game. they said nothing about making phasing everywhere they said that they will make complete changes to the continent. If you are new to the game you will be introduced to it in another way and if you played for a while you will still follow the story perfectly. Now the thing about most of wows players are if they find the story interesting they will read up on it and shit and if they dont they will mindlessly click trought the texts and run questing.

The changes wont fuck up wow they will most probally improve it :O (and worgen.... WORGEN!!!!! YEAAAAAAH)