Poll: YOUR political affiliation!

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Stalias

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I'm conservative. I believe you can do what ever you want to do in your home as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. Wanna do drugs, I don't care. But, if you OD and got to the hospital without health insurance, it is not the publics duty to pay for it. I also believe local-governments should have more power than the national government. I think it is ridiculous that the national government forces states to do non beneficial things (i.e. 21 year old drinking laws). I don't care if people are gay or have abortions, as long as they don't push it on the rest of people. Gay sex does not need to be taught in schools. I believe everyone is equal and should be treated equal. That goes for minorities and majorities, no affirmative action, no basing anything on race. I believe Capitalism is the best economic system. If people can work as hard as they want, and get payed that much, everyone will be happy. I believe a strong national defense is key to survival. I also believe in spreading democracy.
 

Vern

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Personally I would choose centrist. I'm liberal when it comes to social issues, and conservative when it comes to fiscal issues. Oddly enough there are quite a few issues that I'm liberal about that are tied closely to 'conservatives'. I believe that people should have control over their own destinies as long as they aren't directly hurting another person. I think gay marriage is fine, drug use is fine as long as you aren't hurting another person because of it or driving while under the influence, I think abortion should be a woman's choice. However I also think that capitalism, while not perfect, is the best financial system we have. Businesses should be allowed to operate freely outside of government control aside from breaking laws, selling or lending to criminals, financing terrorists, killing babies, what have you. They shouldn't require government regulation, hell the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are a huge cause of our current clusterfuck. I also think that people should be able to own firearms without extreme restrictions. Basically if you haven't proved yourself to be unable to competently own a firearm, then you should be allowed to own one. So in the end, my best description of my view is open markets and open minds. Allow people to live their own lives with the maximum amount of freedom, punish them when their choices hurt other people, and allow the global market to work based on the decisions of the people running the businesses. Minimal government intervention into these aspects, because it just ends up bloating the system and costing assloads of tax payer money. I would say I'm more of a Republican than a Democrat, but I really dislike either side. The Republicans are stuck on the moral majority issue and can't support things that go against it like gay marriage and abortion, and the Democrats think the solution to everything is to spend money to make everyone equal through laws, help those who don't help themselves, and restrict firearm ownership. And neither side will stop throwing money into a fetid sewer to accomplish their ends, which is what really disillusioned me with the Republicans. Fiscal conservatism is awesome! Let's put our country almost a trillion dollars in debt. There's a balance, neither side seems to see it though. I just pray that a third party candidate will at some point manage to show people that there's more than just two parties in America.
 

sov68n

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I don't know if it's been pointed out yet, but the poll option "left anarchist" is a paradox, seeing as how the further left you go the larger the government you advocate, and anarchy is the complete lack of government. So uh...

To contribute I am a moderate who is liberal on most economic issues
 

Downfall89

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Central, I guess. I agree with some things Conservatives say, and some things Liberals say. But I don't agree with anything Communists say; it does not seem practical. Unless human nature was nonexistent, of course.
 

Agema

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sov68n said:
I don't know if it's been pointed out yet, but the poll option "left anarchist" is a paradox, seeing as how the further left you go the larger the government you advocate, and anarchy is the complete lack of government. So uh...

To contribute I am a moderate who is liberal on most economic issues
No, it isn't a paradox.

In a simplified way, the left-wing means socialism, and believe that industry should increasingly be in the hands of the people as a whole, not a minority of rich owners. This can be implemented in two main ways: firstly via the state by governmental ownership, and secondly direct ownership by the workers (e.g. if a factory has 100 workers, each one of those workers owns 1% of the factory). Anarchism is anti-state, so would implement the latter, whereas most conventional socialism has used governmental ownership.

The distinction of left-wing anarchists is, I guess, to separate them from anarcho-capitalists.
 

sov68n

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Agema said:
No, it isn't a paradox.

In a simplified way, the left-wing means socialism, and believe that industry should increasingly be in the hands of the people as a whole, not a minority of rich owners. This can be implemented in two main ways: firstly via the state by governmental ownership, and secondly direct ownership by the workers (e.g. if a factory has 100 workers, each one of those workers owns 1% of the factory). Anarchism is anti-state, so would implement the latter, whereas most conventional socialism has used governmental ownership.

The distinction of left-wing anarchists is, I guess, to separate them from anarcho-capitalists.
First off what you described was Communism, not Socialism; there IS a difference, and it's a rather large one so I implore you to go figure out what it is before you go throwing those words around.

I also don't think you understand the concept of being "to the left." Being to the left means you are in support of large government. I'll repeat that and make it bold: Being to the left means you are in support of large government.

Now your "example" of workers owning the factory is not an example of Socialism nor Communism. In fact, it's not an example of anything because it's impossible to have a corporation in which there is no owning or governing body that controls it. This makes it anarchy because there is no government, but it does not make it in any way shape or form a left-wing practice because there isn't a government.
 

Skeleon

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sov68n said:
Being to the left means you are in support of large government.
I had this argument just a short while ago, that is simply not true.
You, too, are mixing up right versus left and authoritarian versus liberal.
 

Akai Shizuku

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sov68n said:
Being to the left means you are in support of large government.
This is only true if you are in favor of Stalinism. The further left you go, the smaller/less influential on your life the government is supposed to be. In fact, communism, which is considered far left, is actually a form of anarchy. But then again, this could be in favor of your point, because that means everyone is government.
 

Asymptote Angel

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My opinions quaver somewhere between libertarian and liberal, but I honestly don't care about politics. I have very little confidence in my own efficacy in government and think every side of an argument has a valid point, so I won't debate with anyone.

Besides, I'm depressed enough without having to follow the partisan cesspool of hatred that is the American political landscape. Maybe I could bear it if Glenn Beck would agree to be paddled on national TV or something.
 

Bretty

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I dont know why Conservative and Republican are put together. In my mind they are totaly different.

I consider myself a Conservative but not a Republican. Of course I guess I am rather more not liking to be affiliated with any part of the American Govt.

I dont think we all need guns, that rich people should get more tax breaks or that companies should be allowed to run without much over sight.
 

velcthulhu

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sov68n said:
Being to the left means you are in support of large government. I'll repeat that and make it bold: Being to the left means you are in support of large government.
The term "left" actually originated during the french revolution, based in which side of the room the person sat on; the original "left" actually strongly favored small government. The proper definition is that the liberal wants to change things and the conservative wants things to stay more or less the same; what policies those correspond to varies by time period and country.
 

Berethond

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Glefistus said:
I'm a technocrat. Remember, the greatest argument against democracy is a 30 second conversation with the average voter. Basically, the technocratic modern world I envision as possibly workable, is a system much like our own, except the only members of parliament are the cabinet ministers(10 for each position, to ensure no one abuses power) and a Prime minister. The Prime minister is voted for by the populace, the cabinet ministers must be experts in their fields, and elected by member of that very same field, NOT the populace. Trivial matters and things that one Cabinet "board"(which is to say, one cabinet position) cannot decide on are sent to referendum via the internet(I know that this will be a tough thing to make work with proxies and what not. I guess people will have to register with their SIN).

EDIT: the economic system would not matter.
So a Meritocracy?
Sounds like a pretty good idea, actually.

I'm a Libertarian, myself. Leaning extremely far towards the Capitalist side.