Poll: YOUR political affiliation!

[Mcface]

Other.
I'm a free thinker. I make up my own mind, and refuse to label myself as something, while bashing every single political party for all of its obvious flaws and ignorance.

If anything, my views are very similar to early America.

Smallest. Government. Possible.

Freedom elected by the people, fully controlled by the people. A single man cannot be trusted to run everything, or be informed on everything. This is why we elect officials, however in modern times, its ass backwards. We elect them though it doesn't really matter anymore and then they feel they rule over us and we owe it to them to follow their orders and pledge our allegiance.

I pledge my allegiance to no country or man, because its simply NOT the American way, regardless of what you have been brainwashed to think. Real Americans question their government, and the policies. We dont wear T-shirts with our presidents face on it or retarded bumper stickers on our cars.

I guess I'm a bit of a patriot. But an old school patriot. And I mean -very- old school.

 

[Scarecrow38]

I'm an ideological liberal (i.e. pro gay marriage, pro choice, pro gun control and so on), and my political affiliation is dictated by how the parties align themselves with my moral views.

 

[inflamessoilwork]

Socialist, and I feel it should be a seperate choice from communism

 

[Ben7]

I would just say right wing with a lot of liberal values.

 

[Reklore]

Socialist and communist on the SAME bloody buttion!. Why don't you just say fascist and republican are the same -_-

Edit: Gramma

 

[Akai Shizuku]

Socialist and communist on the SAME bloody buttion!. Why don't you just say fascist and republican are the same -_-

Edit: Gramma

While they are not the same, they are very similar, and socialism is used in Marxist theory as a bridge from capitalism to communism.

 

[sneakypenguin]

What do you pick if you're an extremely liberal republican?

That would be Republican... lol

Not much difference between the two parties other than some token attempt by repubs to swing back to conservative values at least in word.

 

[SimuLord]

I'm slightly to the right of Adam Smith economically, and I'm a social conservative (but not a frothing religious theocrat---someone needs to wrest the Republican Party back from the idiot zealots who thought Sarah Palin was a good idea.) By Escapist standards I'm probably somewhere to the right of Hermann Göring.

 

[Reklore]

Socialist and communist on the SAME bloody buttion!. Why don't you just say fascist and republican are the same -_-

Edit: Gramma

While they are not the same, they are very similar, and socialism is used in Marxist theory as a bridge from capitalism to communism.

But Socialism is not a birdge to communism, it can be used as a birdge to commubnism but its own political theory.

And for them being similar, I world say socialism is closer to capitalism than communism i.e I have things and money. I am also seen as better than a drug dealer.(I live in a Socialist country)

And fuck your Marxist man you speak of.

 

[Nieroshai]

As most people know, I am a conservative Republican, and I feel we are a small fish in a big pond on this site. However, may I take a second to remind everyone of the Conservative Council user group, which is the only of its kind here on The Escapist.

However, I can tell the OP that The Escapist is generally more liberal-leaning, and would ask why it is important to know other people's political affiliations? What can be gained?

Just curiosity. I like to know about the communities I converse with. Initially I actually thought there were quite a few conservatives here, and I learned something.

Incidentally I think it's because most of us are so used to being flamed the moment we voice our opinions on politics. I say my bit anyway, and when I get the inevitable trolling I usually start up a debate thread. Which quickly becomes a "flame Niero for questioning our obvious truth" thread where I'm the only Conservative in the room. And in these situations it's always the side with the most people commenting "pWND!" that wins. When will I ever learn that most people who roam the average forum prefer the almighty soundbite to actual debate?

 

[Akai Shizuku]

Socialist and communist on the SAME bloody buttion!. Why don't you just say fascist and republican are the same -_-

Edit: Gramma

While they are not the same, they are very similar, and socialism is used in Marxist theory as a bridge from capitalism to communism.

But Socialism is not a birdge to communism, it can be used as a birdge to commubnism but its own political theory.

And for them being similar, I world say socialism is closer to capitalism than communism i.e I have things and money. I am also seen as better than a drug dealer.(I live in a Socialist country)

And fuck your Marxist man you speak of.

If you'd like to explain what a "birdge" and "commubnism" is, we could certainly get something going here.

Of course socialism is closer to capitalism than communism. That's a given.

"Marxist man you speak of"...? No further comment.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

As most people know, I am a conservative Republican, and I feel we are a small fish in a big pond on this site. However, may I take a second to remind everyone of the Conservative Council user group, which is the only of its kind here on The Escapist.

However, I can tell the OP that The Escapist is generally more liberal-leaning, and would ask why it is important to know other people's political affiliations? What can be gained?

Just curiosity. I like to know about the communities I converse with. Initially I actually thought there were quite a few conservatives here, and I learned something.

Incidentally I think it's because most of us are so used to being flamed the moment we voice our opinions on politics. I say my bit anyway, and when I get the inevitable trolling I usually start up a debate thread. Which quickly becomes a "flame Niero for questioning our obvious truth" thread where I'm the only Conservative in the room. And in these situations it's always the side with the most people commenting "pWND!" that wins. When will I ever learn that most people who roam the average forum prefer the almighty soundbite to actual debate?

I can assure you that this isn't that kind of thread, as you can see from reading the posts. I made this thread solely out of curiosity. I specifically stated in the original post that I want no flames happening here, and I don't want this to be a debate.

 

[Reklore]

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Socialist and communist on the SAME bloody buttion!. Why don't you just say fascist and republican are the same -_-

Edit: Gramma

While they are not the same, they are very similar, and socialism is used in Marxist theory as a bridge from capitalism to communism.

But Socialism is not a birdge to communism, it can be used as a birdge to commubnism but its own political theory.

And for them being similar, I world say socialism is closer to capitalism than communism i.e I have things and money. I am also seen as better than a drug dealer.(I live in a Socialist country)

And fuck your Marxist man you speak of.

If you'd like to explain what a "birdge" and "commubnism" is, we could certainly get something going here.




Of course socialism is closer to capitalism than communism. That's a given.

"Marxist man you speak of"...? No further comment.

My bad, but I know you know what i meant to say.

Socialism is VERY different from commubnism.. I mean communism.

"Of course socialism is closer to capitalism than communism. That's a given"

to quite you.

The point is, Socialism and communism are too different to be on the same button and to do so is only adding to the confusion between them, making it harder for the (me) Socialist to not be call communist.

I am a socialist, but I would die before I see my country become communist.

 

[BulletMoaf]

i like nature, i like sharing, i dont like asphalt, or business, i like not having to worry, i like the opportunity to affect whats happening, i can see it as benificial when a few peoples will is run over for the greater good, i see it as a sad joke on todays society when a few peoples will is run over for the mere tradition of it. yeah, i dont know of any political strain for me, i usually vote green, but i guess im sort of a hippie without the groovy parts, some sort of liberal-green-commie combo, i guess.

____edited for spelling

 

[LockHeart]

I'm a Libertarian - I believe in the smallest possible government, with decision making powers devolved as close to the people as possible, i.e. down to county levels, and the government staying the hell out of my private life. The Rule of Law should be applied without favour to one person or another and all men should be held equal beneath it. Taxes should be kept low and the government should not overly interfere with the economy. Unlike some more extreme libertarians I can see the need for limited government intervention and taxation in some cases, but I believe that these should be the exception rather than the rule.

 

[Agema]

I'm a social liberal / social democrat.

I'm definitely pro-capitalist as the basic way of running the economy, but I think social justice requires a level of socialism overlaid to protect people from falling through the cracks of the capitalist system.

A way to illustrate is this. Initially, 1000 widgets are made every day by 1000 widget craftsmen. Eventually with progress, 1000 widgets are made a day by 100 widget workers on an assembly line. Go forward a bit more, and 1000 widgets a day are made by widget making machines run by 10 machine operators. That's all good, that's progress - widgets will be cheaper, more accessible, and you've freed up a lot of people to do other work. It has a cost, however, that at each "step", 90% of the widget workforce loses their jobs. Society benefits from the increased efficiency of widget manufacture. It can only be fair that society as whole provide support for the victims of progress, both to support them through unemployment, and where necessary to retrain them to get gainful employment elsewhere.

In unrestrained capitalism, I see people left on the scrapheap of life. Humans need development to make the best of themselves - they need to be invested in. The poor lack the resources to invest in themselves, and thus without outside assistance they are likely to be condemned to poverty, which is bequeathed to their children, their grandchildren, and on. This is not only manifestly unfair, but also a colossal waste of potential talent.

It has a further knock-on effect. When people become trapped in unemployment and low-wage, insecure jobs, it's extremely demoralising for individuals and the local society - people lose hope and confidence in themselves. The likely results are anti-social behaviour, crime, drug use, and so on. These people are often condemned as wasters and welfare leeches (and to be fair, a minority are), but they don't need "tough justice" and be forced to sink or swim. They need assistance to give them the opportunities, stability and hope to make their way.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

The only affiliation that comes close enough to be on par with my views are egoist anarchism.

Basically it is the idea that morals, ethics, rights and other such nonsenes are just arbitrary ideals or "spooks of the mind" and that the idea of property is only viable if you yourself have the might to claim anything as property.

Quite simply, I am ideologically and philosophically at war with everybody else. : )

 

[kawligia]

Fail for not having a Libertarian option.

 

[ben---neb]

DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT want this to become a flame war or a my-position-is-better-than-yours debate. Let's be mature about this for once. If I see a flame war, I will ask the mods to close this thread.

Tell us a little bit about your political position from your point of view, as long as you're not bashing others and are respectful. I think it would also be good to ask each other questions about the presented political positions, again, in a respectful and non-inflammatory manner. We're all friends here, right?

Let me start off. As those of you who know a bit about Japan might point out (see avatar), I'm a communist. Communism is a left anarchist political ideology based on the establishment of an egalitarian, oppression-free, classless and stateless society without the need of currency. Laws, etc. are all decided upon via direct democracy (communism is the purest form of democracy. Everyone contributes to society in some way, shape or form and is in turn supplied with their needs of living. The ideology was first thoroughly described by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in The Manifesto of the Communist Party. Anyway, that's my (very) brief definition of communism. What about you guys?

No Libertarian option. ANyway to add one or did you use up all the options already?

Also with no desire to flame you, you do realise that communism was scientifically disproved as an economic system around a hundred years ago? In a communist society then economic calculation is impossible which means that no one knows what to produce because no one knows what people want. Its all well and good saying that society will provide everyone with their living needs but when society has no clue as to what those living needs are you run into problems.

In addition in order to make everyone equal it is impossible to bring everyone up to the same level as regards to talents, gifts, intelligence, etc. Therefore, for everyone to be truly equal they must be all brough down to the lowest level.

In fact socialism in my opinion is evil as it denies the very existance of greed and self interest and in doing so brings about the ruination of nations. I understand that greed and self interest are regarded as "evil" and I don't admit that they aren't but denying this obvious truth is a terrible mistake to make. In a perfect world communism would be wonderful but it fails to take into account the flawed nature of humanity.