Pre-owned games banned? Are you cool with that?

[Soxafloppin]

Nope, I buy most games new, but sell my games so I can afford do to it.

 

[Reaper195]

I don't see the point in buying used. At least in New Zealand, used and new games have extremely little price difference. Although Quite a few times I've bought used simply because it's hard to find. Half my game library on PS2 and earlier is preowned, since I found them at second hand shops, garage sales, etc.

 

[BarbaricGoose]

Most of my games I reserve, but I wouldn't support this--not if I lived to be 1,000.

If Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo introduces a feature like this, they can kiss my ass if they think I'm buying their console.

 

[EternalFacepalm]

Like in all the threads: I have next to no love left for used games or people buying used. You are supporting a chain of stores which are run by assholes, abuse their customers, employees and the one industry relying on first hand sales through them.

And I am also a PC gamer. I just laugh at all you nonsense prophecies about the future of consoles when games start to be bound to an account or such.

The thing is, people wouldn't be buying used if the prices for new copies weren't so unreasonably priced. $60 for New Super Mario Bros. you say? That's obviously fair!

Luckily, I only tend to buy games from Steam these days, where there are daily sales and most prices are rather reasonable.

When I do feel the need for a new console, though, it certainly won't be from Microsoft.

 

[Vuljatar]

Destroying the used game market would be the first step towards the destruction of the entire gaming industry.

Used games keep the developers working hard. It's not good enough to make a game that people want to play, you have to make a game that people want to keep playing, otherwise they'll just sell it to someone else when they finish with it.

 

[Sincendiary]

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The problem I see with that all is basically that it occurs to not enough people that licenses always violated this principle. Though it could be easily ignored until the growth of the internet publisher and co start to enforce the licenses by all means. Even now there are loads of products in the UK, physical products nontheless, that seem to violate that principle. I am talking about PC games.

I'd like to see the trade of this licenses between people enabled on all platforms, even if they'll come with some restrictions like activation codes which we'll have to deactivate before sell. Even though I am not someone who sells used or even wants to sell the games I accquired over the last 10 years I saw this flaw a long time ago.

The problem is: How do we get the publisher to change the EULAs that way and even maybe get them on the path how they still could profit from the used market without cutting content off or such:

Get enough people pissed of to and go to court. The issue with ownership of purchased hard copies is not simple and still not resolved.

Question: So, the U.K. already has software and PC games with registration codes or not?

If they do and that already got taken to task on the law Sleekit was referring to, it would seem as though console games be allowed to do the same thing.

Anyway, my opinions:

Franky for many years rentals, not used games, have been my big attraction to consoles despite primarily being a PC gamer. I liked playing a game for a weekend and trying it out first. It was also a comfort knowing that if I hated the game when I bought it, I could get some of my money back.

However, I've actually spent more money on "experiment" games to see if I like them completely unsellable indie games for PC because the price point is around 5-20 bucks via direct download which doesn't seem like a big risk to me.

It's all about "risk" for my entertainment dollar. I have a hard time buying a big budget 60 dollar title for pc anymore because of it. I suppose I might abandon consoles entirely in favor of PC titles should they be on the same "risk for dollar" platform. Might be good for PC exclusive titles too

 

[LiquidSolstice]

I talked to many people over the last weeks about this topic. They always imply that GameStop is their only option. And there are still tons of people who seem to ignore internet as a way of distribition.

And right now I see in my city how GameStop, even though they give worse deals than the old specialised gaming stores and want more for their games, opened a second store and drive all the other stores out of buisness. GameStop, GAME and whatever are actually a retail monopoly, it just varies from place to place what they call themselfs.

Psst, this might be a shock to you, but GameStop is often not where people go to get used games. Ever heard of this tiny little upstart site called eBay? Or the lesser known site "Amazon"? Or even this really, really weird one I only found out about yesterday.

I think the man I met called it "creggs-list", although I could be wrong about that.

Also, on the topic of being serious, welcome to the world of chain businesses. They have recognition, standards (however low they may be) and unfairly undercut prices. They will ultimately consume the world, so you best get used to them.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Destroying the used game market would be the first step towards the destruction of the entire gaming industry.

Used games keep the developers working hard. It's not good enough to make a game that people want to play, you have to make a game that people want to keep playing, otherwise they'll just sell it to someone else when they finish with it.

As honorable as your intentions are, I fucking hate that kind of attitude. It forces the over-saturation of games that advertise multiplayer as the primary feature and the single-player is an afterthought.

People have lost their appreciation for games because no one seems to stop and care about singleplayer games anymore.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Why would console manufacturers take away the only advantage consoles have over PC's? You might as well become a PC gamer after that since there are literally no advantages left, and PC games usually cost $10 less like a pre-owned game, plus you can buy a shitload of games on Steam sales.
That's why I doubt it will happen. It would eventually kill console business.

 

[Vuljatar]

As honorable as your intentions are, I fucking hate that kind of attitude. It forces the over-saturation of games that advertise multiplayer as the primary feature and the single-player is an afterthought.

People have lost their appreciation for games because no one seems to stop and care about singleplayer games anymore.

Actually it doesn't. That's simply dev laziness in action.

There are many ways to keep the customer playing. Look at GTA 4, RDR, ME 1 and 2, DAO, Skyrim, FO3 and NV, DX:HR, even Portal for christ's sake. It's a little something called replayability.

 

[Arrian Zautsen]

(the quote is from earlier in the forum, i dont usually post shit so its not done properly but whatever, fuck microsoft, capitalist pigs, too bad they don't read these forums, maybe they'd have a clue... anyway)
"TheKasp:
Like in all the threads: I have next to no love left for used games or people buying used. You are supporting a chain of stores which are run by assholes, abuse their customers, employees and the one industry relying on first hand sales through them.

And I am also a PC gamer. I just laugh at all you nonsense prophecies about the future of consoles when games start to be bound to an account or such."

Get over yourself dude, not all of us have five grand to spend on a PC that will run most next gen games at anywhere near console performance, let alone the hundreds of dollars it would take every 6 months to update the hardware. And having said that, microsoft looks to be doing a pretty good job in screwing people who wanna play games on windows 7 so far anyway. So onto the consoles, basically there is NO WAY a bunch of old dudes who want to fatten up their already bursting wallets to implement a failsafe "anti-used-game" ANYTHING, because there will always be people right up to developers themselves implementing ways to get around it. Having said that, basically microsoft has 2 choices; 1. Get over themselves and their addiction to "increasing profit margins", and scrap this plan... or 2. Go ahead with their plan and loose far more profits than they could ever predict.
Implementing a mechanism to prevent games from being played on all consoles bar the original will cause a snowball effect in piracy. It may even cause proper organised piracy to a scale of which we havnt seen. The reason being that people are going to realise that not only would they have to pay the full price of every game, but also that the absence of a used games market will just cause a push actual straight up piracy. Like i said, gen y and good natured developers will be able to get past any half assed security microsoft installs on their discs/consoles, and once that is done, seeders baby, you only need one to get the ball rolling, and then NO ONE gets money. Microsoft gets paid by one dude, who then can pirate the game to whoever he wishes, the best part? all those people who used to be morally opposed to piracy wont give a fuck anyway, because, like its been said before in this forum, who wants to be forced to pay full price for a game that 1, you dont even know is going to be good, and 2, you cant get rid of if you hate?

 

[Vuljatar]

Get over yourself dude, not all of us have five grand to spend on a PC that will run most next gen games at anywhere near console performance, let alone the hundreds of dollars it would take every 6 months to update the hardware.

This is just completely false, and quite frankly everyone should know that by now. Please stop spreading that idiotic misinformation.

If you're smart and build your own machine, you can run current gen games at console performance for under $500 (probably under $400). Even if you are exceedingly lazy and buy a gaming PC, you shouldn't spend more than $1k for that level of performance. Those "hundreds of dollars" hardware upgrades you refer to would be every couple years, not every 6 months.

The rest of your post I actually agree with, mostly. Such an insulting and hackneyed attempt to kill the used game market would greatly encourage piracy.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

As honorable as your intentions are, I fucking hate that kind of attitude. It forces the over-saturation of games that advertise multiplayer as the primary feature and the single-player is an afterthought.

People have lost their appreciation for games because no one seems to stop and care about singleplayer games anymore.

Actually it doesn't. That's simply dev laziness in action.

There are many ways to keep the customer playing. Look at GTA 4, RDR, ME 1 and 2, DAO, Skyrim, FO3 and NV, DX:HR, even Portal for christ's sake. It's a little something called replayability.

So with the exception of Portal, it's pretty much "Make your game open-world or die?"

 

[Scars Unseen]

As honorable as your intentions are, I fucking hate that kind of attitude. It forces the over-saturation of games that advertise multiplayer as the primary feature and the single-player is an afterthought.

People have lost their appreciation for games because no one seems to stop and care about singleplayer games anymore.

Actually it doesn't. That's simply dev laziness in action.

There are many ways to keep the customer playing. Look at GTA 4, RDR, ME 1 and 2, DAO, Skyrim, FO3 and NV, DX:HR, even Portal for christ's sake. It's a little something called replayability.

So with the exception of Portal, it's pretty much "Make your game open-world or die?"

Since when was open world expanded to include "linear mission-based story plus a few side quests?" Bioware has never made an open world game. Not ever.

 

[lRookiel]

I'd hate that, I mean really hate that.... I like to buy used games from like 10 years ago, such as yesterday I ordered used copies of Severance blade of darkness, and praetorians from Play trader just because I dont want to pay lots of money for games the devs don't even give a damn about anymore....

 

[Vault101]

Destroying the used game market would be the first step towards the destruction of the entire gaming industry.

Used games keep the developers working hard. It's not good enough to make a game that people want to play, you have to make a game that people want to keep playing, otherwise they'll just sell it to someone else when they finish with it.

As honorable as your intentions are, I fucking hate that kind of attitude. It forces the over-saturation of games that advertise multiplayer as the primary feature and the single-player is an afterthought.

People have lost their appreciation for games because no one seems to stop and care about singleplayer games anymore.

ummmm...Skyrim?

or like...ALOT of AAA realses from last year and years before? kind of a dramatic blanket statment there

 

[Mr Pantomime]

I really have no time for anything that gets between me and playing a game. So I dont want anything stopping me from playing one, whether its used or from a different region. These systems are so convoluted and plain annoying, and I dont want to deal with them. Swallowing this shit really just enables corporates to do whatever they want. Dont give them money.

I also think that since we dont know anything about this new Xbox, except that it cant play used games, its not being marketed very well. Why would anyone buy a console that does less than the other ones?