PS3 comeback

[SteveDave]

I really don't see the PS3 closing any gap but I also don't see their sales decreasing month to month either. My reason for believing this is simply because of the price. People buy Wiis because it is the "in" thing to do but people buy 360s and PS3s because they actually intend on using them extensively. But say someone is going to buy this as a present for someone else and they compare the price of a 360 and PS3 eight times out of ten they'll pick the 360 especially since most consumers are scalling down their holiday spending this year. PS3 can not lower their price because they are already selling at a big loss and therefore can not compete with the 360s price in the long run. But the PS3s blue-ray capabilities will keep sales steady, I believe.

Clarification, not a fanboy of any sort. Last generation I owned a PS2 and this generation I own a 360.

 

[Doug]

The main problem I have, now that I'm considering getting a system, is that games that come out for both XBox and PS3 always seem to be better on the XBox (according to reviews). It might be an issue with the framerate (often) or DLC, but games that should be identical always seem to be a little better on the 360.

Some of that has to do with EA, but for the most part I agree, for the PS3 to reach full potential, it needs more exclusive titles

Although I hate it when games turn out to be exclusive titles, you're right. After I found out that LBP didn't come out for the 360 nor the PC, I died a little inside and wanted a PS3. That's some good marketing.

Very true - I do wonder if LBP is as good as they say in ponder getting a PS3 to replace my XBox 360, but the way I see it, I already have alot of XBox games, both produce enough heat to heat my room BETTER THAN MY RADIATOR, and both are very similar. Plus, I find Japanese RPGs and games in general to be tedious movies as opposed to games (my own view), and most PS3 only games are Japanese in origin at least (Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid).

But one thing I have noticed are Xbox 'exclusives' end up porting onto other platforms over time (Mass Effect, for example).

Personally, I think that its better to port games out to other platforms (when possible - for example, the Wii hardware has large differences in performance and input to other platforms). Exclusives, whilst they can improve sales of one platform, will hurt gaming overall.

Some people can afford all 3 consoles and a PC, but I doubt the majority do. (I could in theory afford it but it seems like a waste to buy a Wii and PS3).

Whilst I can understand LittleBigPlanet is a Sony owned product, I would have personally thought they could make more money and spread the risk out by branching out onto other platforms after, say, a year. Same with Halo for Microsoft.

 

[SinisterDeath]

I lol'd, because I'm a programmer.

Because it was ridiculous?
Or because it was right?

I have no idea about which one they start on or even try to comprehend how they can be so different.

Because the text is clearly based on some accurate facts, but the person who wrote it has been doing a lot of guess work to fill in the blanks (using terminology that he doesn't really understand) and the end result just comes off as amusing.

What can I say, I suck at programming, and have to pull words out of my ass when I can't think of the right terminology.

http://www.ddj.com/hpc-high-performance-computing/197801624
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=4
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=2837496&query.id=27072#M2837496

Thats basically where I got the info.

 

[SteveDave]

The main problem I have, now that I'm considering getting a system, is that games that come out for both XBox and PS3 always seem to be better on the XBox (according to reviews). It might be an issue with the framerate (often) or DLC, but games that should be identical always seem to be a little better on the 360.

Some of that has to do with EA, but for the most part I agree, for the PS3 to reach full potential, it needs more exclusive titles

Although I hate it when games turn out to be exclusive titles, you're right. After I found out that LBP didn't come out for the 360 nor the PC, I died a little inside and wanted a PS3. That's some good marketing.

Very true - I do wonder if LBP is as good as they say in ponder getting a PS3 to replace my XBox 360, but the way I see it, I already have alot of XBox games, both produce enough heat to heat my room BETTER THAN MY RADIATOR, and both are very similar. Plus, I find Japanese RPGs and games in general to be tedious movies as opposed to games (my own view), and most PS3 only games are Japanese in origin at least (Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid).

But one thing I have noticed are Xbox 'exclusives' end up porting onto other platforms over time (Mass Effect, for example).

Personally, I think that its better to port games out to other platforms (when possible - for example, the Wii hardware has large differences in performance and input to other platforms). Exclusives, whilst they can improve sales of one platform, will hurt gaming overall.

Some people can afford all 3 consoles and a PC, but I doubt the majority do. (I could in theory afford it but it seems like a waste to buy a Wii and PS3).

Whilst I can understand LittleBigPlanet is a Sony owned product, I would have personally thought they could make more money and spread the risk out by branching out onto other platforms after, say, a year. Same with Halo for Microsoft.

The problem is that the reason that LittleBigPlanet isn't going to the 360 isn't because Sony are hogging it - according to Media Molecule, they literally cannot do it. The game requires a full Blu-Ray disc and a Hard Drive as standard.

They could always start developing a port specially made for the 360. Just because it is made for Blue-Ray doesn't mean that is impossible, it just means it would take them longer to port it to another system.

 

[SteveDave]

It would still sell more copies than it has now which, not matter how you cut it, is the bottomline.

EDIT: What you said didn't stop Spore being ported out as a lesser product.

 

[SteveDave]

Maybe they should have. But I believe they thought they were going to do great on the PS3. Not the case. Also, if you get it on the PS3 and enjoy it what do you care if someone else buys it on another platform?

 

[SteveDave]

Well the conversation that we are having is completely wothless because LBP is published by Sony and that influences any platform decision more than hardware

 

[Isaac Dodgson]

(sorry about that, without thinking i pressed enter instead of tab hold on whil i write the topic.)

That right there, ladies and gentlemen, is a prime example of what you do instead of leaving it with just (no text).

Bravo.

Heh, I've done this with the majority of topics i start, always going back to say "Hit post by accident, please stand by." but anyway onto the topic at hand

I would of bought a PS3 right now if i had the money. You see it's not that I feel that it's overly expensive, it's just that when I had money it was and the 360 was a better buy...now I'm piss broke and in school...so it will have to wait...

 

[SteveDave]

what do YOU care if you knew the game wouldn't be on the console you brought?
That means you should either suck it up and buy it (Like I am for the PSP, I wanna stop depending on my bro) or just leave it alone, whining to the Whambulence is pathetic.

I'm putting my foot down here, ANY fanboy for any console who bitches and whines about not getting a game on another console should just shut up. I'm not getting Star Ocean 4, My brother owns the 360 and he DOES NOT PLAY RPGS I will not get that game, fine i'm over than, I wanted it, but I can't have it, fine.

I want Tales of Vesperia, going off previous Tales Of games it probably WILL be released to multiple consoles. But I won't ***** if it never comes out.

So why do other fanboys feel the need to ***** and whine constantly if they can't get a game they KNEW they wouldn't be getting.

instead of bitching about it, suck in your gut and buy the console and game, or just shut up about it and let it go.

People like that ruin the industry. and this isn't limited to the 360 crowd (Although they are the most vocal on the boards I go one) but to every console fanboy, the only ones I can say are free of this are Wii fans.

Tl;dr? Suck it up and shut up, nobody wants to listen to your incessant whinging, if you need to go make a live journal and ***** there.

I'm not looking at this from a fanboy point of view but from a buisness one. And besides why should a PS3 owner care whether if one of their games is ported to the 360 and Wii? I didn't care when Oblivion was ported, when Bioshock was ported or when Mass Effect was announced as a port. Why? Because it doesn't effect me, the consumer, one iota if a developer makes more money porting their product. So don't lump me in with fanboys, asshole. The point I am trying to make is that the more money games like LBP make the more games like LBP will be made. And the best way to make more money as a developer is to launch on multiple platforms.

 

[Jumplion]

what do YOU care if you knew the game wouldn't be on the console you brought?
That means you should either suck it up and buy it (Like I am for the PSP, I wanna stop depending on my bro) or just leave it alone, whining to the Whambulence is pathetic.

I'm putting my foot down here, ANY fanboy for any console who bitches and whines about not getting a game on another console should just shut up. I'm not getting Star Ocean 4, My brother owns the 360 and he DOES NOT PLAY RPGS I will not get that game, fine i'm over than, I wanted it, but I can't have it, fine.

I want Tales of Vesperia, going off previous Tales Of games it probably WILL be released to multiple consoles. But I won't ***** if it never comes out.

So why do other fanboys feel the need to ***** and whine constantly if they can't get a game they KNEW they wouldn't be getting.

instead of bitching about it, suck in your gut and buy the console and game, or just shut up about it and let it go.

People like that ruin the industry. and this isn't limited to the 360 crowd (Although they are the most vocal on the boards I go one) but to every console fanboy, the only ones I can say are free of this are Wii fans.

Tl;dr? Suck it up and shut up, nobody wants to listen to your incessant whinging, if you need to go make a live journal and ***** there.

I'm not looking at this from a fanboy point of view but from a buisness one. And besides why should a PS3 owner care whether if one of their games is ported to the 360 and Wii? I didn't care when Oblivion was ported, when Bioshock was ported or when Mass Effect was announced as a port. Why? Because it doesn't effect me, the consumer, one iota if a developer makes more money porting their product. So don't lump me in with fanboys, asshole. The point I am trying to make is that the more money games like LBP make the more games like LBP will be made. And the best way to make more money as a developer is to launch on multiple platforms.

But you're missing the point of exclusives, like it or not they drive the industry just as much as anything else. If consoles didn't have exclusives, then there would be no reason to buy their particular console. You say you're looking at this from a business perspective, but you're only looking at this from the developer's side not the publisher's side (Sony, MS, Nintendo). If there weren't any exclusives there would be no reason to buy a Ps3 or 360 or even a Wii since they'd all have pretty much the exact same library of games.

Onmi is right, either get the hardware or pissoff. I want Left 4 Dead on the Ps3 since I don't have a 360 or a good enough computer, but I'm going to have to suck it up until it's either ported to Ps3 or until I can upgrade my computer. Oh yeah sure, it'll get VALVe more money, blah blah blah, but I can't go around wondering about the "if's" and "when's" until VALVe decides to port it to Ps3. If it is, woop-de-do for me, but if it isn't, boo-hoo, I'll move on with my life.

 

[CyberAkuma]

My faith in SONY is still ruined by their rediculous pricing.

I mean is the price of the PSP STILL as much as an Xbox360?
That's just ridiculous!

 

[Jumplion]

My faith in SONY is still ruined by their rediculous pricing.

I mean is the price of the PSP STILL as much as an Xbox360?
That's just ridiculous!

Isn't the DS about the same price to? I don't know, can't remember the recent price tag for a DS.

 

[CyberAkuma]

Isn't the DS about the same price to? I don't know, can't remember the recent price tag for a DS.

Nintendo DS is still $130 [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16868100032] and they probably don't have any reason to lower its price (it is after all the worlds most sold handheld console and it's selling more copies in Japan than cupcakes on fatcamp)

PSP is $1999 and PSP 3000 is slightly more.

Xbox360 Arcade is $199 still if I'm not mistaken.

 

[SteveDave]

what do YOU care if you knew the game wouldn't be on the console you brought?
That means you should either suck it up and buy it (Like I am for the PSP, I wanna stop depending on my bro) or just leave it alone, whining to the Whambulence is pathetic.

I'm putting my foot down here, ANY fanboy for any console who bitches and whines about not getting a game on another console should just shut up. I'm not getting Star Ocean 4, My brother owns the 360 and he DOES NOT PLAY RPGS I will not get that game, fine i'm over than, I wanted it, but I can't have it, fine.

I want Tales of Vesperia, going off previous Tales Of games it probably WILL be released to multiple consoles. But I won't ***** if it never comes out.

So why do other fanboys feel the need to ***** and whine constantly if they can't get a game they KNEW they wouldn't be getting.

instead of bitching about it, suck in your gut and buy the console and game, or just shut up about it and let it go.

People like that ruin the industry. and this isn't limited to the 360 crowd (Although they are the most vocal on the boards I go one) but to every console fanboy, the only ones I can say are free of this are Wii fans.

Tl;dr? Suck it up and shut up, nobody wants to listen to your incessant whinging, if you need to go make a live journal and ***** there.

I'm not looking at this from a fanboy point of view but from a buisness one. And besides why should a PS3 owner care whether if one of their games is ported to the 360 and Wii? I didn't care when Oblivion was ported, when Bioshock was ported or when Mass Effect was announced as a port. Why? Because it doesn't effect me, the consumer, one iota if a developer makes more money porting their product. So don't lump me in with fanboys, asshole. The point I am trying to make is that the more money games like LBP make the more games like LBP will be made. And the best way to make more money as a developer is to launch on multiple platforms.

But you're missing the point of exclusives, like it or not they drive the industry just as much as anything else. If consoles didn't have exclusives, then there would be no reason to buy their particular console. You say you're looking at this from a business perspective, but you're only looking at this from the developer's side not the publisher's side (Sony, MS, Nintendo). If there weren't any exclusives there would be no reason to buy a Ps3 or 360 or even a Wii since they'd all have pretty much the exact same library of games.

Onmi is right, either get the hardware or pissoff. I want Left 4 Dead on the Ps3 since I don't have a 360 or a good enough computer, but I'm going to have to suck it up until it's either ported to Ps3 or until I can upgrade my computer. Oh yeah sure, it'll get VALVe more money, blah blah blah, but I can't go around wondering about the "if's" and "when's" until VALVe decides to port it to Ps3. If it is, woop-de-do for me, but if it isn't, boo-hoo, I'll move on with my life.

Why do you think that you have seen so many games that were once exclusive are no longer exlcusive anymore? Because the huge publishers EA, Act-Bliaa and Take-2 see the money in multiplatform games. You fail to mention these publishers, you must have forgot. Sony and Microsoft see this and that is why Microsoft has DLC and made the big deal with Netflix or Sony's attempt to create the interactive interface (forgot the name)and has Blu-Ray. Wii doesn't have to do such things because 1st party games drive the system. I'm not saying that exlusives are dead but what games a console has doesn't completely go in a consumers decision into buying a game because the other consoles have the same games. That is the reason I purchased my 360 after great contemplation, because of the DLC. And I'm not bitching and moaning about not seeing LBP on the 360 I am simply stating that its bad sales could be directly connected to its exlusivity and disecting why it is so, so maybe I can learn something and not be an asshole like yourself.