How am I kidding myself....? Nevermind, that's not important...Mortai Gravesend said:Hah, don't kid yourself. It probably has little to do with finances and the like. Maybe looks somewhat. But you're missing the obvious lack of personality some people can have. 'Nice' is far from sufficient personality-wise.Headsprouter said:Assuming you mean the concept is dumb, and guys complaining about it are being stupid....GeneralTwinkle said:Because they're your friends doesn't mean they have to go out with you. Friend zone is dumb.
Yes, but I think the problem the OP is having is that all these girls are claiming all they want is a "nice guy", when what they really want is a nice, good-looking guy with good financial prospects blah blah blah, nestbuilding and child-rearing instinctive requirements, etc etc....
"Nice guy" means more than what it says to these women. If this is all they wanted, they would have went for it a long time ago.
But you agree that women are asking for a lot more than just being treated nicely. I think this is what men don't understand. Nice is flexible. Like you say, for some, in fact, most, it can mean a great personality.
Here's something I don't understand, though: All these douchebags they date. Obviously they turned out to have AMAZING, likable personalities. What makes those who treat others like dirt so attractive? I suppose they don't mind, until it's shot their way.