Punishing a Teenager

[Sakurazaki1023]

Holy hell...
readin some of the comments here makes me wanna puke...
Are you even aware of the fact that you are talking about a human being?
Disgusting.

Most of us are well aware she is a human being, the issue here is that she has no sense of appreciation or even simple manners. If she really is as bad as the OP says, then the best course of action is to force her to realize that the home she grew up in is not the real world. If she thinks she can do as she pleases without punishment, then force her into the real world and see how she fares. If there is any chance that she can change for the better, she will be back as soon as her money runs out and she has pissed off all of her friends.

She may have been ruler of her parent's house, but throw her highness into the real world and she will see that people won't bow to her anymore.

 

[ramox]

Holy hell...
readin some of the comments here makes me wanna puke...
Are you even aware of the fact that you are talking about a human being?
Disgusting.

Most of us are well aware she is a human being, the issue here is that she has no sense of appreciation or even simple manners. If she really is as bad as the OP says, then the best course of action is to force her to realize that the home she grew up in is not the real world. If she thinks she can do as she pleases without punishment, then force her into the real world and see how she fares. If there is any chance that she can change for the better, she will be back as soon as her money runs out and she has pissed off all of her friends.

She may have been ruler of her parent's house, but throw her highness into the real world and she will see that people won't bow to her anymore.

You see, i don't even disagree. I know too little about the case to make any assumtions about what will or will not work.
I was just reffering to commments along the line of "let her overdose and die in a dumpster". Yes, some people end like this. Yes, argueably some even deserve to end like this (i sure don't think so).
But i would never ever be able to say something like this about a person i know shit about apart from what some relative tells us (which is...nothing in the end, as far as i know this whole story about the girl could very well be made up. Even the girl herself).

 

[petrolinus]

The topic at hand is the result of bad parenting. People do not become "unruly" for no reason, it's either because of incredibly strict parents, in which case it is a form of the youth-rebellion... Or the result of immensely lax parenting, in which case the teenager does everything it can, because there is no consequence. Or, in a more "extreme" scenario, the result of abuse (not necessarily sexual) by the parents, in which case it is also a form of the youth-rebellion.

Woah, finally one guy I can agree with. I think at least half of you people who suggested something ridiculously brutal are f****ng hypocrites (The other half was joking, I hope). If somebody had started a poll along the lines of "should marijuana be legalized?", there would have been a 90 percent approving majority. But now, everybody's acting like he's a saint.

I'm really surprised about your reactions. Yeah, just lock out your daughter, that's not going to do any more damage to her at all. I've got a surprise for you: You're not a grownup at the age of sixteen. And you keep doing stupid things for a long time after that (unless you have no life at all). Because trial and error doesn't really work so well for some of us. If your leave your kid to itself, it'll further hurt itself. Even more so if there is nobody to guide it along the way.

I agree that the majority of your personal traits is formed by education and your parents. What exactly causes rebellious behaviour I do not know, but I know being asshole parents has a lot to do with it.

 

[Sakurazaki1023]

Holy hell...
readin some of the comments here makes me wanna puke...
Are you even aware of the fact that you are talking about a human being?
Disgusting.

Most of us are well aware she is a human being, the issue here is that she has no sense of appreciation or even simple manners. If she really is as bad as the OP says, then the best course of action is to force her to realize that the home she grew up in is not the real world. If she thinks she can do as she pleases without punishment, then force her into the real world and see how she fares. If there is any chance that she can change for the better, she will be back as soon as her money runs out and she has pissed off all of her friends.

She may have been ruler of her parent's house, but throw her highness into the real world and she will see that people won't bow to her anymore.

You see, i don't even disagree. I know too little about the case to make any assumtions about what will or will not work.
I was just reffering to commments along the line of "let her overdose and die in a dumpster". Yes, some people end like this. Yes, argueably some even deserve to end like this (i sure don't think so).
But i would never ever be able to say something like this about a person i know shit about apart from what some relative tells us (which is...nothing in the end, as far as i know this whole story about the girl could very well be made up. Even the girl herself).

Those die in the ditch comments are why I included "most of us" in the beginning of my post. I would never wish that sort of fate on anyone much less a person who could learn her lesson and change her ways. In your original post I assumed you were referring to the entire "throw her out argument", I apologize for any insult caused by my comments.

 

[ramox]

Holy hell...
readin some of the comments here makes me wanna puke...
Are you even aware of the fact that you are talking about a human being?
Disgusting.

Most of us are well aware she is a human being, the issue here is that she has no sense of appreciation or even simple manners. If she really is as bad as the OP says, then the best course of action is to force her to realize that the home she grew up in is not the real world. If she thinks she can do as she pleases without punishment, then force her into the real world and see how she fares. If there is any chance that she can change for the better, she will be back as soon as her money runs out and she has pissed off all of her friends.

She may have been ruler of her parent's house, but throw her highness into the real world and she will see that people won't bow to her anymore.

You see, i don't even disagree. I know too little about the case to make any assumtions about what will or will not work.
I was just reffering to commments along the line of "let her overdose and die in a dumpster". Yes, some people end like this. Yes, argueably some even deserve to end like this (i sure don't think so).
But i would never ever be able to say something like this about a person i know shit about apart from what some relative tells us (which is...nothing in the end, as far as i know this whole story about the girl could very well be made up. Even the girl herself).

Those die in the ditch comments are why I included "most of us" in the beginning of my post. I would never wish that sort of fate on anyone much less a person who could learn her lesson and change her ways. In your original post I assumed you were referring to the entire "throw her out argument", I apologize for any insult caused by my comments.

I also included "some comments" in my first post
But no harm done, i should have explained a bit better what i am rumbling about but frankly, at that moment after reading those comments i was indeed disgusted and raging...and therefor maybe kinda unable to respond properly.

 

[TheLaofKazi]

Smoking Weed does NOT make someone a druggie. It's not a drug, it's a feckin' herb, it's no more of a drug than coffee. Just thought I'd clear that up.

2 a[sic] substance that has a particular effect on the body

Cannabis has psychoactive and physiological effects when consumed. The minimum amount of THC required to have a perceptible psychoactive effect is about 10 micrograms per kilogram of body weight. Aside from a subjective change in perception and, most notably, mood, the most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term episodic memory, working memory, psychomotor coordination, and concentration. Long-term effects are less clear.

Consumption of caffeine does not eliminate the need for sleep, it only temporarily reduces the sensation of being tired throughout the day. In general, 25 to 50 milligrams of caffeine is sufficient for most people to report increased alertness and arousal as well as subjectively lower levels of fatigue.

Silly stoner.

Caffine is a drug as well.

You don't call somebody that drinks coffee a druggie, do you?

I say a druggie is anybody that has an extreme, harmful dependency on a substance.

Both caffine and marijuana can be harmful if used excessively. Both are also, for the most part, harmless if used moderately or occasionally.

 

[cheese_wizington]

Call Nanny 911?

I'd disown the ungrateful brat.

 

[Weaver]

Send her to a reform school.

 

[chaos order]

Smoking Weed does NOT make someone a druggie. It's not a drug, it's a feckin' herb, it's no more of a drug than coffee. Just thought I'd clear that up.

lol really? apparently you dont know what weed can actually do to u. It can actually mess u up pretty bad. understandably not as bad as crack or heroine but non the less its pretty bad for you. coffee is good moderately, like one or two cups a day. weed releases a mild for of acid which after prolonged use can lead to brain damage.

so uve been smokin weed for 10 years so there fore it good for u? ok...

I have been smoking weed for over a decade and I beg to differ.

 

[King Largo]

Indeed! Cannabinoid receptors would not be the most numerous receptor type in the human body if we were not meant to agonize them once in a while. In fact, the human body synthesizes and releases Anandamide (an endogenous cannabinoid) when it's needed (or if you've drank a lot of alcohol). Now, having said that, I DO agree that marijuana is not for everyone, and most teenagers DO NOT benefit from the substance. However, the whole "marijuana use causes an acid build-up in your brain" argument sounds slightly too reminiscent of a statement from Family Guy for me to be comfortable even trying to pick it apart.

Edit: woops, this was supposed to be at low key and chaos order, with a quote from them heading up the post. I shouldn't have skipped coffee.

 

[cyber_andyy]

Smoking Weed does NOT make someone a druggie. It's not a drug, it's a feckin' herb, it's no more of a drug than coffee. Just thought I'd clear that up.

2 a[sic] substance that has a particular effect on the body

Cannabis has psychoactive and physiological effects when consumed. The minimum amount of THC required to have a perceptible psychoactive effect is about 10 micrograms per kilogram of body weight. Aside from a subjective change in perception and, most notably, mood, the most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term episodic memory, working memory, psychomotor coordination, and concentration. Long-term effects are less clear.

Consumption of caffeine does not eliminate the need for sleep, it only temporarily reduces the sensation of being tired throughout the day. In general, 25 to 50 milligrams of caffeine is sufficient for most people to report increased alertness and arousal as well as subjectively lower levels of fatigue.

Silly stoner.

Caffine is a drug as well.

You don't call somebody that drinks coffee a druggie, do you?

I say a druggie is anybody that has an extreme, harmful dependency on a substance.

Both caffine and marijuana can be harmful if used excessively. Both are also, for the most part, harmless if used moderately or occasionally.

The silly stoner part was in referance to the way he seemed outraged that Cannabis is a drug, and the almost personal defense of its use.

I listed the definition of a drug then the effects of Caffine and Cannabis to show they are drugs. I know perfectly well that Caffine is a drug.

Spoiler: The risks

Even hardcore smokers can become anxious, panicky, suspicious or paranoid.
Cannabis affects your coordination, which is one of the reasons why drug driving is just as illegal as drink driving.

Some people think cannabis is harmless just because its a plant – but it isnt harmless. Cannabis, like tobacco, has lots of chemical nasties, which can cause lung disease and possibly cancer with long-term or heavy use, especially as it is often mixed with tobacco and smoked without a filter. It can also make asthma worse, and cause wheezing in non-asthma sufferers.

Cannabis itself can affect many different systems in the body, including the heart: It increases the heart rate and can affect blood pressure.

If you ve a history of mental health problems, then taking cannabis is not a good idea: It can cause paranoia in the short term, but in those with a pre-existing psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia, it can contribute to relapse.

If you use cannabis and have a family background of mental illness, such as schizophrenia, you may be at increased risk of developing a psychotic illness.

It is reported that frequent use of cannabis can cut a man's sperm count, reduce sperm motility, and can suppress ovulation in women and so may affect fertility.
If youre pregnant, smoking cannabis frequently may have some association with the risk of the baby being born smaller than expected.

Regular, heavy use makes it difficult to learn and concentrate. Some people begin to feel tired all the time and can't seem to get motivated.

Some users may want to buy strong herbal cannabis to get a bigger high but unpleasant reactions can be more powerful when you use strong cannabis, and it is possible that using strong cannabis repeatedly could lead in time to more users experiencing harmful effects such as dependence or being more at risk of developing the mental health effects.

Spoiler: Chances of getting hooked

As with other drugs, dependence on cannabis is influenced by a number of factors, including how long you’ve been using it, how much you use and whether you are just more prone to become dependent. You may find you have difficulty stopping regular use and you may experience psychological and physical withdrawals when you do stop. The withdrawals can include cravings for cannabis irritability, mood changes; appetite disturbance, weight loss, difficulty sleeping and even sweating, shaking and diarrhoea in some people.

If you ve only been using for a short while there should be no problem stopping but with continued regular use of cannabis, this can become more difficult. You’re also at risk of getting addicted to nicotine if you roll your spliffs with tobacco.

Spoiler: Additiveness

A review and analysis of the effects of caffeine abstinence in humans claims that the withdrawal symptoms experienced are proof of physical dependence. These symptoms include headache, tiredness/fatigue, decreased energy/activeness, decreased alertness/attentiveness, drowsiness/sleepiness, decreased contentedness/well-being, depressed mood, difficulty concentrating, irritability, and felling muzzy/foggy/not clearheaded. The study also found that the onset of withdrawal symptoms typically begins 12 to 24 hours after abstinence, with the peak intensity occurring at 20 to 51 hours. The duration of withdrawal symptoms ranged from two to nine days. This is a considerable amount of time that makes it easy to understand why people would have a hard time omitting caffeine from their diet. It was recommended that further research be done to determine how vulnerability to caffeine withdrawal is affected by gender, genetics, personality, behavioral conditioning, drug abuse histories, and other factors.

The definitive answer to the question of whether caffeine is addictive is still unknown. Research is under way to clarify the issue. For anyone looking to decrease or cut out caffeine, experts all recommend doing so slowly. Stopping abruptly can result in unpleasant side effects.

Spoiler: harmful effects

Bone degeneration
Too much of a good thing could be a problem for caffeine consumers. Evidence suggests that high caffeine intake may accelerate bone loss. One study found that elderly postmenopausal women who consumed more than 300 mg per day of caffeine lost more bone in the spine than women who consumed less than 300 mg per day. However, coffee and tea drinkers may be able to counteract this negative effect by adding milk to their beverage. The consumption of cola has also been shown to be associated with lower bone mineral density. While these studies were compelling, more evidence is needed to make a definitive decision about the role of caffeine and osteoporosis.

By your definition, a Cannbis user is most certainly a "Druggie" and a Caffine user could easily be called a "Druggie".

 

[rabidmidget]

You would probably want to cut off all communication she has with her friends, as they are probably having a negative effect on her as well as put her somewhere with a strict sense of authority.

I'm sure there are boarding schools you can send her to, which specialize in this type of thing

 

[bluemistake2]

She needs better parents that can set restrictions and ground her etc

This.

The topic at hand is the result of bad parenting. People do not become "unruly" for no reason, it's either because of incredibly strict parents, in which case it is a form of the youth-rebellion... Or the result of immensely lax parenting, in which case the teenager does everything it can, because there is no consequence. Or, in a more "extreme" scenario, the result of abuse (not necessarily sexual) by the parents, in which case it is also a form of the youth-rebellion.

Either one is the result of bad parentage. Blaiming the child, even if it is a teenager, is completely wrong.

I recommand therapy for the above case, as I'd do for any such case.

Hmmm, i dont think too strict has that much to do with it, for example
When i was growing up my dad died when i was 2 and basicly went without a father for 2 years or so in this time my mum let me do anything i wanted till she met someone else, she loved him but he was incredible strict and i mean INCREDIBLE STRICT like for example i always had to adress uncles aunties with well uncle and auntie and if i didn't he'd kick my ass (like litterally kick my ass hurts to sit after) besides that if anything was even slightly annoying or didn't go his way he'd take something away, oh yeah and he threw my most treasured childhood possession in the fireplace as a joke... dick

 

[TheLaofKazi]

By your definition, a Cannbis user is most certainly a "Druggie" and a Caffine user could easily be called a "Druggie".

No.

Extreme unhealthy reliance on a substance.

Even with that, I don't think "druggie" is really suiting. I think a druggie is more along the lines of somebody whose life revolves around drugs to the point where it harms the person but the others around him. I'd say that most people that use caffeine and marijuana aren't addicted, drug-obsessed people.

The silly stoner part was in referance to the way he seemed outraged that Cannabis is a drug, and the almost personal defense of its use.

Well, if I was a marijuana user, I would probably react in the same way, because I would honestly be tired of the constant "lololol ur a druggi3 st0n3r!" I don't think he would have been so "outraged" at the fact that it's a drug if most people actually truthly referred to all drugs, as drugs. We don't call caffeine, alcohol and cigarette users as drug-users, yet we call marijuana users drug users.

I think the negative stigma that people often carry against marijuana users is grossly unfair, especially compared to other drugs. If you are going to call somebody that recreationally uses marijuana a druggie, then you might as well be fair and call people that drink beer recreationally druggies, or people that consume caffeine druggies, ect. Now, I'm sure most people here would be very reluctant to do that with alcohol and caffeine users. That's the unfairness that I speak of, because in reality using none of those mild drugs is a serious problem.

So tell me, what's wrong with the personal use of marijuana? Does the fact that somebody is is getting stoned in their basement, laughing at an episode of scrubs, and eating a ton of cheetos greatly distress you or something?

 

[cyber_andyy]

*Do you know how hard it is to snip with a laptop touch pad?8

*My original point was simply that cannabis was a drug, Have no idea how we got on to this.*

Against my better judgment, I will say only this:
I never actually called someone a "druggie"; I simply said that cannabis was a drug; NILHATE's post seemed a bit personal and overly defensive and the above.

I However, understand your point about someone above calling him a "druggie", but I didn't read that in my casual browsing of this thread.

About your last point, thats something for a whole other discussion, and I'm not exactly in the mood at the moment, so some other time ^^

 

[Lord Thodin]

Hit the dumb ***** with a brick

 

[SextusMaximus]

Young enough? Social services. Old enough? Police.

 

[Brotherofwill]

Have you ever wondered what's the source of the problem? Most difficult cases are associated with the fact that some need in her life hasn't been met.

Yep.

What's up with everyone here? Flinging shit like monkeys and making a scene altough they have no idea of what the problem seems to be. FFS. Some of the responses here are really low.

 

[rokkolpo]

Kick her out of the house and let her live on her own. Let her see how hard it is maybe then she will appreciate what she gets.

I mean it worked on my brother.

most likely your brother had luck, most people in that situation become criminals or drug addicts.(usually in combination)

at least if your brother is as bad as tht girl.