Rape Bad, Murder Good?

[ArcadianTrance]

I guess it depends on the person, I'd rather die a horrible death than be raped.

 

[mike1921]

so, what youre saying is, that rape is a healthy release of sexual frustration?

I now believe that everyone is fucked up.

I'm with ya.
as in: what I was going to say.

umm....How the fuck did you extract that from the OP?

 

[scotth266]

To quote myself:

Rape games are essentially interactive porn: that is their purpose, the intent behind their creation.

That having been said: porn is legal in the US, even the raping variety. So I fail to see us having any right to criticize the Japanese.

Also, one must wonder at the source of the uproar behind this: is it that the rapes are in the games, that they can be performed (as in, they are interactive), or that they are the goal?

In the case of the first option, I would like to remind everyone that rape has been a common factor used in both art, music, and movies for quite some time now (the latter especially so if you're a vivid watcher of Lifetime Movies like my mother is). Before you ban rape in games, you must ban it in all mediums.

With regards to the second option: I think that this isn't the real issue people draw with the game either. If rape were put into the game as a tool for pushing the storyline, or just as an extra option added to a sandbox game like GTA (as in, it would be a extra thing to do, and not the overall objective), people would get angry, but not as angry as they are now. That's just being realistic: we can't say NO USING RAPE to game developers, because that's discrimination against the medium. It's in the same school of thought as the Hide Your Children [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HideYourChildren] trope of game development, and I object to that. Why should we tell people that they can't use rape or child violence in games when they could be used to tell a story or make a point?

When venturing into the third option, I must say that my morals make me inclined to agree: rape as the goal of a game is disgusting. But should we generally ban rape in games just because of this? Or more importantly: why should we?

I think that rape in games, for better or worse, is here to stay. All we can do is use our wallets to decide the context in which it is used.

Well said, me.

 

[magnuslion]

I suffered sexual abuse and rape and torture as a child. im glad i am alive. you either choose to forgive, and move on, or you torture yourself forever. and it really is nothing more than a choice. we are the ones who cock it up with our "but..but..." crap.

as to the moral ambiguity of murder, i foind it vastlet interesting that we as a society term rape ((which i will remind you has become a freaking gaming slang term)) to be more heinous than murder, which terminates a persons choice to do anything.

kinda strange.

 

[Dys]

Really? It doesn't effect the victim? It ends their life! I'd rather be raped and continue living than not continue living.

A lot of rape victims feel differently. Rape is a form of torture, and I'd be disguisted if rape games were available in Australia (probably because games that show a hint of a breast are given a fast banhammer, let alone games that have a sex scene).

Rape is a form of torture, it fucks people. And it sure as all hell doesn't affect the victim, if she (or he) have any close family or friends, they will be forever changed. Murder is different, it can be justified with (he was a terrorist or he eats kittens) and is therefore somewhat humanized, rape cannot ever be justified. A rapist is never a good guy.

 

[mike1921]

To quote myself:

Rape games are essentially interactive porn: that is their purpose, the intent behind their creation.

That having been said: porn is legal in the US, even the raping variety. So I fail to see us having any right to criticize the Japanese.

Also, one must wonder at the source of the uproar behind this: is it that the rapes are in the games, that they can be performed (as in, they are interactive), or that they are the goal?

In the case of the first option, I would like to remind everyone that rape has been a common factor used in both art, music, and movies for quite some time now (the latter especially so if you're a vivid watcher of Lifetime Movies like my mother is). Before you ban rape in games, you must ban it in all mediums.

With regards to the second option: I think that this isn't the real issue people draw with the game either. If rape were put into the game as a tool for pushing the storyline, or just as an extra option added to a sandbox game like GTA (as in, it would be a extra thing to do, and not the overall objective), people would get angry, but not as angry as they are now. That's just being realistic: we can't say NO USING RAPE to game developers, because that's discrimination against the medium. It's in the same school of thought as the Hide Your Children [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HideYourChildren] trope of game development, and I object to that. Why should we tell people that they can't use rape or child violence in games when they could be used to tell a story or make a point?

When venturing into the third option, I must say that my morals make me inclined to agree: rape as the goal of a game is disgusting. But should we generally ban rape in games just because of this? Or more importantly: why should we?

I think that rape in games, for better or worse, is here to stay. All we can do is use our wallets to decide the context in which it is used.

Well said, me.

Very well said, and you seem smart enough to answer me on one thing, why do you act as if using a game as porn is disgusting? Or why do you think the rape fetish is so disgusting when it's not brought into the real world?

Really? It doesn't effect the victim? It ends their life! I'd rather be raped and continue living than not continue living.

A lot of rape victims feel differently. Rape is a form of torture, and I'd be disguisted if rape games were available in Australia (probably because games that show a hint of a breast are given a fast banhammer, let alone games that have a sex scene).

Rape is a form of torture, it fucks people. And it sure as all hell doesn't affect the victim, if she (or he) have any close family or friends, they will be forever changed. Murder is different, it can be justified with (he was a terrorist or he eats kittens) and is therefore somewhat humanized, rape cannot ever be justified. A rapist is never a good guy.

Well that's them. Also, let's just say australia didn't ban videogames, then would you have a problem with rape games?

.......You could humanize someone by saying they're a complete asshole who eats kittens?

 

[Gerazzi]

so, what youre saying is, that rape is a healthy release of sexual frustration?

I now believe that everyone is fucked up.

I'm with ya.
as in: what I was going to say.

umm....How the fuck did you extract that from the OP?

It's like saying that the person would be better off raping than murdering, understand.
While the original comment was a bit strong, I still think that would be around what I would say given the attention span.

 

[DN83]

Those sorts of games actually tell how to do these terrible thigs where games in which you kill people aren't neccesarily about murder. The other games actually encourage it instead of the opposite.

 

[mike1921]

so, what youre saying is, that rape is a healthy release of sexual frustration?

I now believe that everyone is fucked up.

I'm with ya.
as in: what I was going to say.

umm....How the fuck did you extract that from the OP?

It's like saying that the person would be better off raping than murdering, understand.
While the original comment was a bit strong, I still think that would be around what I would say given the attention span.

Wait , being better than murder makes something good?

 

[Leorex]

Because rape is more of an issue. I hate to say it, but it is so much easier to see the damage murder does than that of rape. It is easy to tell murder is bad, but for some sick people rape lies on the border and when you're drunk, you still know killing someone is bad, but rape may not seem like such a bad idea to you at the time. Also the fact that rape occurs more often in real life may have a factor.

are we talking from personal experience?

but i agree, i dont see whats wrong with having rape in a video game.

 

[scotth266]

Very well said, and you seem smart enough to answer me on one thing, why do you act as if using a game as porn is disgusting? Or why do you think the rape fetish is so disgusting when it's not brought into the real world?

I didn't say that first bit. I have no problem with people using games as porn: hell, one of the reasons that I dislike the ESRB is that it prevents the possibilty of a American adult game industry.

As for the second bit: read it again: I said it was my morals. As long as you keep your raping out of the real world though, I don't have any issues with you. People have always been and will always be kinky, and I must accept that.

EDIT: Quoter thingy messed up. Fixud.

 

[mike1921]

Because rape is more of an issue. I hate to say it, but it is so much easier to see the damage murder does than that of rape. It is easy to tell murder is bad, but for some sick people rape lies on the border and when you're drunk, you still know killing someone is bad, but rape may not seem like such a bad idea to you at the time. Also the fact that rape occurs more often in real life may have a factor.

Anyone sick enough to think rape is on the border is probably also sick enough to think murder is on the border.

 

[mike1921]

Well said, me.

Very well said, and you seem smart enough to answer me on one thing, why do you act as if using a game as porn is disgusting? Or why do you think the rape fetish is so disgusting when it's not brought into the real world?

I didn't say that first bit. I have no problem with people using games as porn: hell, one of the reasons that I dislike the ESRB is that it prevents the possibilty of a American adult game industry.

As for the second bit: read it again: I said it was my morals. As long as you keep your raping out of the real world though, I don't have any issues with you. People have always been and will always be kinky, and I must accept that.[/quote] I only said the first bit because you gave me the impression you either thought the first thing or the second. Something about you saying

rape as the goal of a game is disgusting. But should we generally ban rape in games just because of this?

Gave me the impression you'd like rape games banned if it wasn't for the possibility of rape being used as part of a narrative.

 

[scotth266]

...Gave me the impression you'd like rape games banned if it wasn't for the possibility of rape being used as part of a narrative.

Nah. I'm a first-amendment man through and through. I was just trying to give a example as to how it could be used positively, even though I don't like the idea myself.

If I ever played a game like this, it would be only for the sake of reviewing it. This goes for all porn games as well: I just can't find anything attractive about them. That doesn't mean I have to get uptight about them though.

 

[mike1921]

How many games have the user killing lots of human civilians and all it gets is a high age rating, but if a game actually has the user have sexual contact with the opposite sex (either willing or not) and everyone screams bloody murder.

Same reason no one thinks twice about teaching Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_ but they wait before letting you near the Catullus: virtual violence is always just virtual violence, but virtual sexual content is...sometimes REAL sexual content.

That's why gratuitous violence in a film makes it an action movie, but gratuitous sex in a film makes it a porn.

.......how is virtual sex real??

You make it sound like porn is inheritly bad.

 

[Ghadente]

Murder Bad, Rape Bad... Games Good.
Nothing in a Game should really be seen as taboo, ITS A GAME. You have to choice not to like it, play it, watch it, etc. but bloody get over it and move on to something that is of actual importance... hmm like maybe focusing on stopping Real rape and murder instead of worrying about a fuckin game! (the final angered comment is not directed at anyone in particular, just towards those whose priorities are screwed up enough to think bickering over game content is worth doing)