Rape versus assault and murder

[fix-the-spade]

but it seems to me like rape is a crime that gets alot more of undeserved emotional response.

I think a lot of the (justififed) extra revulsion for rape is that you can't do it by accident.

You can kill someone without ever trying or even knowing them, all it takes is you taking your eyes off the road for one second.

In a fit of rage it's very easy to beat someone to a pulp or even kill them they're unlucky. But the whole event could be over in a couple of seconds, nobody planned it, before and after there was no malicious intent, just at that precise second in time the attacker lost their self control and went for it.

It only take a second to punch someone but it's still assualt. It happens, people do occasionally go to jail for throwing one (or a few) punch(es), it doesn't always mean the offender is evil.

Rape is different, you can't accidently chase someone down, grab them and stick your dick in them, you can't accidently hold your girlfriend/wife/friend down while she tries to push you away and you can't accidently do it again. It takes more time than a fleeting fit of absolute anger could manage as well, you'd run out of hate before you got there.

By it's nature it's an attack on someone else, a particularly invasive, humiliating attack that sticks around for a long time in a person's mind.

I think the extremely personal and aggressive nature of rape makes it that much worse than even murder and especially assault.

 

[nekolux]

I think the question has already be answered here. Very simply, murder can be justified. Rape cannot. Regardless of the situation the first thought that goes through anybody's mind when they see a headline about a murder victim is usually " What the victim did to deserve it? " There is a part of their mind which considers the possibility of a reason behind the act.

When they look at a news headline on rape. Most people simply think " That's horrible and disgusting. "

As for assault, there is a variation in the degree of harm caused. A HUGE spectrum in fact. So again, the general idea is that people think " How badly was he hurt? " While considering the possibility that it could have just been a few bruises and cuts. While rape is always just rape. It's that constant value of humiliation and suffering.

As for guilt on the female part, i agree that it is simply silly. It's sort of like a social obligation thing, no i'm not kidding when i say that. Like in the case of marriage/divorce. The couple is obligated socially to be happy, to at least try to be happy. It is very much the same here.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Assault and murder are more reasonable outcomes in human society, its simply going to happen frequently now some of it is unreasonable and is dealt with by the full extent of the law. Rape tends to be less frequent and because its more about ones lack of self control or need to feel empowered its worse because there's no rhyme or reason to it other than the whims of the rapist. Habitual raspsit(or rapers *nudge nudge*) need to be killed and and removed from society.

 

[KarumaK]

Because broken bones heal relatively quickly - psychological damage is slightly less inclined to go away.

For me, personally, it's just that I don't have any moral problem with murder.

But you have one with rape? I didn't no you could have moral problems, this has been a learning experience.

SNIP*
Try and justify rape.

Challenge accepted.

My sister has her life destroyed by a devious plot crafted by a former friend(jealous *****). She uses rumors and lies to convince everyone of my sister's evil driving her away from society. The scowls, glares, and insults hurled her way drive my sister insane. After a couple weeks of insanity she kills herself in a terribly painful and disturbing way because she believes she deserves to suffer. Her former friend basks in the attention gained for having been close to such a scumbag and takes pride in the success of her plot.

So I rape her. Do I win?

 

[Haydyn]

It's like making someone choke to death on cake: you take something so pleasing, so beautiful, and so pure, and you twist it to serve a sick purpose.

That's so full of win, I'm going to use it in the next 100 Rape vs Murder threads I see.

Rape is a mix of great physical pain and emotional pain. It's tramatizing, and hard to move on from. We all die someday, but not everyone has to go through rape. And yes, it does have a lot to do with Western beliefs.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Because in America, sex is illegal to even mention, whereas blood guts and gore is just somewhat frowned upon.

Exactamundo. We really are big fuckin hypocrites. Oh wait... I'm European.

Same reason your average Joe Six-pack supports the NRA and the War in Iraq but also wants Sex Ed. to be banned from schools.

Try and justify rape.

You could rape someone to prevent them from murdering someone? I'm sure Hitler wouldn't have had the cojones to do what he did if he had been raped prior. Just putting this out there.

 

[Jedoro]

It's like making someone choke to death on cake: you take something so pleasing, so beautiful, and so pure, and you twist it to serve a sick purpose.

That's so full of win, I'm going to use it in the next 100 Rape vs Murder threads I see.

Rape is a mix of great physical pain and emotional pain. It's tramatizing, and hard to move on from. We all die someday, but not everyone has to go through rape. And yes, it does have a lot to do with Western beliefs.

As long as you add "A wise man once said..." before it, feel free to use it as much as you like

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Because broken bones heal relatively quickly - psychological damage is slightly less inclined to go away.

For me, personally, it's just that I don't have any moral problem with murder.

So a parent beating his child does not do any psychological damage? Interesting.

One could then say that rape could also be something anyone could get over very quickly (which it isn't, unless you do, in which case congratulations).

 

[Shock and Awe]

Because rape is often accompanied by murder, and rape is assault.

 

[Lynx]

It's like making someone choke to death on cake: you take something so pleasing, so beautiful, and so pure, and you twist it to serve a sick purpose.

Precisely.

OT: Forgive me if I cannot explain it properly, but it is perhaps not a logic I can explain to either of you. It is exactly what we've said, an -emotional response-. I would rather take a kick to the face, a kick in the stomach, a beating anywhere really, than rape. I would rather have them electrocute me.


I know someone very dear to me who has been both used by her former husband sexually and raped as a child. She has been severely depressed for many, many years and I would bet both my hands and feet on the sexual assaults being a big part of why. She doesn't react to physical contact as others do - her husband sometimes can't touch her without her feeling trapped, without her remembering, and so she pushes him away instead.


I would recover from being kicked and beaten by a gang of people, eventually I would. Rape cripples you emotionally. It is so much more a humiliation, a way to make someone feel completely worthless. I honestly do not want to see a retort to this post unless it is by someone who has somehow experienced this type of assault themselves (and most victims won't tell - that's why the rest of us will never know.)


Here's what I can tell you:
This woman will never get rid of her scars. They're there every day and she's crippled by it.
I am not saying this applies to every rape victim, I'm saying that it does to some. That's enough for me to be scared shitless.

 

[Lynx]

rape is just forceful sex that happens to people who don't defend themselves.

That is one of the most ignorant comments I've read in my entire life.

 

[Jedoro]

It's like making someone choke to death on cake: you take something so pleasing, so beautiful, and so pure, and you twist it to serve a sick purpose.

Precisely.

OT: Forgive me if I cannot explain it properly, but it is perhaps not a logic I can explain to either of you. It is exactly what we've said, an -emotional response-. I would rather take a kick to the face, a kick in the stomach, a beating anywhere really, than rape. I would rather have them electrocute me.


I know someone very dear to me who has been both used by her former husband sexually and raped as a child. She has been severely depressed for many, many years and I would bet both my hands and feet on the sexual assaults being a big part of why. She doesn't react to physical contact as others do - her husband sometimes can't touch her without her feeling trapped, without her remembering, and so she pushes him away instead.


I would recover from being kicked and beaten by a gang of people, eventually I would. Rape cripples you emotionally. It is so much more a humiliation, a way to make someone feel completely worthless. I honestly do not want to see a retort to this post unless it is by someone who has somehow experienced this type of assault themselves (and most victims won't tell - that's why the rest of us will never know.)


Here's what I can tell you:
This woman will never get rid of her scars. They're there every day and she's crippled by it.
I am not saying this applies to every rape victim, I'm saying that it does to some. That's enough for me to be scared shitless.

It's stories like these that make me desire the insta-death penalty for rapists; they've hurt someone so much, and scarred them for life, and I don't want them to even have the chance to do this to someone else.

I hope someday your friend can recover from her experiences, no one should have to fear intimacy because of the past.

 

[MelziGurl]

No matter what anyone says, Murder is always worse than rape, why?

No amount of therapy/support can help a murder victim, because they are Dead, while as a rape victim can recover from the ordeal through therapy and the right support from their loved ones. (i know, 2 of my best female friends were raped in their teen years.)

I have never been raped and I pray I never do. But if I had a choice, murder me anyday.

 

[magnuslion]

JimmyBassatti:
rape is just forceful sex that happens to people who don't defend themselves.

Wild Cat:
That is one of the most ignorant comments I've read in my entire life.






Agreed ((with Cat))

however, I will argue the point with you about your friend. I was raped multiple times by different people as a child. I was tortured at age 3 ((I dont often show my face on the internet for precisely this reason, because I have scars)). I choose, and still chose, forgiveness, redemption, and mercy over hate and self hate. I am not saying it is easy...its patentley not. but we choose to be ruled by our pasts or we choose not too. I hope your friend finds the peace she needs, and lets go of her hurts.

Shalom.

 

[magnuslion]

Hey folks, stop saying "when a woman gets raped". Men get raped too. It's just massively under reported. It may not occur as often as female rape, but it does exist.

Thank you for that, LadyZephyr

 

[Sigel]

To the people saying murder can be justiable and rape cannot: yes that is very much true, but I'm talking about situations where the murder was not justified. For example a robbery where someone is shot, or someone murdered purely for revenge.

To combine the two - if someone rapes a woman I care about, I will kill them, and damn the law. Justice and revenge are irrevorcably linked, and to think otherwise is moral cowardice of the basest degree.

Yeah, rape isn't as bad as people try to make it out to be. I mean, sure, there's mental anguish from someone holding you down to screw you, but it's probably on the same level as someone holding you down to beat the everloving piss out of you and possibly maiming you/causing brain damage. I would much rather be raped than getting beat retarded.

My god sir, I am truly, truly dumbfounded by your sheer....pig-ignorant stupidity. Imagine being held down, and a man's penis forced into your anus (let's make it sodomy, just so we can all understand). Have you ever had anything stuck up your ass? I have not, but I presume it is entirely unpleasant unless done with care, something very few rapists are bothered with.


Now, imagine lying there, facedown, while your rapist pleasures himself and torments you, for however long, humiliates you, degrades you and uses you as nothing more than an object to pleasure himself! Then, he will ejaculate into you.



If you are not disgusted by this idea, then you have problems.

Rape is a violation of self, mind and body that the victims remembers. 1 in 4 women are raped and a lot of rapes are not reported due to shame and embarrassment, so odds are you know someone who has been raped.

Just a thought Mopbucket, maybe you should not comment on or belittle subjects you have no experience or knowledge about especially on such a delicate topic.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Because kicking someone in the face can at least be validated, or given a reason for. Anger, revenge, Whoops my bad, and so on. There is no valid reason for rape, though. No justification at all that could allow under any circumstances you to force yourself on someone else. No thoughts, no needs, no amount of booze, nothing.

 

[Florion]

if somebody raped/beat me I would be furious even if I DID provoke that person.

I may be wrong, but I think the guilt stems from the fact that most people who get raped know the person who did it to them. There is the dark alley stereotype, and while it does happen, it's not the most common scenario. How would you feel if someone you respected did it? What if you already had a fragile self-image - would you be able to stop yourself from thinking that it happened to you, rather than somebody else, because of who you were?

 

[purplegothchick]

My dad's friend got hit right under the eye with the spiked end of a hammer and had to get reconstructive surgery. Assault is worse, considering how murder usually kills them quickly, assault, they have to deal with forever, and rape is just forceful sex that happens to people who don't defend themselves.

While I'm not saying that your dad's friend's suffering was worth any less than anyone else's, the fact that you view rape in the way you have stated above makes me severely wish that you are never raped. It is certainly NOT a case of people not defending themselves, it is usually a case of them not being able to defend themselves.

The perpetrators of rape are usually much stronger than their intended victims, or they drug them so that they are not capable of resistance. It is not about sex, it's about power and it is an act of sexual violence, in the same way that your dad's friend being hit beneath the eye was an act of violence.