Rare needs to get back with Nintendo

[shatnershaman]

Besides, what did they copy enemies in an FPS that are taller than skyscrapers from? (alright, alright, fine, Painkiller).

Duel wield? cough Marathon cough
Halo 2 style health.

 

[stompy]

Let's not go into a console war people, this is about Rare, not the Xbox 360 and PS3.

I've heard nothing but good things about GoldenEye. I really have to try it out sometime. As for Rare, like a few people have said, it doesn't seem to me the console is the fault, more like the only good devs there left and formed their own company.

 

[Satki]

Rare aren't just screwing up their own games... they're the ones behind the new 360 avatars, an idea that should have been put to death before it saw the light of day. I mean, what the hell were microsoft/rare thinking? Did they do any consumer research before announcing it? I hardly think a cutesy mii-esque thing is going to gel with the average Halo 3/Gears or COD4 player, to say the least.
Got a bit sidetracked there...

 

[shatnershaman]

Rare WAS and IS a good developer I don't see what the problem is.

 

[shatnershaman]

Rare WAS and IS a good developer I don't see what the problem is.

The problem is that Microsoft seem to have this problem with driving their games in the wrong direction. I'll give you my practical example. Conkers Bad Fur Day started its days in the womb as yet another cutesy platformer. Someone made those remarks to Rare at the time. Instead of ignoring them, Rare changed the entire game as a "fuck you" to everyone who dared question them.

The game received praise for being so far off the beaten track, so outside of convention. Up to that point nearly all platformers had been that family friendly atmosphere, and Conker turned that all on its head. The game also made certain to set itself up for a sequel.

By contrast, Live and Reloaded took a level that was made as a parody of other games (FPSs of the day), decided that it was the best aspect, and decided to make it the focal point. The juxtaposition was booted out, as all the cutesy anthropomorphic characters were bleached gun metal grey and clothed in armor.

Now, Live and Reloaded was a ok game, I enjoyed some of the time I played with it. But it shouldn't have been a damn Conker sequel. It should have been an entirely new game, and had nothing to do with the game that had chosen to mock the entire industry.

The same is happening with Banjo Kazooie now - it feels wrong that they're doing this. In the same way that people had issue with Goldeneye Rogue Agent using the name Goldeneye

-Don't buy their games then.
-Others say their in the right direction.
-Its their games not yours.
-I like saying "their".

 

[The Wooster]

I wouldn't get your hopes up. They've abandonded most of the new moves they made in Banjo Tooie, and replaced it with vehicle building. As a fan of the originals, i do not see this change as a good thing.

Indeed. You would have thought they'd have figured out by now that Nintendo fans hate change.

 

[shatnershaman]

I wouldn't get your hopes up. They've abandonded most of the new moves they made in Banjo Tooie, and replaced it with vehicle building. As a fan of the originals, i do not see this change as a good thing.

Indeed. You would have thought they'd have figured out by now that Nintendo fans hate change.

Don't forget us nit picky Halo fans (Valhalla isn't Blood Gulch!)

 

[The Wooster]

I wouldn't get your hopes up. They've abandonded most of the new moves they made in Banjo Tooie, and replaced it with vehicle building. As a fan of the originals, i do not see this change as a good thing.

Indeed. You would have thought they'd have figured out by now that Nintendo fans hate change.

Don't forget us nit picky Halo fans (Valhalla isn't Blood Gulch!)

You're not as bad as Nintendo fans. Sure bitching about minute changes in the battlerifle's reloading time is a bad sign and when you look at them closely, not much has changed between each iteration of the Halo franchise but at least you haven't been playing the same god damn game for the last 10 years.

 

[shatnershaman]

You're not as bad as Nintendo fans. Sure bitching about minute changes in the battlerifle's reloading time is a bad sign and when you look at them closely, not much has changed between each iteration of the Halo franchise but at least you haven't been playing the same god damn game for the last 10 years.

Nah its been the same darn game getting worse. (Oh Mario 64 thy children hath "sucked")

EDIT: that reload is fucking slow in Halo 3 because of no melee speed up.

 

[shatnershaman]

There is a difference between change and improvement.

How can you have one without the other?

 

[The Wooster]

You're not as bad as Nintendo fans. Sure bitching about minute changes in the battlerifle's reloading time is a bad sign and when you look at them closely, not much has changed between each iteration of the Halo franchise but at least you haven't been playing the same god damn game for the last 10 years.

Nah its been the same darn game getting worse. (Oh Mario 64 thy children hath "sucked")

EDIT: that reload is fucking slow in Halo 3 because of no melee speed up.

Mario isn't so bad. They at least tried to throw some new shit into each game. Galaxy did it fairly well. No Legend of Zelda is the worst offender.

 

[shatnershaman]

There is a difference between change and improvement.

How can you have one without the other?

By the change making the game worse. Change without improvement.

Now that's opinion. And if we are going by what we see in trailers/gameplay footage not the actually game then Killzone 2 E3 2005 is real and Lair is awesome. Maybe vehicles will be a good addition give the game a chance.

 

[shatnershaman]

Mario isn't so bad. They at least tried to throw some new shit into each game. Galaxy did it fairly well. No Legend of Zelda is the worst offender.

Still Mario 64 is the best of 3D marios (don't forget the shit of Sunshine on the cube) I can't really judge Zelda since I don't like anything about any of the games (even the title is messed up it should be Link not Zelda)

 

[The Wooster]

Mario isn't so bad. They at least tried to throw some new shit into each game. Galaxy did it fairly well. No Legend of Zelda is the worst offender.

Still Mario 64 is the best of 3D marios (don't forget the shit of Sunshine on the cube) I can't really judge Zelda since I don't like anything about any of the games (even the title is messed up it should be Link not Zelda)

I think aside from the shitty story bits Galaxy was better than 64. That being said it'll never affect me the way 64 did the first time i fired it up.

 

[shatnershaman]

I think aside from the shitty story bits Galaxy was better than 64.

That and the controller killed it for me. (And I prefer 64's levels.)