Rare needs to get back with Nintendo

[Colonel Sanders]

I'm pretty sure they all sell more games than consoles, man.

I don't really want to argue, but, every month the Wii sells 600,000+ consoles and their highest game sold normally barely breaches the 100,000 mark with a few exceptions for Nintendo staple series. I could be wrong but I doubt it.

 

[Stammer]

With exception of the Gamecube, Nintendo pretty much kicked everyone else's ass in terms of the console wars for everything. Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, Nindendo DS, and now even the Wii. I could see why Rare would have left Nintendo in the previous generation, but I think they should come back now.

 

[Rob Sharona]

Alright, fine. But if they screw this up I have a legitimate right to hate the 360.

I want Rare to go back to its peak, which happens to have been with Nintendo.

Agreed. It's not that Rare are producing rubbish games, far from it. It's just they aren't producing the near perfect gaming experiences they used to. The current state of Rare certainly isn't problem, it's just a little bit of a shame.

 

[Rob Sharona]

Rare probably relised that investing in it is 2nd to throwing you cash off the bridge in the list of dumbest thing to do

Incorrect, Microsoft simply offered Rare a better deal than Nintendo were prepared to offer and they took it. Shame on you Nintendo.

 

[plastic_window]

The revamped conker doesn't really count as a new Rare title since it's little more than a touch-up job and some new lines here and there. I am a big fan of Viva Pinata, though I can't help but feel that it may fall pray to "Pokemon Syndrome" and instead of adding new gameplay features, just carry on making new creatures instead.

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Rare's move to 360 could have been for an environment where they were allowed to push the hardware graphically and in terms of scope; Nuts and Bolts looks beautiful and is touted as a very large game with a great amount of room in it that would perhaps be restricted on the Wii. Amongst other things, the Wii's motion controls simply aren't necessary for many of Rare's current line-up of games, perhaps it is seen as more of a complication to work around. Though, at the end of the day, I suppose it's more to do with Microsoft being the big company with the big bucks, so any discussions of console advantages are reserved for the fanboys such as myself.

 

[Littaly]

Yes yes yes! I have no idea how it could go so wrong! DK64, Banjo, Get Force Gemini i grew up with those games (okay, i never grew up but you get the point)! Such magic! Why did Rareware turn into shit after going to Microsoft, they should go back to Nintendo, for the good of gaming!

 

[jebussaves88]

I loved the old Banjo games, and I own a 360. If Rare pull it off, Nuts and Bolts could be the dogs nuts... and bolts

Plus, considering the 360 was untrodden at that point, I think Perfect Dark Zero was alright. Nice graphics and certainly complelling enough to finish it. Was never a huge fan of the original, but hey, I suppose thats personal taste. I would say Banjo was better than Mario 64, but then again, Banjo wouldn't have existed without SM64. The little red long-john wearing tit did us a favour there.

Another thing I will say for Rare is that they haven't milked their characters. They only use them again when the time is right.

 

[Wolfdale]

To be honest, I don't remember many of Rare's titles, but the one that I'll never forget is GoldenEye. As a teenager, staying up 'til 4am with three buddies, throwing Remote Mines at each other and planting them in little traps all over the Facility level in DeathMatch... Oh, those were the days.

 

[The Wooster]

Rare's current lineup can't compete against stuff like goldeneye because of the giant rose tinted glasses that are nostalgia.

 

[Tonimata]

I still remember the sweet days of Donkey Kong 64. And I'll never forget them. I do agree, they should go back with Nintendo. Now.

 

[The Wooster]

Rare's current lineup can't compete against stuff like goldeneye because of the giant rose tinted glasses that are nostalgia.

Dude, theres a reason why its universally called one of the best FPS's ever, and it isn't Nostalgia. Hell, I never owned a copy, and I still felt that it was enormously fun to turn on the paintabll and bighead cheats on a friends copy at their place, start in the cavern level, and just blast them away.

Don't get me wrong. It's a fantastic and very influential game. But even if Rare pulled off a shooter that was every bit as good as goldeneye if not better it still wouldn't be recognized as such.

 

[Wolfdale]

Rare's current lineup can't compete against stuff like goldeneye because of the giant rose tinted glasses that are nostalgia.

Dude, theres a reason why its universally called one of the best FPS's ever, and it isn't Nostalgia. Hell, I never owned a copy, and I still felt that it was enormously fun to turn on the paintabll and bighead cheats on a friends copy at their place, start in the cavern level, and just blast them away.

Don't get me wrong. It's a fantastic and very influential game. But even if Rare pulled off a shooter that was every bit as good as goldeneye if not better it still wouldn't be recognized as such.

I'll agree with this statement, kinda, but imagine if they just remade EXACTLY the same game, just adding ragdoll, and better graphics with normal mapping, blah blah blah. Chances are its sales would be ridiculous as all hell. But if it had a different title, or a slightly different set of maps (single or multi-player), it wouldn't sell anywhere near as much.

 

[Woe Is You]

With exception of the Gamecube, Nintendo pretty much kicked everyone else's ass in terms of the console wars for everything. Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, Nindendo DS, and now even the Wii. I could see why Rare would have left Nintendo in the previous generation, but I think they should come back now.

The N64 is a hugely overrated console. Despite the fact that it was the most powerful console of the time, all of its good games could be counted with one hand (Mario 64, Zelda OoT & MM, Goldeneye and Banjos) compared to the dozens upon dozens of highly acclaimed games that were on the PS1 (Final Fantasies, Tekkens, Soul Edge, MGS to name a few). Heck, a lot of the games on the N64 even looked worse than the offerings of the PS1 due to stuff being really blocky and one-colored. It's actually only this generation that Nintendo finally realized they need to get a grip and try something new since all they'd been doing is rehashing the same ol' stuff since the SNES.

That aside, I thought Nintendo gladly sold Rare to Microsoft because they hadn't been producing anything worthwhile for an entire generation. They've been getting their groove back slowly, though, and I'm cautiously optimistic about Banjo 3. Viva Piñata was a good, solid game and I did play through Kameo twice so that's a worthwhile play too (although it didn't quite deliver on everything it promised, I admit).

 

[Stammer]

The N64 is a hugely overrated console. Despite the fact that it was the most powerful console of the time, all of its good games could be counted with one hand (Mario 64, Zelda OoT & MM, Goldeneye and Banjos) compared to the dozens upon dozens of highly acclaimed games that were on the PS1 (Final Fantasies, Tekkens, Soul Edge, MGS to name a few). Heck, a lot of the games on the N64 even looked worse than the offerings of the PS1 due to stuff being really blocky and one-colored. It's actually only this generation that Nintendo finally realized they need to get a grip and try something new since all they'd been doing is rehashing the same ol' stuff since the SNES.

I think you have it the other way around. You're saying the N64 was more powerful than the PSX and had less fun games. However, it's the exact opposite way around. The PSX, with games on a disc, were far superior in technology to the N64. However, everyone who's ever owned an N64 either still pulls it out from time to time to play some of their old games, or regrets to no end to selling it.

Also, if you think the Wii is any different in terms of games than their other systems, you've got it all wrong. The Wii's doing the same re-hashing as every other one of their systems so far. But that seems to work seeing as it's kicking the other two systems' asses in sales.

 

[shatnershaman]

I think you have it the other way around. You're saying the N64 was more powerful than the PSX and had less fun games. However, it's the exact opposite way around. The PSX, with games on a disc, were far superior in technology to the N64. However, everyone who's ever owned an N64 either still pulls it out from time to time to play some of their old games, or regrets to no end to selling it.

Um I think he meant the hardware not format.

PS1
CPU: 32-bit RISC (33.9MHz)
RAM: 2MB, 1MB Video RAM
Graphics: 3D Geometry Engine, with 2D rotation, scaling, transparency and fading and 3D texture mapping and shading
Colors: 16.7 million
Sprites: 4,000
Polygons: 360,000 per second
Resolution: 640x480
Sound: 16-bit 24 channel PCM
N64
CPU: 64-bit R4300i RISC (93.75MHz) / 64-bit data paths, registers with 5-stage pipelining
Co-processor: 64-bit RISC (62.5MHz)
RAM: 4MB (36Mb) upgradeable
Graphics: Pixel Drawing Processor (RDP) built into co-processor
Colors: 16.7 million (32,000 on screen)
Polygons: 150,000 per second
Resolution: 640x480 pixels
Sound: 16 to 24-channel 16-bit stereo (up to 100 PCM channels possible)

I own a N64 but I don't pull it out I use emulators.