Demented Teddy said:
Angryman101 said:
Demented Teddy said:
Angryman101 said:
Demented Teddy said:
We're nothing alike, though. I fight for me and mine, I could care less about society and government, except when it starts infringing upon my personal freedoms. Then it's time to revolt.
I'm unsure if you're mocking me when you say that I understand where you're coming from. Untrained populaces have a tendency to be an incredibly destructive force, especially in modern times when governments can be demonized world-wide for the deaths of civilians. Once an organized revolt is formed, enemies of the country can openly aggrieve the state in the name of the revolutionaries due to the unfavorable policies of the demonized government. People the world over will support the destruction of this government, and more and more power and funding will pour into the revolution. It would have a fair chance of working with the proper support of both the foreign state's/states' coffers and military training and the inevitable defectors coming from the authoritarian government's army.
Yes, the internet and world wide media is a powerful tool of the bleeding hearts isn't it?
There are many around those problems that you listed.
Removing key opponents to the state
silently for one.
I can't think of a way to properly word the other ways at the moment.
Also see the problem with people like you?
You don't care about humanity, you don't care about the good of your nation, you don't care about society!
All you care about is yourself and it sickens me.
I care about my freedom, and the freedom of others. Why should I lay down and let someone else control my life? For peace? For a better society? Fuck that. Peace and stability is not worth giving up your personal freedoms. I don't care about the state, and I don't care about society, but, as previously stated, I care about other people. Possibly getting them killed is far and away the better option to letting them become permanent indentured servants to the government.
I realize there are a lot of holes to that theory, but I'm generalizing to the extreme. There are a number of ways to take down the government. That's only one of them.
Yeah, I'm sure democratic governments don't indoctranate their populations at all.
I mean those freedom songs, democratic posters you find in schools, glorification of democracy and all that stuff has not influenced your opinion of things at all......
Hmph.
A population should be one.
The state is their for it's citizens, it's citizens should be there for the state.
They both aid eachother.
A nation under control will have no scumbags going around beating the shit out of people for petty reasons, there will be no hate groups like the KKK or The Westborugh Baptist Church, organised crime could be attacked directly instead of all that "by the book" bullshit, corporations can be made to work according to the states directive, we will be able to advance far more effectively.
A nation under control is what is best.
State run public schools have truly failed us, and I thank God every day that i have had the blessing to attend private schools. You my good friend, or at least mild acquaintance, have obviously never studied history, if you had you would know what you are advocating has never been successful on a scale larger then 50 people. Communistic Utopian societies have had a very poor history, every attempt to create one began as a noble project to better all man kind, and worked;until more people came and then it gave way to collapse or, worse, corruption and tyranny.
I have no doubts that you are a good man, wishing only to do what would be best, however you are not doing what is the best but what is the worst, and you are completely and totally wrong. what you want to do is sacrifice you FREEDOM your WILL your RIGHTS your LIFE in order to feel secure, and i will tell you this, you would be very safe and so would everyone else, because lords do not kill there serfs. And that is what you would be a serf, a slave who is allowed to keep some of what they earn.
Indoctrination and history are 2 different things, one is a lie the other is the study of the past and where we came from and where others came from. The songs i am sure you are referring to as "those freedom songs" are a part of our (the USA's) history, they were written then and there and are a prized national treasure.
A "Nation under Control" is not what is best, a nation that keeps order is. The government should be the people, and should be controlled by the people for the freedom of the people. From the principal of subsidiarity one should know that it is the individuals job to look out for "me and mine" and the government is there to look out for the individuals together as one. If one cares first about the well being of all others than one will not help themselves and could never hope to help society in any way. In many ways by looking out for yourself and others you are helping society, because the individual is part of society. The government should never interfere in the legitimate workings of families and individuals.
From the principal of solidarity(brotherhood), one should understand that while you need to provide for your family, you must also help others whenever you can. One should not help the nation as a whole, but there neighbors, their friends, people they know their "own", in any way they can. and by doing this they are doing what you want them to do and helping society. This is all only possible when the government does not get involved, and serves only as to protect the citizens from outside threats and police internal threats; which are then treated by the book and every case no matter how evil the offense should be tried by a jury (of peers) and then sentenced, again by the book, by a judge. The government also needs to come from the pepole in some form, whether it is by simple acceptance of just rule or direct election, does not matter but the pepole then have a duty to police the government, they are there to protect each other, the government protects the pepole from external and internal threats, and the pepole protect the government form becoming a tyranny(think of an authoritarian state as a disease which prevents the government from working. Hence the government is there solely to protect pepole and their rights so that we can live to the fullest potential and have everything we need to seek the truth, and do what is good.
It all starts not from the government but from the pepole. If a government were to EVER become tyrannical then it would not only be morally just to disobey it, but morally Required because acceptance in itself would be immoral. To quote Ben Franklin "One who gives up their freedom for security, deserves neither freedom or security"
I am aware that this argument is not complete but i generalized a great deal and did not get to specific, although it is a bit more then normal for a post, this is still not a complete argument. One could write a book, and pepole have, explaining why you are wrong. I do not hold any false sense that you thing your self to be either high and mighty nor evil, you think what you are saying is what is best for everyone and is what is truly good. however what you are saying is not good in any way and is most certainly evil, and one should never stand for that, and one should always try to explain why something is wrong to those who believe it. Demented Teddy i am sure you are a good person with good intent, but what you are advocating is evil and could never be good,
TL;DR Demented Teddy is a good person, most likely a very very very good person who only wants to do what is right and should be spoken very highly of for that. However what she is advocating (State Rule or Totalitarianism)is wrong and evil.
To clarify if you missed this i think Demented Teddy is a good person, i am not attacking her, but what she advocates is not in any way good.
Again i think you are good person Demented Teddy.
