Regarding Santa Claus [NO KIDS ALLOWED]

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JasonKaotic

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Habit, I suppose. I would just go around telling every kid the truth, but it would probably result in me being pelted with darts by parents.

No need to take it that seriously though. What I just said was joking, in case anyone couldn't tell.
 

imnot

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Because kids enjoy it I guess.
The easter bunny though, did anyone actually belive that? I mean Santa, sure a jolly old guy I can belive that, the easter bunny? a rabbit who delivers chocolate eggs, presumably because he has nothing better to do before he grows old and dies of miximostosis.

Wow Im really cynical lateley!

The Virgo said:

My dad hated this because "it was mean to do that because Christmas is such a special time to them, blah, blah, blah ..." Sometimes I really hate his bleeding heart. -_-'
About 4 mins in, that boy was upset because he got a my little pony! ALL BOYS WANT MY LITTLE PONIES DAMMIT!
 

dave1004

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My parents aren't religious, and we've never actually celebrated Christmas. We give gifts all year around, so...It's kinda pointless. The main thing is, I like seeing kids when they think that Santa is coming. They break out in a big grin, and everyone's happy. They have something to look forwards to, so they stay on their best behavior, which is great for both parents and siblings alike.

Although, yes, Santa is scary as hell. Dude breaks in, eats your food, AND dumps presents off? Brr. I was always confused as a kid, because my friends would all be talking about how "Santa is coming to town", and I'd be all "Lolwut? Santa isn't real", and then get spanked by the teacher. (Seriously, crazy lady used a ruler. Hurt like hell...She hated me, because I hated her french class, and I would just sit in the back all day, reading novels. note that I was about nine at the time, so she always believed that I wasn't actually reading that Stephen King or Dragonlance...Heh. What a prick.)
 

ToastiestZombie

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The Virgo said:
So basically you are saying you are fine with kids christmases being ruined being laughed at because "Santa is a lie!". Then say that your dad has a bleeding heart because he actually feels for those kids? Personally I really don't think people who don't have children, are not a child, hate children and don't want children should be saying that the most magical thing a children has is bullshit because you think they should have the cold hard truth?

I would love to make you watch the difference between the reactions of a kid being told that santa brought their presents or being told that "A bunch of poor people in china made this and then I went out to the store and fought with other parents for a toy that will probably be in the bin next week!". You sir should not be talking about what children can and can't believe in. Santa is one of the most magical and whimsical things a child has and taking it away would be f'ing devastating for a child.
 

Olivia Faraday

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I'm not having kids because I don't have any interest in devoting eighteen years of my life to taking care of them. That's a level of commitment that I just am not interested in. I'll borrow my sister's and spoil them rotten, instead. Best of both worlds. That said, if I did, I probably wouldn't tell them there's a Santa Claus until I was old enough to see if their personalities would enjoy the myth or not.

Don't get me wrong. I love magic. I'm a 26 year old woman and my room is decorated with unicorns. But not every child is the right fit for the Santa myth.

Personally, as a kid, I didn't like Santa! He didn't creep me out or anything. There was just something about him that seemed wrong to me. It didn't make sense that he did all those houses a night, and how could he eat 12 billion cookies without getting sick? What made reindeer fly? What distinguished the arbitrary difference between good and bad girls and boys? Nobody could provide any satisfactory answers and always seemed annoyed that I was asking the questions. Christmas became frustrating for me as I felt myself constantly being pushed to stop asking questions, which was a part of my personality.

I got more and more resentment for Santa because of how I wasn't allowed to question his authority, until I started running experiments. I tried to see if I could trip Santa up. When I went to sit on his lap at the mall, I asked him for a bunch of stuff I had no interest in. I gave Santa one list and my parents another. When none of the gifts I'd asked Santa for showed up, and all the gifts I'd asked my parents for had, my theory was proven true!

I confronted them about it. I was so mad at them. Why hadn't they just told me? Did they think I was dumb? It was a whole big blowup. I was about five and a half at the time.

I'm not still upset about it, obviously, that would be dumb. It definitely wasn't traumatic. But I never got enjoyment from the Santa myth, and it spoiled a couple Christmases for me. I still wish that my parents had just told me the gifts were from them. I love getting gifts and love my parents, and knowing that my gift was especially picked out for me by someone I love so much was worth a thousand times more for me than getting them from a magical stranger who judged me all year. I'm really glad I found out about Santa so young. I wish I'd found out younger. I wish we could have just skipped the whole dumb thing.

But my sister, oh, my sister. She believed in Santa until she was twelve, and even then clung on desperately for another year hoping she could stay in the magic. She loved Santa Claus, everything about him. She made the cookies almost entirely herself from the time she was seven on. She was devastated when she finally admitted he wasn't real, though she doesn't hold it against anybody either. She'd never change the fact that she believed in him for so long, and I'd never take it away from her.

A baby doesn't understand Santa, so there's no point starting it that young. By the time they're three-ish and able to form real memories and concepts, I think you'd be able to tell who they are. Do they ask a lot of questions? Are they satisfied with simple explanations? Do they point out the inaccuracies of your claims? Or are they more accepting, with a more childishly simple curiousity? Are they gullible? Are they skeptical? Not every child is the same, and one magic spell doesn't fit all.


TL;DR: my point is that Santa is a good fit for some kids and not others. I don't think parents should just assume the right choice is the myth. Wait until your kid is old enough to get it, and for you to get them, and then make a choice based on their personalities. I wish I could have gone without Santa. My sister wishes she could still have him. Children are different sorts of people just like adults.
 

PureChaos

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really it's emotional blackmail to get kids to behave, i've seen kids get really upset because their parents have told them Santa won't be visiting them because they are misbehaving. maybe that's just bad parenting. plus, kids are told they are safe at home but one a year some random bloke goes into their room at night while their asleep? that's horrifying
 

Alexander

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Parents:
Seeing your kids happy is fun
upholding the "Santa conspiracy" is fun
=> Santa Claus: fun for the whole family

Companies:
Sales are bleh
Santa Claus temporarily raises sales
=> Santa Claus: good for business

Kids:
Presents!
Presents!
=> Presents! Presents! Presents! Presents! (yes, presents stack exponentially)

I don't think there is more to it then that. I certainly didn't go through the year thinking "Oh no, if I'm naughty Santa won't bring be stuff." In fact I mostly forgot about Santa except around Christmas time. You will never not give your kid Christmas presents because he has been naughty at one point during the year.
 

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Christmas was always more fun when I believed in Santa because my parents put so much extra effort into getting me good gifts and sneaking them under the tree when I was sleeping. Ever since I found out all they've given me is money every year and while I still appreciate that, it's not as fun as it used to be.
 

Z of the Na'vi

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Hey, I didnt say everyone here is one of them, I just said there were a lot. No generalization there dude. I know most of you are cool guys and gals.
Well, I'll give you that. Especially in recent years. You're cool, I respect that.

In regards to what I said earlier, take everything The Virgo says with a massive heaping of salt. His father never hugged him as a child. I haven't forgotten the thread he created (or at least was a major part of) in which we were told to define what makes us happy in life and he shot down each and every person's response with his incredibly emo outlook on life.

Trust me, you'll feel much better off knowing and treating him like the professional troll he is. Truly.

[sub]This is one reason I normally stay out of Off-Topic. Nothing's happening in Gaming Discussion today, though. Sadface.[/sub]

OT: I'm 21 and I like to believe in the Spirit of Christmas, as opposed to its true meaning. There's nothing wrong with forgetting what a shit-tastic world this is for one month out of the year, and just enjoying it. Nothing wrong at all.
 
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The Virgo said:
Regarding Santa Claus ... why do people do it? Why do people, year after year, bullshit their kids into believing that there is Santa? Why do that?
Kids love it and parents love making their kids happy so I see no reason why not to do it.

The Virgo said:
The word you are looking for is "Realist".
Okay, so as a realist you think Santa is a method of scaring kids into being good over a few weeks rather than a bit of fun? This is the second time I've had to wonder if I should burst into laughter or pity you.

Also, if we're going into social bullshit then it's important for kids to have an active imagination. Magic, Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Dragons etc all have an impact on childhood development. Santa happens to be a big one for happiness and imagination.
 

Olivia Faraday

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Z of the Na said:
OT: I'm 21 and I like to believe in the Spirit of Christmas, as opposed to its true meaning. There's nothing wrong with forgetting what a shit-tastic world this is for one month out of the year, and just enjoying it. Nothing wrong at all.
You can enjoy the Spirit of Christmas without being a Santa lover.

I love Christmas more than anybody I know. My mother always says that I turn into an eight year old for the entire month of December. I check the weather every day hoping for snow. I live alone, but have always decorated my apartment like a grandfather with 20 grandchildren decorates his house. I spend four times more what I can afford just so I can see everybody smile at their gifts (and I love getting as much as I love giving!)

My uncle has terminal cancer and is living with my parents. I've moved back in to help her take care of him. He's never had any love for Christmas, but this year he says that he got 100% into it just because my energy was so infectious.

I love Christmas. Christmas is better than fresh Subway subs, a brand new book that's never been opened, the moment when you finish a new game that you know is going into your revised top 10.

I just don't like Santa and never have, and there are plenty other people like me out there.

Is that not okay?
 

Z of the Na'vi

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Olivia Faraday said:
Is that not okay?
That is okay. In fact that is more than okay. You should be very proud for what you do for your family and friends. What I meant was more along the lines of just displacing what cynical feelings and burdens that one may have during the season, in order to fully enjoy it, as you have so described. I know Santa is just a story to tell children.

...and when I figured this out, I didn't hilariously bottle it down inside and let it boil for who knows how long, like The Virgo here. That's ridiculous.

I simply kept the Spirit of Christmas alive inside of me, to come back once a year, much like you do.

Believe me buddy, I am on your side.
 

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Two things:

1. I think that the lie is still propagated because the economy loves it. If it makes money why eliminate it.

2. Personally, I won't lie to my kids. I think the whole Santa thing goes against Christmas spirit at this point. Also, if I'm not very successful financially I really don't want my children thinking that Santa plays favourites just because the better gifts get given to the children of families with more money.
 

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DeadFOAM said:
AhumbleKnight said:
DeadFOAM said:
OT: It's harmless fun. The OP is still surly about a little white lie. Can we just move on and let kids be kids?
Why do we need Santa for kids to be kids. Kids have awesome imaginations and create their own interesting fun games every day. They don't need their parents to lie to them for that to happen.
I was unaware that belief in Santa was the sole criteria for kids to be kids.

What parent tells their kid everything? Are you saying that kids should be told where babies come from immediately? Will kids be told that a large percentage of the world is in turmoil? Pain, murder, and rape are common?

Santa is a part of childhood. It's a magical and joyous thing that brings happiness to many kids. Life is hard enough.
You completely ignored the point I was trying to make. Then you made a large illogical jump and ask if I think we should tell kids about everything immediately...
I talk about lieing to kids being an undesirable thing. That is all. But hey, I will answer you stupid, off topic question. You tell kids about the truths (both harsh and wonderful) when they are old enough to ask. You also use your judgement to determine how much depth you will go into when explaining said fact of life.
 

The Virgo

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Z of the Na said:
In regards to what I said earlier, take everything The Virgo says with a massive heaping of salt. His father never hugged him as a child. I haven't forgotten the thread he created (or at least was a major part of) in which we were told to define what makes us happy in life and he shot down each and every person's response with his incredibly emo outlook on life.
Firstly, my father and I actually get along really great. My mother, on the other hand, is a monster *****.

And secondly, I believe you are highly wrong about "thread he created (or at least was a major part of) in which we were told to define what makes us happy in life and he shot down each and every person's response with his incredibly emo outlook on life." I want to see which thread that was that I supposedly created. And if I did create it, I bet you that you'll see that I didn't do it to everybody, maybe just one or two, at the most.

Go on. Find that thread. I call your bluff.
 

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Olivia Faraday said:
I'm not having kids because I don't have any interest in devoting eighteen years of my life to taking care of them. That's a level of commitment that I just am not interested in. I'll borrow my sister's and spoil them rotten, instead. Best of both worlds.
You sound like me. I'm never going to have kids of my own, but if my sister does, their Uncle Rohan is probably going to wind up giving them a couple of hundred games on Steam by the time they're ten.

That said, if I did, I probably wouldn't tell them there's a Santa Claus until I was old enough to see if their personalities would enjoy the myth or not.
I think I'd probably tell them the story, but add the disclaimer that it's still just a story. Maybe offer to let them do what I did and play Santa for the family. That was fun. I'd shut myself in my room the day before Christmas with the wrapping paper, sticky tape, a pair of scissors, and everyone's presents, wrap them up, then put them under the tree that evening before bed. Sure, it meant no surprises for me, and I knew what everyone was getting, but it was still fun for me at the time. As I got older, I ended up abandoning the pre-printed paper for plain paper and drawing on it myself. I still do that on the rare occasions when I wrap gifts for other people.

Don't get me wrong. I love magic. I'm a 26 year old woman and my room is decorated with unicorns.
I don't suppose they're purple and named Twilight, are they?

Okay, in all seriousness, I basically grew up on science fiction and science non-fiction, but I don't think it killed any love for magic, considering my first dabblings in writing fan fiction were for Harry Potter universe variants, and more recently, My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic.

Personally, as a kid, I didn't like Santa! He didn't creep me out or anything. There was just something about him that seemed wrong to me. It didn't make sense that he did all those houses a night, and how could he eat 12 billion cookies without getting sick? What made reindeer fly? What distinguished the arbitrary difference between good and bad girls and boys? Nobody could provide any satisfactory answers and always seemed annoyed that I was asking the questions. Christmas became frustrating for me as I felt myself constantly being pushed to stop asking questions, which was a part of my personality.

I got more and more resentment for Santa because of how I wasn't allowed to question his authority, until I started running experiments. I tried to see if I could trip Santa up. When I went to sit on his lap at the mall, I asked him for a bunch of stuff I had no interest in. I gave Santa one list and my parents another. When none of the gifts I'd asked Santa for showed up, and all the gifts I'd asked my parents for had, my theory was proven true!

I confronted them about it. I was so mad at them. Why hadn't they just told me? Did they think I was dumb? It was a whole big blowup. I was about five and a half at the time.
You, madam, were a model kid. Applying the scientific method at age five? That's brilliant. We need more kids like you.