Religion clashes with Laws

[Durahan2]

I just hope that none of you, that think this is horrible, are against gay marrage. That would make you all hypocrites ;p. Being an atheist shows that plenty of laws have religious backgrounds. Heck if you want to go even father into it, creationism is an affront to the seperation of church and state too, so if you vote for that... heh.

 

[Agayek]

Multiple benefits, a poligamist could have 4 unemployed wives and children milking the government while none of them lifts a finger.

That's more the welfare laws being retarded than any fault with polygamy itself.

 

[bodyklok]

well religion shouldn't come into it since there's a seperation between church and state. The case should just go by law and nothing else

This, so very much this.

 

[jasoncyrus]

Exactly. normally lawyers JUMP aty the chance to screw religion over. Strange lawyer her client went to in the first place.

Personally I'd quite like to ban religion from the judicial system all together, keep it as cold hard logic.

well that would be a problem in england and the us (and maybe other places) what do people swear on in a court?

Their assests, with the consequence of having them removed if they were found to be lieing. The bible is just a book of fiction anyway, you might aswell swear on a harry potter novel.

 

[Chibz]

I'm completely against the genital mutilation of women, but male circumcision isn't even remotely the same thing and I cannot see why it would be labeled as 'wrong'. Recent studies have actually shown the health benefits of a circumcised penis. Unnecessary? Maybe if you aren't Jewish. But I certainly wouldn't call it wrong.
I suppose that could just be a difference of opinion, however.

Actually, those sorts of studies are constantly in the state of being set up by corrupt medical researchers and subsequently proven wrong. They are currently on what? Eighth excuse? Which is: AIDS prevention. And that is currently on it's way out the door as a valid point.

A pair of old gems? Curing masturbation, cancer prevention. That's right.

They brought it back from it's thousand year slumber to cure... a normal part of a boy's sexual development. Nothing wrong with THAT. No sir.

Also, it is a clear and irrefutable violation of human rights.

 

[DemonI81]

The law can not touch a recognized religion. Separation of church and state. Honestly, the woman should be grateful that she is able to get a divorce, I'm sure in their home country she wouldn't be able to.
Get the divorce and run, you can't punish someone for the way they were brought up and the religious beliefs they were taught as children... no matter how wrong you or I feel it is.
NOT beating women is something I was raised to believe in. If I went to a Muslim country and they tried to punish me for not beating my wife, would you say they should?
People need to realize that different religious/cultures have their own beliefs and morals. The reason America is so hated is because of all the people here that feel we can force our beliefs and morals on the rest of the world, and that's pretty messed up.

 

[IamSARAhearMYgrr]

Actually the Qu'ran never says "it's okay to beat your wife" but it is accepted in most middle-eastern countries as they believe that the woman is inferior to the man. Now let me tell you all something. I don't care where you are, they moved to America for a reason and I don't care what it is... but if you move to a country you should probably research the laws a little bit first, and wherever you are it is NOT okay to beat your wife. It is not something that is okay to do (unless she askes for it because some women like that). It's the basic rule we're all taught when we're young: treat others as you would like to be treated. If the woman was okay with the beating then it would be a different story, but obviously she's not alright with it.

 

[confernal]

Both the law and religion are flawed so we should simply fall into the realm of meaningless redundant functions, follow the rule of delayed convince and use half truths for obviously self purposed goals that we as an egotistical individuals have... Wait a sec, Doh!

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

It horrifying to me how religion, all religion, not just Islam, seems to get a free ride away from critism, because it's faith based.

The shit that has children being forced to marry adult men? That's wrong, I don't care what your religion says.

Those horrifying exorcism camps that Christian groups here in Australia run? So, so wrong, I can't even begin to talk about it.

Entrenched violence against women and children? Wrong.

The exclusion, exorcism or even killing of homosexuals? I'll let you guess how I feel about that.

And of course, female genital mutilation, which is one of the most despicable acts of violence against women, all in the name of culture, tradition and religion.

People should be free to practise any religion they choose. As soon as it starts physically harming people, that's when the law should step in.

I love it when a post nails every point I was going to bring up and then some. Saves me a lot of typing.

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[Johnmw]

Exactly. normally lawyers JUMP aty the chance to screw religion over. Strange lawyer her client went to in the first place.

Personally I'd quite like to ban religion from the judicial system all together, keep it as cold hard logic.

well that would be a problem in england and the us (and maybe other places) what do people swear on in a court?

I'm an Atheist.... What would i swear on? Shakespeare, some moralist philosopher? I think i would just give my word as a human, as i dont need the threat of divine retribution to be honest.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Abolish Christianity and Islam.

Problem solved forever.

 

[McMo0^]

Pfft this comes from a country where their leader can say that God told him to go to war with
Iraq, and the loony bin wasn't called. At what point does any religious text make any sense in the world we live in today?

 

[Zephirius]

this is actually pretty sensitive subject if she has proof that he beat her then yes he should serve time although if there is no proof get a divorce, and the Koran doesnt say it is ok to beat a wife its the muslim countries that allow it and misinterpit(sp)

Actually the scripture permits all kinds of violence and nastiness. It isn't at all down to misinterpretation. Try reading an Abrahamic holy book. The texts hate women with a passion, the marital abuse to keep women in line is the least of it.

See. The thing about these holy books is, I get the feeling that the people that wrote them must have had terrible luck with women. What succesful person with a family would write that much stuff as is in the Bible?

 

[Steve Dark]

Actually the Qu'ran never says "it's okay to beat your wife" but it is accepted in most middle-eastern countries as they believe that the woman is inferior to the man.

Quran verse 4:34 "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."

What you've got to remember is that Muslims regard the Quran as almost equal to Allah himself. It is as eternal as he is and has it's own place in heaven.

Anyways, what the book itself says or what people believe is irrelevant. Right or wrong does NOT vary depending on who and where.

 

[Xan Krieger]

Abolish Christianity and Islam.

Problem solved forever.

all smart people are aware that religion is stupider than than believing in toothfairy's

Why must people bash all religions? Honestly for the first poster even if you did that I will still be a christian and you can execute me for it, I don't care.

For the second poster I am considered the smartest person among my friends. My friends are not stupid. I am a christian. Your statement is flawed.

As for the topic, the wife beater deserves a prison sentence. I don't care who you are, you beat another human being and you should damn well better expect punishment.

 

[similar.squirrel]

Stick to your religion at your own expense. Nobody said it was going to be easy to spit in the face of reason.
don't expect special treatment.
Secularism ftw.

That was probably somewhat harsh. But I'm having a bad day >>

 

[Matronadena]

The correct approach is to follow the the law until it VERY EXPLICITLY offends your religion, ie. spit on a Bible. For Christianity, it hasn't done that yet in North America, so we're safe.

yet? i think the laws in north America are sorta based on Christianity. don't Americans swear to god like, 7 times, in their pledge of whatever. even has it on the money. canada's theme song goes "god, keep our land glorious and free!" Thats pretty damn religious. Even the courts make you swear on the, say it with me now, BIBLE which(correct me if im wrong) has something vaguely to do with Christianity, neh?. Our laws are no match for that which is deemed religion(i call it wishful thinking)
I think religion is a personal thing, and should not interfere with society.

I think that is largely for show these days, and optional... and by that I mean you don't exactly have to and can't " even though seems some try" to punish you if you refuse....

not long ago I was called as a witness in a traffic related case, and " swearing in as a witness" normally requires swearing in on a bible....however I was able to request they exchange the book for a fallen pine needle " As Im soto buddhist, and the pine needle is symbolic of my sangha/zendo..." I'll be as honest as nature can in what Im about to say" is basically what my view of it was...

and I know they can switch it out for the Koran, Analects, Talmud, Veda etc or even relics, or something symbolic...

I've also heard of a few cases where they used nothing at all, or replace it with a law book.

Now my Son got at trouble because he refused to stand for the pledge, and after his teacher brow beat him into standing, she got mad because he would not say anything...

in that case though he went to the principal of the school, and he was informed that she was not in the right to enforce her will in such a way..

( he also spends just as much time IN the U.S as he does out of it)

That goes for the average person...

I'm not sure about being sworn into office or anything... I'm pretty sure the same rules apply...but breaking from traditions MAY be seen as too political a taboo.