Religion clashes with Laws

[Warrior Irme]

well religion shouldn't come into it since there's a seperation between church and state. The case should just go by law and nothing else

When have people ever accepted the separation? Think about the courts, you must swear on the bible before testifying. Yes there should be a separation, but there isn't.

 

[Xan Krieger]

Abolish Christianity and Islam.

Problem solved forever.

all smart people are aware that religion is stupider than than believing in toothfairy's

Why must people bash all religions? Honestly for the first poster even if you did that I will still be a christian and you can execute me for it, I don't care.

For the second poster I am considered the smartest person among my friends. My friends are not stupid. I am a christian. Your statement is flawed.

As for the topic, the wife beater deserves a prison sentence. I don't care who you are, you beat another human being and you should damn well better expect punishment.

or you are both stupid and arrogant

Yes I can be arrogant just like anyone else. But I have yet to see proof that I'm stupid.

 

[G. Alarimm]

So if I shot someone, then claimed the Bible said it was ok to shoot that guy, I'm in the clear, right?

Right?

 

[Nargleblarg]

ahh religon it solves so many problems

 

[ThreeWords]

There should always be a division between church and state, and as such, religion and law should never be in contest. No offence to the religious, since I am myself, but religion is a chosen way of life, while the law applies to all. Your religion can govern the way you live your life, but it doesn't matter why you do something, the fact that it is illegal should come first in a legal situation.

why do u believe in your religion? i will disprove it revealing to all your stupidity
mwahahaha

Obvious troll is obvious (and should be shot, to put it out of it's misery)

 

[Pimppeter2]

It not part of their religion, its just accepted

 

[toasterslayer]

...why would you beat your wife? why put that in religion? who can have a happy marriage if they are beating?

 

[slevin8989]

well religion shouldn't come into it since there's a seperation between church and state. The case should just go by law and nothing else

You obviously do not understand church and state.

She has a certain time frame in which I think she can press charges, that time frame might be up.

Actually she has from 1 to 7 years depending on the state to press charges

 

[high sandwich maker of lamuella]

Exactly. normally lawyers JUMP aty the chance to screw religion over. Strange lawyer her client went to in the first place.

Personally I'd quite like to ban religion from the judicial system all together, keep it as cold hard logic.

well that would be a problem in england and the us (and maybe other places) what do people swear on in a court?

To be honest the whole swearing on a Bible thing seems to be tradition, I certainly wouldn't be less inclined to lie after swearing on a holy book I don't believe in and neither would most other people. The fear of repercussions and being an awful liar would prevent me from lying, not the Bible.

Get the divorce and run, you can't punish someone for the way they were brought up and the religious beliefs they were taught as children... no matter how wrong you or I feel it is.
NOT beating women is something I was raised to believe in. If I went to a Muslim country and they tried to punish me for not beating my wife, would you say they should?

But you can punish someone for abusing their spouse. If you were brought up being abused as a child and were taught that it was fine, would you then expect not to get punished when you do the same to your child?

 

[jasoncyrus]

ahh religon it Causes so many problems

Fixed

 

[Fingerprint]

And this is where religion fails epically in my opinion. When a religious person emigrates to another country, the countries laws, rules, and to an extent, way of life should be observed. Obviously that last bit is subject to opinion, but is otherwise the case. I feel it is entirely wrong for a religious person to enforce their way of life in a country that is mainly of another religion; practicing in private is fine, as is going to a different holy building etc. but, as in this case, beating a spouse in a country that doesn't allow it is wrong; laws should be followed no matter what faith you have.

 

[jasoncyrus]

One thing I love about christianity in a funny haha mock you kind of way, is that they still believe in, in the words of george carlin, "An invisible man in the clouds", no matter how many times you prove he cannot possibly exist.

A good one of mine is to point out to them that god is not immortal, in fact he must be eithe very mortal or very non existent.

Like so:

To manipulate anything in this universe, you must interact with some form or energy or substance, thus beng made of a similar energy or substance in this universe. Therefore have something that is poisonous to you or react badly with your own substance. Thus mortality.

Also, with that same opening reasoning, you must therefore be able to be affected by some form of energy or substance in this universe, thus we could harness it, weaponise it and kill god.

EDIT: Incase it went over some believers heads, if he is unnfected y anything in this universe then it is impossible for him to affect anything in this universe either. The two go hand in hand, if such a paradox did exist it would rip a hole in the fabric of space and possibly even time too.

 

[PlasticPorter]

I doubt the Quran has a passage that states wifebeating is acceptable.

Actually, it does. But just like the Bible, even the Torah, has lines that seem idiotic (like killing homosexuals or your children if they don't obey to you), so does the Quran, but remember that some people, or group of people, tend to do everything they are told before using this mighty ability known as common sense .

I kinda wish my mom would stop beating my dad though. Not to mention, even her mom likes to beat him sometimes. It's a family tradition.

I really want to see it, otherwise I wont believe it. These things always turn out to be implausible interpretations of stuff taken completely out of context.

thats kind of the point every relgious text has its groups where people interpret the text literally to server their own agenda
for instance, the klu klux klan

 

[PlasticPorter]

well religion shouldn't come into it since there's a seperation between church and state. The case should just go by law and nothing else

You obviously do not understand church and state.

She has a certain time frame in which I think she can press charges, that time frame might be up.

Actually she has from 1 to 7 years depending on the state to press charges

the beatings have contiued up until a few months ago and their is documented evidence of the abuse

 

[PlasticPorter]

Exactly. normally lawyers JUMP aty the chance to screw religion over. Strange lawyer her client went to in the first place.

Personally I'd quite like to ban religion from the judicial system all together, keep it as cold hard logic.

well that would be a problem in england and the us (and maybe other places) what do people swear on in a court?

I'm an Atheist.... What would i swear on? Shakespeare, some moralist philosopher? I think i would just give my word as a human, as i dont need the threat of divine retribution to be honest.

the bible in the court room is just an old standard it doesnt actually mean anything
and when EVER when people were going to lie would they not do it just cause they said," I PWOMISE NOT TO LIE MR JUDGE MAN"