Religion clashes with Laws

[TheDean]

Its called political correctness get used to it, here in Britain we even have those monstrous sharia law courts so Muslims wont be offended by being under regular persecution if the law.

i almost wept then.

 

[Shycte]

Immigrants should have to addapt to the country they moved to, not the other way around.

I don't care if robbing banks is a part of their religion (although that would be fucking awesome), if it's a crime, they should be punished just like everybody else.

 

[anNIALLator]

When it comes to women, the bible is no better than the koran. If people actually followed the rules in holy books everyone would be stoned to death within a week.

 

[jasoncyrus]

Its called political correctness get used to it, here in Britain we even have those monstrous sharia law courts so Muslims wont be offended by being under regular persecution if the law.

i almost wept then.

Not in scotland. We punish them just like everyone else.

 

[Yuriatayde]

As much as I hate political correctness and how everything has to completely swerve around peoples feelings because, in America at least, it IS illegal to offend somebody ohnoes! *cough* ... I don't think I wanna touch this subject, because religion is somewhat unstable; if the law suddenly started saying that religion was meaningless in the face of the law, you'd have... riots.

 

[PlasticPorter]

Religion is the reason humanity is going to kill itself off. Think about it, if there had been no religion in te first place, this wouldnt have happened. Religion is just a form of using fear to control you. I bet the guys who wrote the bible would be laughing at us right now. Religion was a practical joke that went too far, and now people are getting beat, and killing each other over it.

That sounds completely biased in almost every way, im gonna guess that either you have proved without a shadow of a doubt that there is no higher power, or are a opinionated troll. So... which is it?

I didn't mean to troll, I just get really forward about topics such as this. I am opinionated to a point, but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant. I've learned all I can about certain religions, and I can't bring myself to believe in a higher power. I am openly atheist, but I'm dating a Mormon, a brother to a Christian, and a son to a Bhuddist. I am willing to hear all about religion, and let you try to convince me its real, but I can't pretend to believe in anything but concrete evidence.

No one is asking you to belive in it but bashing it and blaming religion for all of humanities problems is a little ridiculous.
Im pretty sure that without religion the people who twist it to serve their own sick needs would just find another way to do so.

Well to be honest, Religion gave them a massive excuse to commit mass Genocide in thousands of battles and countless wars.

The two most prominent slaughters that come to my mind are the crusades and Cortez.

Fairly sure Cortez was just greedy and power hungry to begin with and would have done it anyway, And there are plenty of horrible genocides and murders that occur without religion ie Darfur or the situation with China and Tibet. Saying religion is only an excuse to commit violence is like saying that cars are only an excuse to run people over its a mindless generalization. And how can you belive that when there are plenty of religions that don't cause violence at all. Has Buddhism ever been used as an excuse to commit mass genocide? Has Shinto?

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

American law forbades wife-beating, as does Western society in general. That's the law. You can't get away with stabbing someone because your beliefs embrace it, it shouldn't be the same for anything else. End of.

 

[DarkBlood626]

If that pisses you off look what happens when the law is governed by religion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68svROtj7ls&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi4VFuRSBqM&feature=related

You will be rabid after this especially if you are atheist but even if you are religious this should disgust you

 

[Sevre]

Now to make amends on my earlier post I'm going to offer a clear cut explanation on why Religion is not for the 21st Century man/woman/child. This is because many of these documents were written in a time when people were a lot more likely to believe in things because they didn't have science as we do today. They didn't have the same level of morals either.

If a man with a staff and a beard told you to beat your wife back in the old days you most likely would because a) women were oppressed b) you were scared that said staff would flog you. Or turn into a snake. But today we are well beyond that stage and men, women and children are equal. We follow our own guidelines set out as The Law. Whether we choose to follow this secondary set of guidelines is our own will but The Law must be followed. Otherwise you will be flogged. Now when The Law clashes with religion it is a grey area. Its the case of having your handshake rejected. The Law is there to protect everyone and help everyone. When Religion comes along and throws its proverbial spanner-that-turns-into-a-snake in the works we have a problem.

The problem is that Religion should be respected (no sniggering)and it will be (not when its back is turned of course) but when Religion harms someones well-being then The Law should whip out its flogging stick-that-doesn't-turn-into-a-snake-but-sends-you-to-jail and give Religion a right beating (read:flogging). The original lawyer obviously felt confused about the case and feared for himself for trying to go against a religion with a reputation like that ( It's not bad,but its made a few mistakes).

Well thats my rant.

 

[Chaingang]

Most of these people seem to be forgetting that this country (well, the one I'm in) was founded on a faith in God. While to some this may have no relevance at all, but the very court system we use is also based on God. You must be sworn in when you give your testimony. Some of you may be atheist (more than likely all of you), but it's not your choice to make. The way you were raised is no different in the way they were raised. It's kinda hard to break away from a religion that is your life, doncha think?

 

[Legion]

I personally think that is ridiculus and belive that if you immigrate to a country and become its citizen you have to follow its laws that protect the rights and safety of others, even if your religion says otherwise

Your Mother, I'm sorry to say, is ignorant in this matter.

The part I left of your post is in fact how it actually works.

Religious laws have no power compared to a countries laws, otherwise Christians could get away with burning Pagans to death couldn't they.

 

[Chaingang]

Now to make amends on my earlier post I'm going to offer a clear cut explanation on why Religion is not for the 21st Century man/woman/child. This is because many of these documents were written in a time when people were a lot more likely to believe in things because they didn't have science as we do today. They didn't have the same level of morals either.

If a man with a staff and a beard told you to beat your wife back in the old days you most likely would because a) women were oppressed b) you were scared that said staff would flog you. Or turn into a snake. But today we are well beyond that stage and men, women and children are equal. We follow our own guidelines set out as The Law. Whether we choose to follow this secondary set of guidelines is our own will but The Law must be followed. Otherwise you will be flogged. Now when The Law clashes with religion it is a grey area. Its the case of having your handshake rejected. The Law is there to protect everyone and help everyone. When Religion comes along and throws its proverbial spanner-that-turns-into-a-snake in the works we have a problem.

The problem is that Religion should be respected (no sniggering)and it will be (not when its back is turned of course) but when Religion harms someones well-being then The Law should whip out its flogging stick-that-doesn't-turn-into-a-snake-but-sends-you-to-jail and give Religion a right beating (read:flogging). The original lawyer obviously felt confused about the case and feared for himself for trying to go against a religion with a reputation like that ( It's not bad,but its made a few mistakes).

Well thats my rant.

well, if you say it like that, then anything could be interpreted like that. I'm fairly certain "some guy with a staff" didnt say, "beat your wife, because she is a woman." Taking things out of context can be a very bad thing, almost as bad as claiming false knowledge, or in other words, lying.

 

[Chaingang]

My Mother is a lawyer and while I was home last she told me about a case she had recently taken.
Her client was a muslim woman who had immigrated with her husband last year for buisness. Now in the muslim faith some groups and people have interpreted the Koran to say that it is allowable for a husband to beat his wife and as such there are no laws against it in most muslim countries. Now this woman had been married to this 40 year old man when she was 14 and upon moving to the US she was completly ignorant of the laws here and as such did not know that in the US there are laws against spousal abuse here. A few months later she filed for a divorce and now wants her husband to serve punishment for his abuse. She had gone to the police and another lawyer before hiring my Mother and when she told them that she was being beaten by her husband they replied with "Well thats part of your religion isn't it? You just have to deal with it."

I personally think that is ridiculus and belive that if you immigrate to a country and become its citizen you have to follow its laws that protect the rights and safety of others, even if your religion says otherwise, but what do you think?

Your Mother, I'm sorry to say, is ignorant in this matter.

The part I bolded of your post is in fact how it actually works.

Religious laws have no power compared to a countries laws, otherwise Christians could get away with burning Pagans to death couldn't they.

Yeah, we could. Seeing as how we're CHRISTIAN, though, we don't do that.

 

[AgentNein]

Honestly, it sounds to me like this lady talked to a couple of douchebag xenophobic cops.

 

[Legion]

*snip*

Your Mother, I'm sorry to say, is ignorant in this matter.

The part I bolded of your post is in fact how it actually works.

Religious laws have no power compared to a countries laws, otherwise Christians could get away with burning Pagans to death couldn't they.

Yeah, we could. Seeing as how we're CHRISTIAN, though, we don't do that.

No, you couldn't. Murder is against the law.

The Christian bible says "burn the witch" so if you followed the Bible as opposed to the law then you could "justify" murdering Pagan's because they are witches.

Religion is the reason humanity is going to kill itself off. Think about it, if there had been no religion in te first place, this wouldnt have happened. Religion is just a form of using fear to control you. I bet the guys who wrote the bible would be laughing at us right now. Religion was a practical joke that went too far, and now people are getting beat, and killing each other over it.

Of course it would, take away Religion and people will find another excuse to do what they want.

 

[AkJay]

Abortion / Gay Marriage - 'Nuff Said.

 

[Sevre]

Now to make amends on my earlier post I'm going to offer a clear cut explanation on why Religion is not for the 21st Century man/woman/child. This is because many of these documents were written in a time when people were a lot more likely to believe in things because they didn't have science as we do today. They didn't have the same level of morals either.

If a man with a staff and a beard told you to beat your wife back in the old days you most likely would because a) women were oppressed b) you were scared that said staff would flog you. Or turn into a snake. But today we are well beyond that stage and men, women and children are equal. We follow our own guidelines set out as The Law. Whether we choose to follow this secondary set of guidelines is our own will but The Law must be followed. Otherwise you will be flogged. Now when The Law clashes with religion it is a grey area. Its the case of having your handshake rejected. The Law is there to protect everyone and help everyone. When Religion comes along and throws its proverbial spanner-that-turns-into-a-snake in the works we have a problem.

The problem is that Religion should be respected (no sniggering)and it will be (not when its back is turned of course) but when Religion harms someones well-being then The Law should whip out its flogging stick-that-doesn't-turn-into-a-snake-but-sends-you-to-jail and give Religion a right beating (read:flogging). The original lawyer obviously felt confused about the case and feared for himself for trying to go against a religion with a reputation like that ( It's not bad,but its made a few mistakes).

Well thats my rant.

well, if you say it like that, then anything could be interpreted like that. I'm fairly certain "some guy with a staff" didnt say, "beat your wife, because she is a woman." Taking things out of context can be a very bad thing, almost as bad as claiming false knowledge, or in other words, lying.

Well just to please you I will go as far as finding out when the religious book we're talking about was written and I'm fairly sure it was some old fellow who most likely had a walking stick of some sort. Although it does sound hilarious when you imagine an old man standing on a rock shouting down on a crowd "Beat your wife!". Anyway believe what you want to believe and read my comments the way you want to. People interpret things differently.

 

[Sevre]

Sorry for the double post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr

Please read. Senior Companion.

 

[hippo24]

Pretty sure no major religon endorses beating your wife.
At least none that are recognized by the state.

 

[PlasticPorter]

I personally think that is ridiculus and belive that if you immigrate to a country and become its citizen you have to follow its laws that protect the rights and safety of others, even if your religion says otherwise

Your Mother, I'm sorry to say, is ignorant in this matter.

The part I left of your post is in fact how it actually works.

Religious laws have no power compared to a countries laws, otherwise Christians could get away with burning Pagans to death couldn't they.

while you are right that the person who said that is incorrect if you read again it wasnt my mother who said that it was a DIFFERENT lawyer.