Religious Extremist Ruining my School

[confernal]

So the church clarified that those who were in the crusades went to hell then? or at least purgatory? I would every much like to hear or read that sentence because otherwise as far as the church is concerned, "if god said it, then its okay". And if they were permitted to do this at the time and still got to go to "heaven" then what does morality really mean at all? This is why I don't follow any mainstream religion.

 

[wootsniper]

No, no no. She should simply tell the school not to allow her son access to it. She has absolutely NO right to push her religion and opinions on everyone else. Just because she is deluded does not mean the whole school must suffer. God, if I had gone to High School in America I would have gone INSANE!

Y'know what we should do? We should form a "Christian" church with views and beliefs the EXACT opposite(except for basic theological stuff, like God and Jesus) of most churches, and try and push our views on them. We could lobby, protest, and preach hate just like they do, and maybe they will start to see what they are doing.

lol that would be awesome, but the Christian church is freakin rich cuz it had been ruling the wester culture for ages

 

[Xanadu84]

Fight fire with fire. If she has this right, so do you. Going by her standards, I'm sure that you can go through a ton of violent and "inappropriate" books in classes which are necessary for a curriculum. Huckleberry Finn? Racist. The Jungle? Socialism (Not actually evil in that book, but she won't know the difference). Moby Dick? Animal abuse for starters, and slide into the anti religious arguments shortly after. Let teachers know that if she can invoke her standards, then you can invoke yours, and make people realize that if you allow this kind of censorship, eventually you don't have a school.

Not sure about the video games in school though. It's very dependent on the video game being played, of course, but I'm afraid that once you get by her craziness, there is the question of what your doing playing video games during school hours.

 

[GrinningManiac]

Sigh...I suppose killing her WOULD mean she was right...

...I...guess you should...(strains) RE-A-SON...with...*gasp*...her...

Lord, that was hard to say.

Kill 'er, burn her by the stake!

If she's so high and mighty, BURN HER, women should not read the bible!

 

[kazabamer]

I'm sorry, but all religion does is cause problems. It starts wars, it causes social problems (example: rasists shouting anyone who believes in Islam) and it makes extremists like this exist. I think religious extremists should stay away from people who want to get on with things. Don't get me wrong, anyone can believe in anything, I mean I'm actually happy there are some people who are pastafarian (look it up). I have nothing against anyone or thier beliefs, just don't try to put those beliefs in the way of other peoples lives. Anyway, just tell your school that it's her beliefs and that you have your own that should be taken into account. If she cared that much she'd have her child removed.

 

[angel85]

I'm pretty sure this will become a non-issue soon, someone can not impose their religious beliefs on a public school. Also I think child protective services should take her son away, she could really mess him up.

 

[silent_spam]

i dont give a shit about her rights. i say go to her and start saying shit like "hail satan" or "may satan be with you". just completely freak her the fuck out by pretending to be the very thing she hates because ive had enough of rediculous and close-minded religious fuckin pricks skullfucking society over values that are skewed, or religious flights-of-fancy, which if i can be the on zillionth fucking person to say this..... YOU CANT FUCKING PROVE ANYTHING WITH RELIGION!!!!! im all for expressing ur spiritualism and teaching others morals,but for fuck say RELIGION IS A FUCKING INSTITUTION. Do those religious pricks really think the pope gives three fucks of a shit about them...NO! speaking of which, i HATE people who believe that everything could be solved by praying. Lets put this into perspective for just a second- if there is a god, an omnipotent, omniscient being controlling the entire fucking universe and all the life in the universe, what make them think that God is going to take time out of his busy day KEPPING THE FUCKING UNIVERSE IN ORDER, to solve ur little selfish fucking needs. this goes to show that humans are selfish, and we are de-evoluting to the point in a hundred years humans will evolve to living piles of shit, who eat shit, shit shit, and then in turn in their own shit, other shits shit, and wat the fuck, maybe we might accidentally eat some one in the process because WERE ALL SHIT......... im pretty sure no one has the attention span to read this entire rant, but if u where so bored u read this in desperation from fear that u would gauge ur eyes out wih a spork to give u something to do, well then please message me back and tell me wat u think of my post, and feel free to start a religios debate, they usually get interesting and well, arguing is fun. at least it gives me something to do......

 

[ShakyFiend]

'Also, and be honest: Did you just come and ask this question to the Escapist because you knew that most most of the community is liberal and totally against religious extremists?'

He has a point, weve been getting one hell of a lot 'BASH THE EXTREMISTS TO DEATH THREADS' recently (eg seriously... America) and they are kind of pointless, I have never seen a non-liberal opinion on here (if anyone would like to inform me of one I would be most grateful) and incidently has anyone else realised that the 'all extremists are bad' view that a lot of us propogate on here (including myself) is and extremist view? See above for example.

 

[tkioz]

Evil people will do Evil things, getting a good person to do Evil things, now that takes religion.

?With or without religion,
you would have good people doing good things
and evil people doing evil things.
But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion.?

?Steven Weinberg, US physicist

So that's where it comes from, I always just figured it was something my grandfather use to say

 

[annoyinglizardvoice]

If this is in America or the UK, then there are laws that you can sue her under (different laws depending on country) if she tries to go through with this.

 

[Cyberius]

I'm going with the "cleanse the gene pool" option.. now what can we use to kill off all of the people that mess our world up... hm... guns could work.. but that would take a really long time.. maybe a disease?... but the bodies immune system would take care of that.. so.. maybe... something that takes out the immune system? O! Wait...

 

[Treblaine]

I say she is addicted to being a god-bothering control freak.

Bottom line, if she want to torture her kid by depriving him of anything cool well she can do that but leave the other kids and the school alone. Steam on every PC? Your school is AWESOME, tells this busy body to mind her own damn business and that if you want your "souls saved" then you'll ask HER, not the other way around.

If God REALLY has a problem with it then he'll just come down to earth and say so or blow up the town sodom/gommorah style, if he even exists which is a question I wonder if it is even worth considering. Please remind her that she is NOT the voice of god.

 

[Thaius]

It's morons like this that make Christians look bad.

For the record, however, most Christian haters are similarly stupid to assume this is what every believer is like: "preaching hate" and forcing beliefs on others is not common practice, it's simply the most publicized, and it is definitely not in line with what the Bible actually teaches. People like this lady are messed up.

Well i agree that say that you are all intolerant assholes is pretty stupid. But i only need a bible to prove that your religion encourages ignorance, violence and intolerance. It's just that you don't really follow the teachings of your religion.

(ohhhh and if your rebuttal to this is "But it's only the old tastament law books that are violent, then here's a little quote for ya.)

For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.? (Matthew 5:18-19)

That's from the sermon on the mount by the way.

I assume, despite the fact that you didn't really make your point about the excerpt clear, that you are presenting this passage to say that Levitical law is still relevant. But this simply displays your lack of knowledge on how Christianity works.

The law is still relevant, yes. As Jesus said in the verse before this passage, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Note the word "fulfill." Meaning he is not here to simply preach his stuff and leave the law be, but to actually fulfill what was said, thus changing the ways we go about following the law.

The concept of Jesus' death on the cross was similar to that in Levitical law. The basic idea is that the punishment for sin is death: blood must be spilled. In Old Testament times, the remedy for this was to slay a lamb that was without blemish: the lamb takes your punishment, essentially. But the Christian belief centers around the idea that Jesus came to fulfill the law by being the perfect sacrifice: atonement for all sins, for everyone, past and present, if they accept the offer.

Due to this, yes, Levitical law is relevant, but sins are forgiven for those who believe. Animals don't need to be sacrificed, and consequences for sin aren't so extreme because the treatment of sin has changed. The violence of the old times is no longer necessary because forgiveness is given more freely.

See, the arguments that the teachings of the Bible are actually negative should just be dropped: it's all formed out of ignorance and purposeful warping of the context and message.

 

[Lazy Kitty]

What's her religion? Jack Thompsonism?

 

[DracoSuave]

It's very simple.

You inform the powers-that-be that her son does, in fact, have the right guaranteed by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada to practice his religion. He does, in fact, have the right not to read material that his religion finds objectionable, and he is permitted to bow out of activities that violate his moral code, the right of conscience. He has the right to his opinions on these matters, and he has the right to express those opinions.

And you are willing to acknowledge and respect those rights, and you in no way challenge them.


And then you remind him (and his mom) that you have the right guaranteed by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada to not practice their religion. You have the right to read material that his religion finds objectionable, and you are permitted to be involved in -legal- activities that violate his moral code, the right of conscience. You have the right to -your- opinions on these matters, and you have the right to express those opinions.

And they should be willing to acknowledge and respect those rights, and they should, in no way, challenge them.


If you're in Canada, and they try to pull something like that, you can legally object to it, as freedom of religion guarantees freedom from religion.

 

[NoryCaw]

Evil people will do Evil things, getting a good person to do Evil things, now that takes religion.

That is perhaps the most insightful comment on the nature of religion I have ever heard! Bravo!

 

[Pimppeter2]

Its not like shes gonna succeed or anything. Anybody with a mind could see that, so you really shouldn't be that upset.

snip.

Clergy was pretty much the only literate group in the Dark Ages, therefore the only ones preserving knowledge.