Ridiculously unfair stuff in multiplayer

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Gorilla Gunk

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Uncharted 3.

I can't really pinpoint exactly what it is but the best way I can explain is that oftentimes it's like playing against people who are using special boosters you don't have. It's infuriating.
 

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Sir_Auron_the_Badass said:
In WoW, as someone said before, trying to level on a PvP server SUUUUCCCKKKKSSSS..... You will be constantly hounded by high-level players of the opposite faction who have nothing to do but grief and camp lowbies (probably because they suck at PvP against guys of their own level range) once reaching contested zones (i.e. level 20+ zones).
Maybe it's the servers I play on, but I find that to not be the case in WoW when I quit at the end of last year. With being able to level up via Dungeon Finder and Battlegrounds and the questing revamp, there's very little reason to be out and about in an area, so there's little chance of running into a bored level 85 ganker because he'd have to wait AGES for any lowbies to come along.

Don't get me wrong, back in the vanilla days I ran my fresh Hunter into Redridge Mountains and was immediately one-shot by an Undead Rogue before I even made it to Guard Parker. It completely put me off PvP servers until they let you transfer to them as a max level character. Now it's just a non-issue, there's little reason to fly about in the world unless your farming herbs/ores/skins or doing daily quests so getting ganked by a max level character isn't an issue.

And if you do get a ganker, just hearthstone home and run dungeons or battlegrounds, or switch characters. One dungeon's worth of time and the ganker will have gotten bored and buggered off.
 

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JasonBurnout16 said:
Human Vanguards with their biotic Charge/Nova Spam in Multiplayer. I understand it's a legit stratergy but it slows the game down for everyone else and I will literally not play if every time i'm shooting someone some twit comes in from the side and takes my kill.

And I understand it's not about kills in ME3 multiplayer. But it's the principle of the matter.
I play Infiltrator, I steal Vanguard kills.
 

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Inception Spawn in MW3 - you get to see kill cams, threw other kill cams with more kill cams.
Funny story:
I reinstalled MW2, because "it can't really be that bad", got onto a game, got round five kills on my way to a Harrier, as one does...
Then all of a sudden, I get shot, see a killcam of myself shooting my killer, then him promptly appearing around 5 metres behind me.

I promptly quit, uninstalled the game and will NEVER make such a mistake again.
 

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I wouldn't call it unfair, but the Dead Ringer in TF2 is certainly annoying. You can know they're a Dead Ringer just by looking at them, have them on fire and pinned in a corner, but you have to chase them around the map and wait for them to decloak because of that damage resistance buff. If It was shortened to give the buff just for the initial cloaking phase then it wouldn't annoy me so much.
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Say it all with me now!

RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR

TF2, 95% ubercharge, A WILD CROCKET APPEARS!
Fuck random crits.

Whoever thought that was a good idea has no concept of game balance.
Also this.
 

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DustyDrB said:
TheYellowCellPhone said:
Favorite weapons:Axetinguisher, Flare Gun, Degreaser
Oooh, we should get along.

Sniper Rifle
Ah...nevermind. >:D

I do love how I pretty much stopped hearing people call the Pyro a noob class when the Degreaser arrived. I love that weapon. It makes playing the class so technical and satisfying. I always roll Flare Gun + Degreaser + Axetinguisher. Though that does make shotgun-carrying Pyros a big threat.
axetinguisher? ha, i felt so guilty using that i switched to powerjack and never looked back. 195 damage is insane for how little effort it takes to use. not to mention if you have any skill with the flare gun it makes the axe pretty redundant.
 

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Engie nests.

Well not really since im an expert on busting them but still they do slow the game down like a *****.
This, couldn't there be something that prevents engies all building too close together? Or would this just unbalance the game? I don't know.
wouldn't matter much, a good engie knows to build his dispenser a little ways from the sentry so if his sentry goes down he can build another with the metal.
 

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viking97 said:
DustyDrB said:
TheYellowCellPhone said:
Favorite weapons:Axetinguisher, Flare Gun, Degreaser
Oooh, we should get along.

Sniper Rifle
Ah...nevermind. >:D

I do love how I pretty much stopped hearing people call the Pyro a noob class when the Degreaser arrived. I love that weapon. It makes playing the class so technical and satisfying. I always roll Flare Gun + Degreaser + Axetinguisher. Though that does make shotgun-carrying Pyros a big threat.
axetinguisher? ha, i felt so guilty using that i switched to powerjack and never looked back. 195 damage is insane for how little effort it takes to use. not to mention if you have any skill with the flare gun it makes the axe pretty redundant.
Nah, there's a drawback in its utter ineffectiveness against other Pyros as well as in water. I mostly just run from other Pyros because my loadout sucks versus them. Though I am quite skilled with the Flare gun (it accounts for about 40% of my kills as a Pyro)
 

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Eddie Gordo from Tekken 3 onwards. Any beat em up character that can played just as effectively with the television off is clearly a bit much.
 

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anthony87 said:
Noshahr canals on Battlefield 3.

If you're on the side that spawns on the carrier then prepare to have a whale of time trying to even make it to the docks as you're being sniped by soldiers, a tank or two and there's an enemy helicopter spawncamping and blowing up your helicopters. What do you do if your helicopters get destroyed?

....You take a boat. A little shitty thing that's just begging for a tank to blow it out of the water provided one of the snipers don't headshot your as you're driving it.

Very unbalanced map is basically what I'm getting at.
Really, any of the amphibious assault maps have the same problem. A coordinated team of engineers can ensure no armor makes it to the beach and if you have a single sniper with a SOFLAM, the engineers don't even have to be coordinated. Sure, in some maps they assault team gets a significant advantage in terms of armor and air assets, but the air game rarely has a real effect on the ground and a pair of engineers working with a sniper can destroy IFV's in seconds.

As far as unfair goes, I'd point to the simple fact that some weapons you unlock are simply better than others in games. Until the recent patch, the USAS-12 with Frag rounds was so insanely powerful that the only reason you wouldn't use it on certain maps was because you hadn't unlocked it yet. The fact that any handgun you unlock is objectively better than those you start with is silly. The 1911 has far more stopping power and an adequate magazine that allows for plenty of missing while being more than accurate enough for the job. The Rex and 44 magnum are more powerful still. The Glock 18 has absurd stopping power at point blank range and can easily be used reliably as a longer ranged weapon just like the M93R.

But, were I to pick something from another genre, I'd say just about all of the super units in Dawn of War 2. A properly supported baneblade is an unstoppable killing machine. A land raider can bring an enormous assault squad beyond virtually any defensive line and support them with absurd firepower tailor made for murdering infantry and worrying just about any armor the enemy might field. Terminators do absurd damage and can only be killed with overwhelming numbers after you've managed to route their entire support structure. There is lterally no safe way to engage the standard ones. At range they shred everything with Assault Cannon and up close they have the brutal power fist. The Swarmlord is a melee power house that is seemingly impossible to put down, applies a debuff to everything in range as well as offering a powerful buff. A well constructed tyranid army that features Swarmlord can launch foolish assaults against an entrenched enemy and come out relatively unscathed and victorious.

I suppose what makes it unfair is that the good toys went to three of the six armies. The Eldar have an Avatar - a slow bullet magnet that can easily be kited and killed. Its only utility is in the aura and the special abilities are sufficient to keep it from being worthless. The Great Unclean one is much the same but it doesn't get the advantage of having truly useful abilities. It is simply a damage sponge. And Daisy is just a damage sponge that is not truly useful for anything. Sure it kills tanks and infantry but it does so far less efficiently than any other option all while being relatively easy to kill by armor or infantry. Supported it is dangerous but hardly devestating. Unsupported it won't even do much damage before it goes down.
 

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I've been experiencing this a lot in Battlefield 3 recently. I'm not a bad player, my K/D is something like 1.6, but Seeing as I don't play it much I am only level 24 whereas most people are like general rank 17 by now meaning I have very few weapons at my disposal whereas they have everything. The weapons that annoyed the piss out of me though were the A-91 carbine (Which I have now unlocked) and the G18 (level 30 unlock.) I have been killed about 20 times recently by people using that machine pistol and it annoys the crap out of me. It kills you so damn fast. The main annoyance is that because people are already high-level with high-level weapons/equipment, it makes the game really hard for low levels such as myself to rank up as we're constantly being slaughtered by those with high powered weapons.
 

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The Wykydtron said:
And legit Invasions (both by me and against me) are actually pretty fun! Can you buy Cracked Red Eye Orbs from anywhere that's not the Darkwraiths? Because I really don't want to have to rush the Four Kings to get them... Ever.
If you want a nice way to get started into PvP, try the forest convent, no need for Red Eyes to invade if your part of the covnet, but with all invasions, its liekly that the players you invade will be a fair bit higher level, so you could try simply going human there, you'll be invaded in no time

Another way is to simply place a summon sign there, as most people will be looking for summons for PvP as apposed to help with boss fights etc
 

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mortalsatsuma said:
I've been experiencing this a lot in Battlefield 3 recently. I'm not a bad player, my K/D is something like 1.6, but Seeing as I don't play it much I am only level 24 whereas most people are like general rank 17 by now meaning I have very few weapons at my disposal whereas they have everything. The weapons that annoyed the piss out of me though were the A-91 carbine (Which I have now unlocked) and the G18 (level 30 unlock.) I have been killed about 20 times recently by people using that machine pistol and it annoys the crap out of me. It kills you so damn fast. The main annoyance is that because people are already high-level with high-level weapons/equipment, it makes the game really hard for low levels such as myself to rank up as we're constantly being slaughtered by those with high powered weapons.
Step 1: Play as Engineer.

Step 2: Pick the M4A1.

Step 3: ????

Step 4: Kills.

Granted I say that not having tried an awful lot of the other guns but it's gotten me to level 40 so far and it's never let me down.
 

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Unfair stuff in multiplayer?

The first thing that came to my mind was Battlefield 3.

It just doesn't strike me as fair that it doesn't really separate the low level players from the high level ones, and can just sorta turn it into a steamroll if a team consisting of inexperienced low-levels have to go up against a team of high-levels who on top of being plain better that the low leveled inexperienced ones, have way more benefits as well. :[
Yea, that always baffled me.

Also: Automatic shotguns. I want to slap the person who thought that was a good idea.
 

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anthony87 said:
Noshahr canals on Battlefield 3.

If you're on the side that spawns on the carrier then prepare to have a whale of time trying to even make it to the docks as you're being sniped by soldiers, a tank or two and there's an enemy helicopter spawncamping and blowing up your helicopters. What do you do if your helicopters get destroyed?

....You take a boat. A little shitty thing that's just begging for a tank to blow it out of the water provided one of the snipers don't headshot your as you're driving it.

Very unbalanced map is basically what I'm getting at.
I hate that map with a passion.

I also hate the last part of Metro on rush where the defenders spawn in an open area while the attackers get two tall buildings with a dozen frickin windows. Snipers paradise.
 

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Saucycarpdog said:
anthony87 said:
Noshahr canals on Battlefield 3.

If you're on the side that spawns on the carrier then prepare to have a whale of time trying to even make it to the docks as you're being sniped by soldiers, a tank or two and there's an enemy helicopter spawncamping and blowing up your helicopters. What do you do if your helicopters get destroyed?

....You take a boat. A little shitty thing that's just begging for a tank to blow it out of the water provided one of the snipers don't headshot your as you're driving it.

Very unbalanced map is basically what I'm getting at.
I hate that map with a passion.

I also hate the last part of Metro on rush where the defenders spawn in an open area while the attackers get two tall buildings with a dozen frickin windows. Snipers paradise.
One other map that annoys me sometimes is Seine Crossing.

It's actually one of my favourites but the fact that one team more or less has a direct line of sight to points C and D on Conquest pisses me off. Although I wouldn't call that unbalanced, just annoying when a bunch of snipers or engineers with missile launchers hang back in their spawn peppering those two points with fire.
 

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Lug100 said:
The Wykydtron said:
And legit Invasions (both by me and against me) are actually pretty fun! Can you buy Cracked Red Eye Orbs from anywhere that's not the Darkwraiths? Because I really don't want to have to rush the Four Kings to get them... Ever.
If you want a nice way to get started into PvP, try the forest convent, no need for Red Eyes to invade if your part of the covnet, but with all invasions, its liekly that the players you invade will be a fair bit higher level, so you could try simply going human there, you'll be invaded in no time

Another way is to simply place a summon sign there, as most people will be looking for summons for PvP as apposed to help with boss fights etc
You mean the Red Soapstone summon sign? I dunno, the last time I tried that the dick who summoned me had a group of his mates all stood around where I spawned in and promptly gangbanged me to death in half a second XP

I was in Sen's Fortress when I tried that though... Maybe forest invasions are just less dickish in general.

And I may just start many new characters and just invade with base weapons using those few Cracked Red Eye Orbs you get at the start. Start game PvP is so fun!

Hey, host! Chase me into 3 Knights and a Channeler why don't you? Trololololol!
 

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I don't believe in "unfair" or "cheap". Like, as a concept, I think it's a bit of a cop-out. It's something players with no skills say to make themselves feel better about losing.

That said, fuck this guy. If he never comes back for another game, I won't shed a tear.
 

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The Wykydtron said:
You mean the Red Soapstone summon sign? I dunno, the last time I tried that the dick who summoned me had a group of his mates all stood around where I spawned in and promptly gangbanged me to death in half a second XP

I was in Sen's Fortress when I tried that though... Maybe forest invasions are just less dickish in general.

And I may just start many new characters and just invade with base weapons using those few Cracked Red Eye Orbs you get at the start. Start game PvP is so fun!

Hey, host! Chase me into 3 Knights and a Channeler why don't you? Trololololol!
When I said summon sign i actually ment the white soapstone in the sense that youll be summoned to help fight for the host, 6v6 PvP is great fun!! Plus as a summon, you dont really lose anything from dying

Ive never bothered using the Red Soapsign, as the Dragon eye is much nicer, for one your gaurented to only have to fight 1 person
 

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Every Free To Play game I have played so far.
Or, rather. Pay to Win.

Edit: Except for TF2, you're cool, bro.