Rock music: A load of men screaming about their girlfriends

[Bernzz]

I can't stand most rap nowadays, as all of it that I hear is mostly black people talking about how great they are, or how they can shoot it out, or how they abuse women, and that shit is just that, shit.

Whereas...I'm a big metal and drum and bass fan, but Nas...something about his rap...it's excellent. I really like Nas, and that's about it.

 

[elemenetal150]

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I don't understand, where are the guns and hoes? I thought this was 'Rap'?

C wut I did thar?

while there are a few main stream people that are amazing for what they put out......just listen to about any Nas song...and some of the outkast songs that aren't singles that get radio play. The vast majority of the good hip-hop/rap you will never hear on the radio. Why? because it isn't a dick waving contest and is actually about something

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

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I don't understand, where are the guns and hoes? I thought this was 'Rap'?

C wut I did thar?

while there are a few main stream people that are amazing for what they put out......just listen to about any Nas song...and some of the outkast songs that aren't singles that get radio play. The vast majority of the good hip-hop/rap you will never hear on the radio. Why? because it isn't a dick waving contest and is actually about something

Exactly. I have Nas' Illmatic album, as well as his Hip Hop is Dead album, but to me he still can't hold a candle to Canibus. The man is just insane when it comes to lyrical ability.

Good list by the way! I missed quite a few out when I was suggesting artists to the guy above. Hopefully he sees yours as well.

 

[Joshimodo]

That's his point. Many people's perception of hip hop is just the horrendous mainstream stuff, like 50 Cent. To say that all hip hop is about guns and hoes is just as bad as saying all rock is about whining about ex girlfriends. It's completely wrong.

Yeah, but here's my point - what he described ISN'T under the umbrella of rock, whereas crap like 50 Cent IS under the umbrella of rap/hip-hop.

 

[Oolinthu]

That's his point. Many people's perception of hip hop is just the horrendous mainstream stuff, like 50 Cent. To say that all hip hop is about guns and hoes is just as bad as saying all rock is about whining about ex girlfriends. It's completely wrong.

Yeah, but here's my point - what he described ISN'T under the umbrella of rock, whereas crap like 50 Cent IS under the umbrella of rap/hip-hop.

Yes, it is. 50 cent is pop. There are many hip hop fans who would disregard 50 cent, claim that he isn't true hip hop, but that's all fallacious. 50 cent is pop rap, and what he described is pop rock - Nickelback leaps to mind.

 

[LCP]

in the same way rock music is men with half their face covered by hair crying about their ex girlfriend.

*facepalm* Where Have you been living? Under a rock? Seriously.

Did you actually bother reading the whole post?

Hell no. I expected the same from the wall of text.

 

[Nincompoop]

Then you're missing out on what a song can be by seeing it only as a tune with the vox instrument. That's like saying you only watch film for the cinematography and not for the dialogue even though you pay attention to how the actors are shot, but not what they say.

You have no idea how I feel about music. You have no idea what ecstatic experience I can get out of music. How dare you say "only"... If someone can't enjoy music, without great lyrics, then apparently they do not feel music the correct way.

It's so fucking hypocritical

You keep using that word--it's the wrong one. Maybe you mean people are conflating things, or equivocating, but 'hypocritical' really doesn't apply here.

Doesn't hypocritical mean, like, double morale or something like that? Like saying, one boasts of loving heavy metal music, but actually only likes the more silent and smooth parts of some heavy metal songs. If not, I stand corrected.

most people who say that aren't saying it's "all about" lyrics

But how come I get the feeling that it's the only thing that matters? All the arguments are always lyrical. A song seems to be judged purely lyrical.

I think you are just using the word 'music' for what other people mean when they say 'instrumentals' regardless of whether vox is one of them.

What? Music is, quote; "The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre." -answers.com

I feel like people are using music as a promotion of different themes.

Good looking women use music to promote their bodies.

Rappers use music to promote political messages.

Many lyricists use music to promote their lyrics.

I feel like almost no one really listens to music anymore.

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I'm done... Fuck this... I don't know why I even bother... It just gets to me, really fast, when music isn't seen as the incredible beauty it is...

Sorry for using up your valuable time. I can't win a discussion like this... I'm not smart enough. But I know I am right, even if you don't know what I really am talking about.

I'll stick to arguing about less 'phylosophical' arguments from now on.

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

I'm done... Fuck this...

I see you finally got my message. Took you awhile.

 

[Nincompoop]

If you want to make a thread talking about how much you don't care about lyrics, go ahead, but no one in this thread cares. Now you're gunna say something like "Oh but in your OP you talked about how hip-hop has meaning", you're right, I did, because the most common complaint about hip-hop is that it has no meaning, not that it doesn't have totally rocking guitar solos. If you don't care about lyrics then you should never be caught saying "Hip-hop sucks cus it's all about bitchs and hoes", which therefore means this thread should be irrelevant to you, so go make your own thread and discuss how much you don't care about lyrics.

I apologize. You're right, I shouldn't be here.

 

[Nincompoop]

I'm done... Fuck this...

I see you finally got my message. Took you awhile.

It's not you... It's Cheeze_Pavilion who 'won' over me.

 

[xplay3r]

/rant
But I kinda see where your comming from but until all the black people at my school stop singing shit like 50 Cent im going to condem rap/hip-hop because that is what I know it to be and I don't have the time nor the motivation to look up anything "good" from the genre.

i have to agree. I mean yes there is plently of good rap out there. (imortal technique is good. i love dance with the devil that song made me gasp. also some eminems good because he raps about things that important in his life. like real problems he has)

However when i flick on the raido and there are 5 radio stations all with songs on it where half the words are bleeped and the other half should be bleeped I get irritated. It's like you no longer have to have talent or intelligence to make music. Most rappers play no instruments and have no good singing voices. Half the time they don't even rhyme well they twist words and make up words to fit there rhymes. Also it doesn't help that all the people in my school who are into rap (black or white or whatever color they are it doesn't matter) they all walk around like there hard and think cuz they listened to a song about shooting somone they've done it. Some write there own lyrics and i've heard them. It's the same stuff about how uch drugs they got and how amazing they are and how big there cars are.

Now i'm not saying all rap is like this but 9 times out of ten on the radio all you hear on the radio is this produced crap. Don't get me wrong though modern rock sucks hard for the most part to. Most pands learn a few power chords and either just scream into the mic or are singing in a voice that just sounds constipated and they sing about nothing with substance.

There are alot of good bands out there (i.e. cage the elephant, green day, avenged sevenfold(sometimes) and my chemical romance has a song or two that is slightly well written though most of it isn't vey great) but the majority sucks. That's my problem with modern music the people who take chances and do something diffrent or have a statment to make they are usualy the outcast and people who say nothing of substance or value or meaning and just follow suit they're rewarded with fame and money. It should be the other way around!

If you have no talent but a good point to make, then I don't mind. If your sining for fun that's fine too. When you try to be serious and make talk about things you've probably never experianced or are the same things eveyone else is saying that's when i get angry. If you can't play an instrument or can't sing but you're rapping about a good point of a valid opinion that's fine I endorse that 100% but when you say nothing of value or entertainment talent or not then it irritates me.

 

[Ginnipe]

Don't take it personaly but I think both metal and hip hop both suck ass and can go die in a hole.

It's just some people screaming their ass of into mics and think their great on a guitar when they can make a extreamly fast solo that sounds like shit. I know it's hard to do but atleast put that talent into something good.

Now I do like a few metal and hip hop songs but not bands. I do like a few songs from Guns N' Roses and a cople of other songs but other than that I can't stand the genre.

I like soft rock ( I don't know what to call it) and a little rock, country, and a few other smaller genres.

But if hip hop artists like to put so much depth into their songs then why can't they go 3 lines without saying shit, fuck, douche or someother swear word. It just confuses me and no matter how much I try I can't find any respect for them, for all I care 50 cent could be shot in the head this time and same with eminem (howver the hell you spell his name, I would just call it Mn'm) and any other hip hop artist.

Plenty of soft rock artists put alot of depth into their songs and it's acually plesent to listen to.

So to whomever want's to flame on about this comment go ahead, but I'm just saying, I like to listen to music that sounds good and plesent not mindless screaming with some big story hiding behind it all like it has confidence issues or something.

 

[InifniteWit]

Yeah I don't care what it is I don't listen to anything that's number one because it's number one. I listen to it because I like it.

Oh and uhh, War Pigs, so stfu.

 

[Naeo]

I came in here expecting a flame thread about "Rock is the devil" or something. I was pleasantly surprised.

I have to agree. I don't listen to/like the rap or hip-hop genres in general, so I admit that they do sound like "and the bitches and the hos and the cribs and the pimped out cars and LIVIN IN THE GHETTO" to me when I hear it (but granted, that's rare and usually pretty mainstream stuff). I don't think it would all be like that, though, and if I found some rap that appealed to me I'd listen to it.

Although shitty music prevails now for two reasons: people are stupid and want shallow music about the same topic over and over (Fallout Boy, I'm looking at you) because they don't have to think (this comes bundled with "and they only really care about two things: vocals and an awesome guitar solo, which explain why Dragonforce is so popular), and iTunes. iTunes lets you buy one song and not the whole album. Before the internet and before iTunes and Napster got popular, you had to buy the whole album if you wanted that one song. So the artist had to have a good album. Now, that's not the case, as very few people (myself among them) still buy actual albums (or just buy their music). People hear a catchy song and they go buy/steal just that one song, and the rest of the album is shit, but the band doesn't want just that one song played over and over again so other songs get played, and they're all shit and the same thing copied and pasted. Get one or two good songs, and you're suddenly totally awesome for that day and then everyone forgets about you.

 

[freakonaleash]

Your right, Limp Bizkit is a great band.

Lies and nonsense! Anyway, I have a question for you; Did you used to be into pyrotechnics? I remember a guy who went by your name on some other forums, thought it might be you.

OT: Thank god we have Triple J in Australia, which plays only good music. That includes some rap/hiphop aswell as a lot of rock of some description. It's the shiznit.

Not into making firworks too much...my name is a pretty popular song so I'm not surprised it was on another site.

 

[Pax1]

You obviously have not heard of Pink Floyd.

 

[MelziGurl]

I use to like Rap/Hip Hop. But I'm one of those people who can't stand hearing the same thing in different songs. I can't stand listening to 50 Cent anymore, Soulja Boy (his songs just aggrivate my ears) just to name a couple. However, I don't mind listening to musicians like Jessica Mauboy which yes, is RnB but is far more tolerable and has some nicer meaning to their songs.

I am a lover of Rock, Punk, Emo and some Metal. However the same principle applies in that I don't like songs that sound the same...and oh my god I cannot stand Hinder, it makes me want to rip my heart out.