Rock music: A load of men screaming about their girlfriends

[Credge]

You're all about the music, click this, it will make you happy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adV8-_hgL4g

Your money back if it doesn't.

I love instrumental stuff, I really do. Bucketheads stuff just doesn't really do anything for me, and I don't see how it could do anything for anyone.

This song, for example, lingers around simple ideas for too long. The first two and a half minutes are just dull. It's too simple an idea for an instrumental and it lacks a hook. 2:47-3:12 is a test of patience. It's just notes without any emotional content. From 3:13 to 4:28 is pretty great. Toying around with the bit layed before it but instead of just creating tension that never resolves, he creates some and takes it away. You know, like how a song is supposed to be.

After that, it sort of goes to hell. Notes for the sake of playing notes, noise for the sake of playing noise with tiny bits of inspiration. Then the dullness hits again at 6:05. Just notes being played. It's grating. 6:30 to 8:00 is good stuff, like the other bit. 8:00 to 8:07 is just awful and painful to listen too. After that it's just noodling, which is cool. Nothing really spectacular or great about it.

I'm left with a headache after listening to it.

The problem with Bucketheads stuff is similar to an instrumental Metallica. There's not really enough substance in the music itself to warrant instrumentals. Most of his ideas aren't bad, but they seem poorly executed. He attempts to wow me over with killswitch and wammy pedal licks instead of win me with emotional spillings.

He has it in him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSxPDAUbiQA), he just tries to be something different instead of something amazing.

 

[minignu]

rock music is men with half their face covered by hair crying about their ex girlfriend.

That's not rock.

That's tween pop crap.

That's his point. Many people's perception of hip hop is just the horrendous mainstream stuff, like 50 Cent. To say that all hip hop is about guns and hoes is just as bad as saying all rock is about whining about ex girlfriends. It's completely wrong.

 

[mkg]

I don't like rap, but there are rap songs I like. I love metal, but I only listen to the few bands I like, cause alot of it is generic. I think if you make a statement like rap is only about... then don't listen to ANY rap, then you're more interested in what image listening to a certain type of music gives you moreso than the quality of the music itself. As far as pirating music goes, I don't think any true artist has ever been truly successful. Hendrix is considered one of the first and the best b many but didn't make a fucking dime until he was dead already. Not to say there haven't been good artists who made it to the big time, but everyone who makes it to that level is gonna have to sell out eventually, some do it slightly-RHCP and others to the extreme-Metallica all in order to make that money. It's just the result of an art becoming a business.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

I don't see how you can not get it. You even yourself helped prove the point.

Let's examine the Immortal technique song you posted. Barring the intro, the instrumentals never broke that single deviation of the standard rap "Base, Base-Snare, Base-Base-Base Snare," the "singer" was basically talking in the same note in rhythm the whole way through. (If playing his "singing" portion on a piano you probably wouldn't break three keys right next to each other.) And yes, there are rap songs with meaning, but there's a huge amount of it, probably a majority of it, that's about about "hos", drugs, gang activities, or having stuff. Besides, i don't think the argument that rap sucks was "It has no meaningful lyrics" so much as it was "It takes no talent to do, and it has no musical value"

Now I'm not going to sit here and defend the mainstream rock media either, as I could probably create a song more coherent than green day or fallout boy using only flatulence. But classic rock and metal takes talent, and a lot of it.
Now let's compare the talent of Immortal Technique to guitarist Michael Angelo Batio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rutyA12z3Ok
Ok, yes that's more of a "look what I can do asshole" kind of thing, but it can also be classy and have a deeper meaning. Take Metallica for example. They can write a song about how cocaine destroys a mans life, without once directly naming the drug or using a slang term for it, but still convey the point by use of figurative language. They give it an amazingly brutal sounding tremolo riff, awesome solo, memorable main chorus, even a semi acoustic portion and it's STILL brutal. And even as such, it can be backed by a full orchestra and have it not sound out of place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KtF7ql3FJc

 

[Squarez]

Well I disregard the viewpoint of any who says "All rap/rock/pop music sucks" anyway

Such sweeping generalisations make no sense, because I'm pretty sure that everyone could find atleast one song in each genre of music that they like

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[minignu]

Hey man, you try and make a hip hop rhythm and beat and see how well you do - it's muvch harder than it looks to make a hip hop classic. Not to mention you're focusing on one sound from the genre - check out instrumental hip hop, or hip hop acts with full live bands (such as The Roots as above). Sure, some tracks are lazily thrown together, but, like every genre, you have to actualy try and find the good stuff and not just judge every band based on a rather broad label.

Speaking of which, I really hate how some genres are grouped together. When the hell did "indie" turn out to mean "pretentious wanky mainstream "rock"" instead of merely "independant" for example?

 

[duchaked]

I know there is some good rap, it just has more crap songs and artists compared to Rock. Plus Rap just turns me off.

I'm aware of the fact that this is subjective opinion, and that it's impossible for either of us to be right, but it doesn't stop me from disagreeing and saying that you are incorrect.

since when has hip hop and educated been put together into the same sentence and worked...

I mean nothing against it, I'm really open to many genres of music

Are you serious? You are?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080306223318AApp75Y

Or if that's not what you meant...

http://www.amazon.com/Some-Intelligent-Hip-Hop/lm/1U30LW1LM38P0

Or if THAT'S not what you meant...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kFLDtndj6Q

lol thank you, I knew there wouldn't be faster way to find said material than posting on this site =)

 

[LCP]

in the same way rock music is men with half their face covered by hair crying about their ex girlfriend.

*facepalm* Where Have you been living? Under a rock? Seriously.

 

[Mezrev]

in the same way rock music is men with half their face covered by hair crying about their ex girlfriend.

*facepalm* Where Have you been living? Under a rock? Seriously.

Did you actually bother reading the whole post?

 

[JanatUrlich]

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[ChromeAlchemist]

The problem with your analysis is that most of the genre is people doing what everyone hates, singing about the degradation of women and how great they are. I admit there are good rap artists out there but the majority aren't

Why can no one listen to what the OP is saying?

You are generalising. Generalising is what people do when they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. I can safely assume you haven't listened to most of the genre of hip hop, and perhaps you should listen to more before you make such a statement.

It's not generalizing when it's virtually true with all of the hip-hop that I've heard. And yes, I have heard quite a lot of it.

Then you are listening to quite a lot of the same thing, it's a common problem.

I could say that 'rock is virtually all about death and screaming, and I've heard a lot of it'. But I would be wrong, chances are I would have been listening to one sub-genre rather than the genre in it's entirety. You have heard a lot of Gangster rap or mainstream hip hop, which doesn't really conform to just one part of genre, but does contain a lot of gangster rap within it. I can name a wealth of artists, songs and sub-genres that don't contain what you are claiming.

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Easy on Janat, this is a family-friendly forum!

 

[NoNameMcgee]

There is no such thing as good or bad music, it's entirely subjective; so people annoy me a lot when they insult entire genres for whatever reason. Okay, it's not to your taste, that doesn't make it bad, so shut up!

I'm much more into the mainstream kind of music; you know, the stuff thats played on the radio a lot. When I branch out into other things I don't normally listen to I end up with mixed results, mostly not to my taste, so I usually don't bother. My favourite genres are Pop, R&B and Dance music. I also like Hip-Hop and some Rock. I like a few things from all genres though, but admittedly most of the music that agrees with me turns out to be the fun music without much of a message or meaning. I get a lot of hate for that.

 

[JanatUrlich]

Easy on Janat, this is a family-friendly forum!

Exactly! And that is how families are made ;D

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

There is no such thing as good or bad music, it's entirely subjective; so people annoy me a lot when they insult entire genres for whatever reason. Okay, it's not to your taste, that doesn't make it bad, so shut up!

I'm much more into the mainstream kind of music; you know, the stuff thats played on the radio a lot. When I branch out into other things I don't normally listen to I end up with mixed results, mostly not to my taste, so I usually don't bother. My favourite genres are Pop, R&B and Dance music. I also like Hip-Hop and some Rock. I like a few things from all genres though, but admittedly most of the music that agrees with me turns out to be the fun music without much of a message or meaning. I get a lot of hate for that.

Well I guess your just an... AverageJoe.

*Badum tsh*

 

[Chartic]

The problem with your analysis is that most of the genre is people doing what everyone hates, singing about the degradation of women and how great they are. I admit there are good rap artists out there but the majority aren't

Why can no one listen to what the OP is saying?

You are generalising. Generalising is what people do when they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. I can safely assume you haven't listened to most of the genre of hip hop, and perhaps you should listen to more before you make such a statement.

Perhaps I should, but from what I have listened that has been the majority of what I have heard.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

The problem with your analysis is that most of the genre is people doing what everyone hates, singing about the degradation of women and how great they are. I admit there are good rap artists out there but the majority aren't

Why can no one listen to what the OP is saying?

You are generalising. Generalising is what people do when they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. I can safely assume you haven't listened to most of the genre of hip hop, and perhaps you should listen to more before you make such a statement.

Perhaps I should, but from what I have listened that has been the majority of what I have heard.

Here I'll post what I posted to someone else:

Then you are listening to quite a lot of the same thing, it's a common problem.

I could say that 'rock is virtually all about death and screaming, and I've heard a lot of it'. But I would be wrong, chances are I would have been listening to one sub-genre rather than the genre in it's entirety. You have heard a lot of Gangster rap or mainstream hip hop, which doesn't really conform to just one part of genre, but does contain a lot of gangster rap within it. I can name a wealth of artists, songs and sub-genres that don't contain what you are claiming.

 

[Chartic]

The problem with your analysis is that most of the genre is people doing what everyone hates, singing about the degradation of women and how great they are. I admit there are good rap artists out there but the majority aren't

Why can no one listen to what the OP is saying?

You are generalising. Generalising is what people do when they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. I can safely assume you haven't listened to most of the genre of hip hop, and perhaps you should listen to more before you make such a statement.

Perhaps I should, but from what I have listened that has been the majority of what I have heard.

Here I'll post what I posted to someone else:

Then you are listening to quite a lot of the same thing, it's a common problem.

I could say that 'rock is virtually all about death and screaming, and I've heard a lot of it'. But I would be wrong, chances are I would have been listening to one sub-genre rather than the genre in it's entirety. You have heard a lot of Gangster rap or mainstream hip hop, which doesn't really conform to just one part of genre, but does contain a lot of gangster rap within it. I can name a wealth of artists, songs and sub-genres that don't contain what you are claiming.

Could you please post some good bands. I need to increase my knowledge of rap music.

 

[USSR]

I am a fan of the OLD rap. Before rappers sang about bitches and hoes the old ones rapped about staying alive in harsh ghettos and looking out for your hoimies. I also like some metal like guns n roses and metallica as well.

I'd consider Guns 'n Roses to be more classic rock than metal.

But I agree with you also about the point about rap =3

 

[Credge]

Here I'll post what I posted to someone else:

Then you are listening to quite a lot of the same thing, it's a common problem.

I could say that 'rock is virtually all about death and screaming, and I've heard a lot of it'. But I would be wrong, chances are I would have been listening to one sub-genre rather than the genre in it's entirety. You have heard a lot of Gangster rap or mainstream hip hop, which doesn't really conform to just one part of genre, but does contain a lot of gangster rap within it. I can name a wealth of artists, songs and sub-genres that don't contain what you are claiming.

Eh, what? You're confusing genres chief. A lot of people confuse genres.

Hip-hop/=/rap just like rock/=/metal.

However, hip-hop is CLOSER to rap than rock is to metal. In fact, to get to metal you have to inject another genre in between the natural progression of things. It sort of goes like this:

Blues>Jazz>Rock>Punk>Metal

Blues>Jazz>Soul>Hip-hop>Rap

Add in a few genres to expand upon that list but that's a pretty good synopsis of modern music. It all stems from blues, but the result is pretty much different. One is the predominantly white offshoot while the other is the predominantly black offshoot.

And yes, Jazz does belong to rock in the same tree.

Anyway, your stating that the stereotype of rock is about death and screaming is like saying that soul music is about shooting people. It's such a wide generalization apart that it doesn't even make sense.

If you would have said that PUNK was about shooting people and screaming, that would be more correct.

 

[SomeUnregPunk]

currently I'm listening to a playlist of Billy Joel, ZZ Top, a whole bunch of Goa Trance (like guitars on mushrooms), Tupac Shakur and xzibit and now because of this thread I'm during a search of Ska bands that been mentioned in this thread.

in general I can say that old rock music is more about living in the present and nothing else, some new genres of rock music is consistently "emo", heavy metal and hiphop is essentially the same and techno is just the evolution of symphonies but one of those weird one man marching band guys that can create solid rhythm and go nuts with it.

but so far all I have mentioned in american rock music. Russian rock music has got some heavy heavy political lyrics. hell some russian bands seem to be mostly lyrics as compared to tunes.

But in all genres there is the MEDIA! everything from music lists to radio really can help kill originality in music. When you see a particular song hit high in the charts by pandering to the public with either heavily generalized music like guns&hoes or little lyrics and constant beat why would other artists try to make different music?