Rock music: A load of men screaming about their girlfriends

[Nickzilla]

I'll kick things off with some hip-hop I like, my favourite hip-hop artist, Immortal Technique. His songs really opened my mind up to different ways of looking at the world and the realisation that the person telling me what I have to do with my life can be trusted no more than the person living next door to me. He is also very booksmart and has led me onto read about many interesting people and events.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP1exQ8tcUc

That track was ok, but we see a little peek of what makes hip-hop obnoxious to a lot of us in Mr Technique's name.

Unless the Immortal Technique is... feng shui or something, I do believe he's bragging about how good he is and most people who like clever music don't like musicians talking about how good they are.

 

[zen5887]

Ok, the music is not for stupid people, but the music is stupid. Same easy made rhythms repeating over and over while someone sing about money is just sick. And now they are just copying them selves, singing about lolipops, umbrellas, halo, superman that ho.

Once again, you are judging an entire genre on the pop stuff.

For example - Bike for three! mixes Hip Hop and Glitch.

I know I'm not going anywhere for this so whatever..

 

[zen5887]

Why should i judge any other way if these people here are judging rock from the pop stuff?
Im reflecting back what they do and say, its just in humans nature. Maybe when they become more understanding and aware, than maybe we will start considering that they are listening to music.
People really should get they're facts right before saying something about music they know nothing about, me too, but I'm not the first one trowing the rock.
My proposition - stop listening to pop or so called mainstream music (or kill them, either way fine to me) then we will see trough the thick wall of idiocity( or how this word spells) and see whats on the other side.

Ohh wow, you didn't read the whole OP did you? The OP is saying that generalisation are not good and saying "All rap/hip-hop is is black men talking about their bitchs, hoes and money" is the same as saying "rock music is [just] men with half their face covered by hair crying about their ex girlfriend."

My response to your proposition - I listen to all music, of all genres and all levels of intelligence and complexity.

I propose to you that you relax a little.

 

[Gadzooks]

Oh my, these arguments/discussions are always so pointless because no matter what people say, arts an the artistic forms are subjective. While you can argue the validity of rap/hip hop because a couple of artists break the mold, it isn't going to change anyones mind. Some people just like simple, awful shit in their ears. Others want a well orchestrated song that took talent, but you can't change the majority of peoples mind on what is great.

For instance, I swear to god the majority of the escapist loves metal of some description... Are you serious? Sure it's ok when you are joking around or really need to amp up for something, but to be honest it's a load of noise and little music. Now, change my opinion.

 

[chronobreak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IObykt39Xsc If you're a fan of hardcore hip-hop, check me out, let me know if you like it. This is my video, I also produced the track.

Tsssk, tsssk, tsssk.

I don't know what you're getting at. Words would be helpful.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I like lots of different band but most of it is rock and metal. I do like some odd bands or atleast bands my friends have never heard of like Coheed and Cambria, Atreyu, Black Stone Cherry, Heaven Shall Burn, Scars On Broadway, Seether, Three Days Grace. I don't know about the rest of yous if you've ever listened to them but I think they have some good songs that don't get the attention they deserve although Atreyu did the main song for Underworld Evolution(song is "Her Portait In Black").

 

[Oolinthu]

Ok, the music is not for stupid people, but the music is stupid. Same easy made rhythms repeating over and over while someone sing about money is just sick. And now they are just copying them selves, singing about lolipops, umbrellas, halo, superman that ho.

Once again, you are judging an entire genre on the pop stuff.

For example - Bike for three! mixes Hip Hop and Glitch.

I know I'm not going anywhere for this so whatever..

Why should i judge any other way if these people here are judging rock from the pop stuff?
Im reflecting back what they do and say, its just in humans nature. Maybe when they become more understanding and aware, than maybe we will start considering that they are listening to music.
People really should get they're facts right before saying something about music they know nothing about, me too, but I'm not the first one trowing the rock.
My proposition - stop listening to pop or so called mainstream music (or kill them, either way fine to me) then we will see trough the thick wall of idiocity( or how this word spells) and see whats on the other side.

Either take your own advice, or work on your reading comprehension, then actually read the damn OP.

 

[Wadders]

i think you're confusing rock with country

I resent that...

Unless you're being sarcastic (its hard to tell over the internet ) I'd have to say that you're guilty of the exact same "crime" that the OP talks about. It is my pleasure to inform you that Country music doesn't just talk about girlfriends, it also focuses on prison, momma, trains, rain, trucks, and cotton.

But seriously, I think Country is a genre with a lot of merit, and one that is hammered almost as much as rap/hip-hop. Whilst I don't really listen to hip-hop, I don't deny that there are many rap artists who make decent music, who are just eclipsed by the mainstream drivel.

Same applies to Country. For every Kid Rock, there is a genuine musician, Hank Williams III for example. It may seem that I'm contradicting myself by dismissing the mainstream kind of "country" but the thing is it is made and manufactured to appeal to more people, sell more records, and is therefore diluted and has moved away from what it claims to be...

I'm not really sure what I'm tying to get at in this post to be honest, I just wanted to fly the flag for Country music, as it often falls victim to the same prejudice that Op talks about.

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

All the rap/hip-hop I've heard sound virtually the same, with the exact same lyrics thrown into a blender and all the proper English removed. Every single song has that "Fat Beat" which consists of one or two bass notes being repeated over and over again mixed in with some clapping. I don't see anything to like in the genre. And if you think all rock is about men crying about their ex-girlfriends, you haven't listened to very much of it.

ITT: minignu doesn't read the OP.

I'll have to disagree.
Rock bands nowadays scream about a lot of different things. =P

And while I'm at it, you should have mentioned the 3 B's of rapping: Bitches, Bling, and Bustin' caps.
Currently "Boats" are being considered for the 4th B.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOvaCV6uQp8

Read the OP. Infact, you don't even need to do that, look at my icon, it's Motorhead, look at my name, it's a Motorhead song, I don't hate rock music.

 

[Kyletacullar]

This whole board is kind of dumb. Every type of music, song, tune, etc. has a point, Each has it's own different and is liked by others, some for the lyrics, some for just the music. I could care less, I love all music...except country, cause it's GAY!^_^

 

[Epifols]

I do like some odd bands or atleast bands my friends have never heard of like Coheed and Cambria, Atreyu, Black Stone Cherry, Heaven Shall Burn, Scars On Broadway, Seether, Three Days Grace.

What kind of friends do you hang out with? I'd say most people know at least half of those. They even play them on the radio!

IRT Topic

A lot of people are just plain incapable to deal with the matter in a sensible way. I see pansies that hate anything that deviates from pure rock and metal, and I see the dumbwits that all they listen to is rap about bitches, drugs, and capping niggas' asses. No debating possible.

I just listen to whatever I feel like. Sometimes it's rock, sometimes it's rap, or other.

(Although the stereotype that all rock is a bunch of guy's singing about their ex-girlfriends is accurate a significant degree. It's been bothersome lately.)

 

[Soxafloppin]

No music is general.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

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While I don't disagree with your general message.. music isn't entirely as subjective as people make it out to be.

If someone cries subjective after I tell them britney spears is bad music, they are still wrong. A person can like any crap at all, I won't mind. But if they tell me their crap is better than some of the bands I highly respect, I am rather troubled.

I can see what you are saying, but what is good music and what is bad music though? Whatever you tell me will be your own subjective opinion. In a sense if you are calling their music crap, what stops yours from being crap?

Depends what they are talking about, When I say a song is good, I can mean either I like the song, or I think the song is good.

To explain further, If I happen to like a cat yowling as music, that's fine, but I must admit it didn't take much effort or musical ability to create.
Therefore Cat yowling, I like it, but it isn't a good song.
By the same token, if I dislike mozart entirely, can't stand it. I can say I don't like it, but I can respect it for it's musical quality. Good song, but I don't like it.

I usually base what I like on purely my subjective taste, but my favourite bands tend to be bands that sound good and mix in innovation and complexity (not necessarily complexity of playing, but complexity of differen't techniques or cross-genre, or dabbling in experimentation, etc. I mean a lot of things when I say complexity.

There are bands that also focus on creating minimalistic sounds as well, which can be brilliant in their own right, but that'll lead me a bit off what I am talking about so I'll leave it at that.

I see, that's a fair point then, you see it based on it's merit. But that being said, I think only a handful of songs can really be considered to be crap. I was considering saying that 'if you think their music is crap, in comparison your music is crap compared to any orchestrated piece of your choosing'.

So it's a fair point and I agree, but I think the difference between music with less artistic merit and crap probably still isn't the same thing.

And why has this turned into a 'why hip hop is crap and Rock is amazing' thread? He is trying to show you how generalisation doesn't help anyone and just makes you a knuckle-dragging tool, yet it's almost like most of you didn't even read the fucking OP.

...I'm not sure what you're getting at.[/quote]

*Sigh*...I guess not.

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

Generalisations, they don't help anything.

I've noticed there's alot of hate here for hip-hop, it really gets on my nerves when I see people saying, "All rap/hip-hop is is black men talking about their bitchs, hoes and money", yea it is, in the same way rock music is men with half their face covered by hair crying about their ex girlfriend.

People in rock sing about loads of stuff,rock is a wide range of music,for instance what you call all rock is pop rock and its a pile of crap,but you also have classic rock which is about preety much everything but im not expecting you to understand since the oldest song youve probably head is from 2005 but you also have punk rock about civil liberties and coruption and hard rock about,yet again,a large range of topics.

Learn to read... for fucks sake, if you're going to write a long winded reply atleast read the bit of the OP where I mentioned the fac I grew up listening to Guns N' Roses, Metallica, Oasis, U2 and a whole bunch of other stuff. Why would I have a Motorhead name and icon if I've never listened to anything before 2005? Are you being intentionally dull?

I've just read the rest of your post, honestly, I think you could be winner of the stupidest post of the year award.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

Generalisations, they don't help anything.

I've noticed there's alot of hate here for hip-hop, it really gets on my nerves when I see people saying, "All rap/hip-hop is is black men talking about their bitchs, hoes and money", yea it is, in the same way rock music is men with half their face covered by hair crying about their ex girlfriend.

People in rock sing about loads of stuff,rock is a wide range of music,for instance what you call all rock is pop rock and its a pile of crap,but you also have classic rock which is about preety much everything but im not expecting you to understand since the oldest song youve probably head is from 2005 but you also have punk rock about civil liberties and coruption and hard rock about,yet again,a large range of topics.

Learn to read... for fucks sake, if you're going to write a long winded reply atleast read the bit of the OP where I mentioned the fac I grew up listening to Guns N' Roses, Metallica, Oasis, U2 and a whole bunch of other stuff. Why would I have a Motorhead name and icon if I've never listened to anything before 2005? Are you being intentionally dull?

Orgasmatron, they aren't listening. I swear to god they can't be, otherwise my faith in humanity has just dropped even more. They somehow found an opportunity to ***** and generalise a genre, in a thread that is attempting to convince them to stop bitching and generalising genres.

Oh yes, the irony is striking, and actually impressive.

As for you:

While hip hop and rap,IS 90% about black people and their girlfriends who they molest and call bitches,also they sing about how they are rich,famous,have a lot of gold on them and drive fast cars,typical song is all this incorporated with the use of profanity and the word "gangster" and niggers (not black people) are far from it,a real gangster is someone from teh italian,japanese or chinese mafia,not some random social help case that wears a glock and calls everyone a ***** like in GTA san Andreas,and i also think the only rock you heard is pop rock from MTV,which is Crap,turn on a bit of eagle radio or rise against,and realise you are a very closed box person.

You're a tool, nothing much more needs to be said.

 

[Harbinger_]

in the same way rock music is men with half their face covered by hair crying about their ex girlfriend.

I'm sorry but this -^ is not a good generalization of rock music. Emo music maybe and even then there are some emo bands that aren't all about that. If you're going to do an accurate or at least close to accurate generalization then do it about country music.