Rock music: A load of men screaming about their girlfriends

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Itsmyship

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Sark said:
Generalising here but anyways. If not looked at lyrically, that is purely instrumental, hip-hop does not compare to rock. There simply isn't enough diversity in the genre.
Ah, and that is where you are mistaken, although you did say you were generalizing so I won't flame you to kingdom come. God knows you do not want me to shed my mild mannered side :p

There is indeed much diversity in Rap/Hip Hop. That is why there's that whole "East coast vs West coast" thing going on; Southern style Hip Hop is also often left out of mention. If you get an MC from say...New York and you get to another from say...Atlanta, you will get an entirely different philosophy towards the musical genre. Even some artists from the North are starting to show up on the scene, like one cat called P.O.S (who I reccommend very much, listen to "Let it Rattle"). A lot of Northern MCs even incorporate properties from Rock and Punk into their music.

Some may point out that Rap/Hip Hop still has the same bedrock formula though of rhyme, drum, and bass. Well, I can say the same for Rock can't I? Rock has the same basic instruments of guitar and drum.

In the end, all music is related. All are the illegitimate children of Blues, Gospel, and Jazz and all styles that are around today owe it all to Elvis, Chuck Berry, and James Brown.
 

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-Orgasmatron- said:
SlainPwner666 said:
It's incredibly irritating and bland, and that's why I love rap/hip hop that strays from those lines, and actually has lyrics that MAKE SENSE.
The majority is not, the first hip-hop is not, you just have not explored.

Srkkl said:
/rant
But I kinda see where your comming from but until all the black people at my school stop singing shit like 50 Cent im going to condem rap/hip-hop because that is what I know it to be and I don't have the time nor the motivation to look up anything "good" from the genre.
Fair enough, as long as you don't post about how it all sucks, when you don't know anything about it, then we're all good. I know how it is though when so many people are obsessed by bad music, so I can see where you're coming from.
That I will not do, I'm not like most retards. But I'm glad we have an understanding.
 

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NoMoreSanity said:
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NoMoreSanity said:
I know there is some good rap, it just has more crap songs and artists compared to Rock. Plus Rap just turns me off.
I'm aware of the fact that this is subjective opinion, and that it's impossible for either of us to be right, but it doesn't stop me from disagreeing and saying that you are incorrect.
Well it doesn't stop me from saying you're wrong, rap sucks, /thread

Being right is fun Especially when you say you're right without any indication of so.

<color=white>See what I did there?

Yes, yes I did. ;¬)

But like I said, subjective opinion. A bad song and good song is subjective opinion, we would get nowhere with such things. I know there is some good rock, it just has more crap songs and artists compared to Hip Hop.

See what I did there?

Because I sure didn't... :¬S
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The Eaten Cake

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Mainstream music in any genre is unlikely to push any boundaries because it has to stay within those boundaries to stay mainstream.

Also, I believe that you're basing that generalisation off the emo-ish alternative stuff that has become popular recently, like Paramore.
 

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Zamn said:
For someone who claims to be against sweeping generalisations, the sweeping generalisation that popular music is bad is a pretty bad one.

There is a definite tendency among people who see themselves as sophisticated or generally above the common masses to reject what's popular just because it is popular, and there is a lot of that kind of person around a forum like this. Of course a lot of popular music is crap, but the proportion of unpopular music that's crap is much higher.

Popularity more often than not correlates with quality for obvious reasons. The Beatles were the most popular band ever, and they were also the best and it's not an isolated incident.
That is incredibly true. I'm not ashamed to enjoy The Beatles, or Good Charlotte's first release or even Linkin Park's music (with the exception of the Jay-Z abortions that came later on).

I'd offer an observation of my own that ties into yours. It seems to be that a lot of bands lose it once they hit the national stage. It happened to Metallica (it took a while), AC/DC (I'm sorry, the new CD wasn't great), Good Charlotte (for sure), The Atari's (what happened with that second CD?!) and a multitude of other bands. It's a shame to see, but it almost seems to me that The Beatles are the exception to the "The Longer Your In The Spotlight, The Crappier Your Art Shall Become," not the rule.

//J.
 

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ChromeAlchemist said:
NoMoreSanity said:
ChromeAlchemist said:
NoMoreSanity said:
I know there is some good rap, it just has more crap songs and artists compared to Rock. Plus Rap just turns me off.
I'm aware of the fact that this is subjective opinion, and that it's impossible for either of us to be right, but it doesn't stop me from disagreeing and saying that you are incorrect.
Well it doesn't stop me from saying you're wrong, rap sucks, /thread

Being right is fun Especially when you say you're right without any indication of so.

<color=white>See what I did there?

Yes, yes I did. ;¬)

But like I said, subjective opinion. A bad song and good song is subjective opinion, we would get nowhere with such things. I know there is some good rock, it just has more crap songs and artists compared to Hip Hop.

See what I did there?

Because I sure didn't... :¬S
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While I don't disagree with your general message.. music isn't entirely as subjective as people make it out to be.

If someone cries subjective after I tell them britney spears is bad music, they are still wrong. A person can like any crap at all, I won't mind. But if they tell me their crap is better than some of the bands I highly respect, I am rather troubled.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IObykt39Xsc If you're a fan of hardcore hip-hop, check me out, let me know if you like it. This is my video, I also produced the track.
Tsssk, tsssk, tsssk.
 

Dirty Saint

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I'll have to disagree.
Rock bands nowadays scream about a lot of different things. =P

And while I'm at it, you should have mentioned the 3 B's of rapping: Bitches, Bling, and Bustin' caps.
Currently "Boats" are being considered for the 4th B.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOvaCV6uQp8
 

ChromeAlchemist

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dnnydllr said:
All the rap/hip-hop I've heard sound virtually the same, with the exact same lyrics thrown into a blender and all the proper English removed. Every single song has that "Fat Beat" which consists of one or two bass notes being repeated over and over again mixed in with some clapping. I don't see anything to like in the genre. And if you think all rock is about men crying about their ex-girlfriends, you haven't listened to very much of it.
I just bolded out what was important. You just got owned by your own post.

As for the rest...


 

ChromeAlchemist

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Arcticflame said:
While I don't disagree with your general message.. music isn't entirely as subjective as people make it out to be.

If someone cries subjective after I tell them britney spears is bad music, they are still wrong. A person can like any crap at all, I won't mind. But if they tell me their crap is better than some of the bands I highly respect, I am rather troubled.
I can see what you are saying, but what is good music and what is bad music though? Whatever you tell me will be your own subjective opinion. In a sense if you are calling their music crap, what stops yours from being crap?
 

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ChromeAlchemist said:
dnnydllr said:
All the rap/hip-hop I've heard sound virtually the same, with the exact same lyrics thrown into a blender and all the proper English removed. Every single song has that "Fat Beat" which consists of one or two bass notes being repeated over and over again mixed in with some clapping. I don't see anything to like in the genre. And if you think all rock is about men crying about their ex-girlfriends, you haven't listened to very much of it.
I just bolded out what was important. You just got owned by your own post.

As for the rest...


...I'm not sure what you're getting at.
 

Arcticflame

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ChromeAlchemist said:
Arcticflame said:
While I don't disagree with your general message.. music isn't entirely as subjective as people make it out to be.

If someone cries subjective after I tell them britney spears is bad music, they are still wrong. A person can like any crap at all, I won't mind. But if they tell me their crap is better than some of the bands I highly respect, I am rather troubled.
I can see what you are saying, but what is good music and what is bad music though? Whatever you tell me will be your own subjective opinion. In a sense if you are calling their music crap, what stops yours from being crap?
Depends what they are talking about, When I say a song is good, I can mean either I like the song, or I think the song is good.

To explain further, If I happen to like a cat yowling as music, that's fine, but I must admit it didn't take much effort or musical ability to create.
Therefore Cat yowling, I like it, but it isn't a good song.
By the same token, if I dislike mozart entirely, can't stand it. I can say I don't like it, but I can respect it for it's musical quality. Good song, but I don't like it.

I usually base what I like on purely my subjective taste, but my favourite bands tend to be bands that sound good and mix in innovation and complexity (not necessarily complexity of playing, but complexity of differen't techniques or cross-genre, or dabbling in experimentation, etc. I mean a lot of things when I say complexity.

There are bands that also focus on creating minimalistic sounds as well, which can be brilliant in their own right, but that'll lead me a bit off what I am talking about so I'll leave it at that.
 

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I agree that Guns N' Roses, Metallica and the likes were possibly the pinnacle of Rock music however I think that some modern rock bands are good as well. The recent Greenday albums have been doing well lyrics wise in my opinion trying to spread a message.
 

Itsmyship

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Really? I kind of thought Green Day's message is pretty much the same as it was like 4 years ago...as in: Down with the old people in the government, go the youth, the government doesn't understand the youth, and Americans can't point to Canada on a map.
 

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-Orgasmatron- said:
Generalisations, they don't help anything.

I've noticed there's alot of hate here for hip-hop, it really gets on my nerves when I see people saying, "All rap/hip-hop is is black men talking about their bitchs, hoes and money", yea it is, in the same way rock music is men with half their face covered by hair crying about their ex girlfriend.

Let's be honest, the majority of the albums that make it to number one these days are bought by 12 year olds who don't know what file sharing is. You may personally not pirate music, but millions do, this is proven by the fact that now number 1 takes 500,000 albums sold, when before it was a couple million. Would you really judge all music by what a 12 year old kid thinks is good?

There is so much good music out there and the majority of it doesn't see the charts, so condemming a whole genre and it's fans because 50 Cent sucks is just unfair, the majority of people in the world of hip-hop hate 50 Cent just as much as the next guy. You should look at some of the real stuff before you start spouting off about how bad whole genres are. This post goes out to hip-hop fans who hate all rock/metal aswel.

Personally, I grew up listening to stuff such as Guns N' Roses, Metallica and U2 to name but afew, then as I got older I found hip-hop. I never understood what people meant when they said "It has no meaning", as whenever I want some educated music with a message I go for hip-hop, whereas whenever I want something fun to chill out to I go for rock, the majority of the time atleast. There is some rock bands that focus on message such as System Of A down, while some hip-hop is good for relaxing to, such as Nas.

So let's not focus on hate, let's speak about what we like about our favourite genre of music and maybe post an example, so everyone can enjoy the best of all worlds.

I'll kick things off with some hip-hop I like, my favourite hip-hop artist, Immortal Technique. His songs really opened my mind up to different ways of looking at the world and the realisation that the person telling me what I have to do with my life can be trusted no more than the person living next door to me. He is also very booksmart and has led me onto read about many interesting people and events.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP1exQ8tcUc

Suppose I'll do one for rock aswel, best go for Sonic Boom Six, they're a really fun and original band who also give some social commentary, they're pretty new at the moment and really could claim some more fans if they signed to a major label, which they have chosen not to do, but check them out.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iGetOXVJGk

So, everyone, go ahead, you will not be judged.

Also, do you agree with my first paragraphs? In that people do not open their ears enough and speak about hate without really knowing what a certain genre is all about.

well, im not going to disagree, but if i have to pick between an unintelligent tool rapping about drugs and swearing every other word, or an unintelligent tool screaming about his exgirlfriend in a half coherent way that has little to no swear words ill pick the 2nd one. at least the second one is LESS unintelligent simply due to the lack of swear words.
 

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I'm not a big fan of hip hop but I don't think that all hip hop sucks. I can appreciate all genres (although some more than others). And your generalisation of rock music is spot on sir, bravo.
 

EeveeElectro

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Not all rock bands are like that, not all their songs are the same.
They write from experience. Breaking up and falling out of love is a part of life. They just prefer not to write 'my ex-***** is a ho, yo. She ain't got me no mo', yo.'