Rock music: A load of men screaming about their girlfriends

[ChromeAlchemist]

Here I'll post what I posted to someone else:

Then you are listening to quite a lot of the same thing, it's a common problem.

I could say that 'rock is virtually all about death and screaming, and I've heard a lot of it'. But I would be wrong, chances are I would have been listening to one sub-genre rather than the genre in it's entirety. You have heard a lot of Gangster rap or mainstream hip hop, which doesn't really conform to just one part of genre, but does contain a lot of gangster rap within it. I can name a wealth of artists, songs and sub-genres that don't contain what you are claiming.

Eh, what? You're confusing genres chief. A lot of people confuse genres.

Hip-hop/=/rap just like rock/=/metal.

However, hip-hop is CLOSER to rap than rock is to metal. In fact, to get to metal you have to inject another genre in between the natural progression of things. It sort of goes like this:

Blues>Jazz>Rock>Punk>Metal

Blues>Jazz>Soul>Hip-hop>Rap

Add in a few genres to expand upon that list but that's a pretty good synopsis of modern music. It all stems from blues, but the result is pretty much different. One is the predominantly white offshoot while the other is the predominantly black offshoot.

And yes, Jazz does belong to rock in the same tree.

Anyway, your stating that the stereotype of rock is about death and screaming is like saying that soul music is about shooting people. It's such a wide generalization apart that it doesn't even make sense.

If you would have said that PUNK was about shooting people and screaming, that would be more correct.

What? You're confusing yourself.

Rap is not a genre, it's a technique used within Hip Hop. I used that statement to show that one could be talking about a subgenre of an entire genre of music, because metal is a subgenre of rock. It's not closer or further from anything, it's a sub-genre of rock music.

I used that statement as an example, it wasn't supposed to be taken as fact. It was supposed to show that yes, it's such a wide generalisation that it doesn't even make sense, the whole point of this thread. You can't generalise a conglomerate genre like that.

And as for the roots of Hip Hop, you missed Disco.

 

[Crimson King]

No-no-no you've got it all (read: slightly) wrong, you're thinking of old Led Zeppelin era bluesy-rock and occasions in the purest form of punk rock (which spends its alone time bitching about the man).

True rock like Guns N Roses and AC/DC does so much more!

 

[The Ruler of Nosgoth]

I didn't read every post so I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but I think the bands/artists who break these generalizations are Green Day, System of a Down, and T.I. I cannot recall the last time Green Day wrote a song about their girlfriends. Their music is almost all about how greatly fucked America is. System of a Down is definatley one of the best metal bands out there, and their music is all political with a much deeper meaning than what shows on the surface. The only thing I need to say about T.I. is that once you listen to "Live Your Life" you'll see that at least one rapper out there has some sense. (Although he DID record that song while under house arrest for the murder of one of his friends, so..... that probably ruins my whole defense of Rap music in general, doesn't it? Well shit happens.)

 

[dazdex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKglWitqtF0 - was just listening to this song and I loves it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQA1d0QQvf8 - My favourite band at the moment and this is one of their best songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=961R3koX8kI -

 

[Nincompoop]

I have mentioned before, that the lyrics have value, but not hidden ones. Some words work better than others, as to they sound different.

I can't figure out what you're getting at here.

The voice is an instrument. And it can be played in different ways. When you sing, all the words don't sound alike. The shape of the word makes it sound different, which vowels it has, or how long the word is. Like drums, it matters how you hit the drum, and where. So the lyrics have meaning in the way, that some words may work better, as they sound better.

What do you mean? An instrumental can have a message.

Also, the message in the lyrics transforms the meaning--the message--of the instrumental.

You're actually saying, that bad lyrics can ruin the music?!

I'm sorry, but that is bullshit in my opinion. I like music, because I like the sound, I like how some tones interact with others. I don't try to find a fucking hidden message!

It's so fucking hypocritical to say you like music, but when it comes down to it, it's all about hidden meanings and messages.

Besides, hidden messages is for poetry...

 

[Iammatt]

There is some rock bands that focus on message such as System Of A down

Did you say system of a down focuses on a message?There songs make no sense at all!Vicinity of obscenity, chic n stu, VIOLENT PORNOGRAPHY!Are we listening to the same soad?

 

[gremily]

Generalisations, they don't help anything.

I've noticed there's alot of hate here for hip-hop, it really gets on my nerves when I see people saying, "All rap/hip-hop is is black men talking about their bitchs, hoes and money",

It is. METAL UP YOUR ASS!

 

[DiamondJim]

Respect.

All people need to learn is goddamn respect. If an artist has artistic talent, regardless of genre, give them the respect they deserve. I am a die hard metal fan, but I respect Eminem (or at least good portions of his work), because he puts heart into his music. But I avoid others because of the well-oiled machine that creates their music. It isn't natural to me, there's no heart. But that doesn't mean I want it to be banned.

Cash cow bands/artists aren't appealing to me, but I can understand why people buy it. They want to be entertained, and the formula is built to satisfy this. I won't argue with it, I don't have to buy it/listen to it. There's a reason I don't listen to the majority of radio stations anymore.

Some might argue that some modern music degrades women, promotes violence and furthers racial stereotypes. But back a few decades, they were saying the same thing about my favored genre, metal. They said that those songs promoted suicide, hatred, and Satan to name a few things. One can't deny that *some* of the music from these genres *do* talk about these things, but it's the listener that has to make that final choice on what is right and wrong. Don't cast out a whole genre for one mishap here and there. Some of this stuff gives people a reason to get up in the morning.

Listen to what you love, what makes your hair stand up, what gives you peace of mind or excites you to greater heights. But don't ***** at others for trying to achieve the same thing with different music. Music is music. Respect what others are portraying, whether it be for entertainment or art.

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

I have mentioned before, that the lyrics have value, but not hidden ones. Some words work better than others, as to they sound different.

I can't figure out what you're getting at here.

The voice is an instrument. And it can be played in different ways. When you sing, all the words don't sound alike. The shape of the word makes it sound different, which vowels it has, or how long the word is. Like drums, it matters how you hit the drum, and where. So the lyrics have meaning in the way, that some words may work better, as they sound better.

What do you mean? An instrumental can have a message.

Also, the message in the lyrics transforms the meaning--the message--of the instrumental.

You're actually saying, that bad lyrics can ruin the music?!

I'm sorry, but that is bullshit in my opinion. I like music, because I like the sound, I like how some tones interact with others. I don't try to find a fucking hidden message!

It's so fucking hypocritical to say you like music, but when it comes down to it, it's all about hidden meanings and messages.

Besides, hidden messages is for poetry...

If you want to make a thread talking about how much you don't care about lyrics, go ahead, but no one in this thread cares. Now you're gunna say something like "Oh but in your OP you talked about how hip-hop has meaning", you're right, I did, because the most common complaint about hip-hop is that it has no meaning, not that it doesn't have totally rocking guitar solos. If you don't care about lyrics then you should never be caught saying "Hip-hop sucks cus it's all about bitchs and hoes", which therefore means this thread should be irrelevant to you, so go make your own thread and discuss how much you don't care about lyrics.

There is some rock bands that focus on message such as System Of A down

Did you say system of a down focuses on a message?There songs make no sense at all!Vicinity of obscenity, chic n stu, VIOLENT PORNOGRAPHY!Are we listening to the same soad?

It's a violent pornography
Choking chicks and sodomy
The type of shit
You get on your TV

Message is pretty clear, turn off your TV and read a book.

Generalisations, they don't help anything.

I've noticed there's alot of hate here for hip-hop, it really gets on my nerves when I see people saying, "All rap/hip-hop is is black men talking about their bitchs, hoes and money",

It is. METAL UP YOUR ASS!

I have a big ol' goatee and hair halfway to my ass, incase you where wondering what genre of music my avatar and username are.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

The problem with your analysis is that most of the genre is people doing what everyone hates, singing about the degradation of women and how great they are. I admit there are good rap artists out there but the majority aren't

Why can no one listen to what the OP is saying?

You are generalising. Generalising is what people do when they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. I can safely assume you haven't listened to most of the genre of hip hop, and perhaps you should listen to more before you make such a statement.

Perhaps I should, but from what I have listened that has been the majority of what I have heard.

Here I'll post what I posted to someone else:

Then you are listening to quite a lot of the same thing, it's a common problem.

I could say that 'rock is virtually all about death and screaming, and I've heard a lot of it'. But I would be wrong, chances are I would have been listening to one sub-genre rather than the genre in it's entirety. You have heard a lot of Gangster rap or mainstream hip hop, which doesn't really conform to just one part of genre, but does contain a lot of gangster rap within it. I can name a wealth of artists, songs and sub-genres that don't contain what you are claiming.

Could you please post some good bands. I need to increase my knowledge of rap music.

Sure thing, there were some good ones in this thread, I'll spoiler them for convenience. This is for everyone by the way, if they are at all interested

Spoiler: Hip Hop

Spoiler: Flobots

Spoiler: The Roots ft Cody Chesnut - The Seed

Spoiler: Atmosphere

Spoiler: Canibus

Spoiler: Tupac

Spoiler: Instrumentals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O0kuoiAm2A&feature=PlayList&p=E88FA059CFC06802&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZaV-33XSHY&feature=PlayList&p=624F4B470D7F62F9&index=0&playnext=1

Spoiler: Cunninlynguists

Spoiler: Lyrics

Tonedeff]
Lights out, so peaceful, stressless
Things used to seem so restless
Forgive me please, see I need to address this
Just haven't been this breathless since I met this
Woman who lept into my life when I was reckless
Mothered my blessed kid, but was destined to exit early
Guess you can say I've been blessed with the best gifts
Reminiscing, holding her neckless in my clenched fist
Ha, it's funny how we move in sudden directions
Dedicated my life to the public's protection
Never remarried cause love's an investment
Besides, I had a baby girl to worry about
That would struggle to blend in
Now as I think, a weightlessness is interrupting my senses
A pulsing tension carries my very frame
I rise up in ascension - WAIT!
I try to escape, but I arrive at these gates
I see a figure standing guard who invites me to pray

[Chorus]
I've tried it all
At the gates of Hell
I'm going to lay
Down, down

[Tonedeff]
I walk towards the figure that's extending it's hand
I move to enter past the gates yet I'm met with it's grasp

[Deacon]
Slow down son, there's things to discuss such as family
But first, let us talk about vanity

[Tonedeff]
Vanity?? Man, you're sadly mistaken
Either that or your sanity's shaken
If you'd examine me patiently
You'd retract on your statement
I haven't sinned flagrantly, I've acted as faithfully
As any other single father
Who raised a baby girl graciously

[Deacon]
Nakedly, she was at your door after her mother's death
Ignorant to racial anger and other stress
Later had a mixed baby at her sweet sixteen
How did that fit within your picnic scene?

[Tonedeff]
Sometimes it's too late to fix these things
The pristine dream was over
Had to face the fact she split these genes with his sick seed
With skin the darkest pigment seen
And so I kicked and screamed
Until we found the peace that distance brings

[Deacon]
A mixed raced queen, that was your thoughts about her mama
Up yonder went her soul, your hate growed from ponders
On life, being less trife with a white wife
So any instance of y'alls differences it was slice-slice

[Tonedeff]
Oh my, it's not her race, my daughter's love flies blind
I couldn't take her making the same mistakes that crushed my life
I'm dumbstruck by these baseless allegations
I've saved too many lives of all creeds
For you to paint me as a racist
I've endangered my own safety to save babies from blazes
Black, white, latino, even asian on occasion

[Deacon]
But why so?

[Tonedeff]
How dare you question my motivation!

[Deacon]
No need to second guess, your only aim was to be famous
Lord knows, you've left behind scorched souls
Black children left chilling, later found burnt whole
So sadly, your glory's to come urgently
Sentenced to fight fires for eternity

Spoiler: ytCracker

Spoiler: Warez Loder

Spoiler: Guild Wars

Spoiler: Meganerd

Spoiler: Immortal Technique

Spoiler: Rass Kass

Spoiler: Lupe Fiasco

Spoiler: Old School

Spoiler: Mos Def/Talib Kweli

Spoiler: Video Games

If you liked any of that click the video again and check the channel

Other acts definitely worth checking out:

Common
Masta Ace
Charles Hamilton
Nas
Kanye West (before he turned, in my eyes, shitty, so first album, some of his second)
MF DOOM
De La Soul

And I'll have to cut it there, otherwise I would just go on and on. Hopefully that was varied enough. If you ever want to know of any others just ask.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBMbK54AWHU&feature=PlayList&p=54BD5E2138E9B2E4&index=26&playnext=5&playnext_from=PL

 

[elemenetal150]

there is so much good hip-hop it isn't even funny

Wade Waters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga92oOVEajs

Common Market
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLXfHMqvZU

Blue Scholars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHDyPvF0KL8

Binary Star
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWMFBPhd5QM

Luckyiam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh76XsxhZnU

Cage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i33jAyGH9Rk

Dilated Peoples
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxuSr9-wxr0

Atmosphere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s5wPO-QcVw

Da Grassroots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9qZ5pR2cG4

Cunninlynguist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXidi2P20Bo

and that is just off the top of the head

 

[Jenkins]

I think its safe to say that while there is alot of good mainstream stuff stuff out there. it is all about the abstract/underground music.


for example, I love the band tool, they are very deep, abstract, and all their lyrics have deep meanings.

also look up Metric. great band that is widely unknown, amazing music. the singer's voice is beautiful.

 

[Gadzooks]

Your right, Limp Bizkit is a great band.

Lies and nonsense! Anyway, I have a question for you; Did you used to be into pyrotechnics? I remember a guy who went by your name on some other forums, thought it might be you.

OT: Thank god we have Triple J in Australia, which plays only good music. That includes some rap/hiphop aswell as a lot of rock of some description. It's the shiznit.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

-snip-

I don't understand, where are the guns and hoes? I thought this was 'Rap'?

C wut I did thar?

 

[chronobreak]

I don't think this is the right place to advertise.

Ok, buddy. I have over 500 posts on this website, been here for a long time, I'm not here for advertising. Shame on me for thinking a fellow Escapist would want to hear something produced by their own community. I'll give you a tip though: when the thread is about exposing different artists, probably not the greatest idea to call someone out for doing so. I like this community, and respect valid opinions on my material, but what you've provided is an unsubstantiated claim of advert. No helpful or insightful comments, just trollin' on behalf on the decency of the community and the dignity and honor it upholds.

Basically, what I'm saying is get off my back, and if you have a legitimate comment that's relevant to my music in some way, please share. I don't like poetry, but I read stuff people post here, as do I visit links of peoples stuff like in the Artist In Thee thread. I'm invested in our community, and you should be as well.

Are you a fan of hardcore hip hop anyways? I believe that's what I said before I posted the link. Did you even watch it? I'd like to know these things, brother.

 

[Mookie_Magnus]

There are only two Hip-Hop artists that I have heard that I like: The Gorillaz, and T-Pay(i)ne.

The Gorillaz for their clever lyrics and unique style, and T-Pain because even though he uses the Auto-Tune, he can actually sing.

 

[mrpenguinismyhomeboy]

See, that's why Nirvana came along. Go Grunge!

But, even still, I do love some hip hop. Eminem, Eazy E, Dr. Dre, I love all those guys. Their pretty freaking sweet.

And You don't stop/It's 1-8-7 on the undercover cop

The OP should get that.